"Children just aren't going to know what snow is"
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
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In his book ‘The Valley of Kashmir’ (1895), Sir Walter Lawrence, a British Govt revenue official writes: “The old men of the valley declare that the climate is changing, and they are very positive that there are now no such winters as they remembered as boys. In Maharaja Gulab Singh’s time [1846-57] the snow was up to a man’s shoulders, in Maharaja Ranbir Singh’s [1857-85] time up to his knees, but now [Maharaja Partab Singh’ rule] winter passes without any fall of snow. Nearly every man who talks on the subject holds to this belief, and they all say that much less water comes into the valley than of yore. They point to the villages which once grew rice, and to old canals which are now dry, and they maintain that the mountain springs are decreasing and that the climate of Kashmir is becoming milder and more like that of the Panjab.”
And no CO2 involved, Climate, eh? Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong.
Assuming he is, what is the worst that could happen? Assuming he isn't, and we ignore the warning, what is the worst that can happen? The wrong assumption could have some serious consequences.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Assuming he is, what is the worst that could happen?
Depends on what remedies you seek.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Assuming he isn't, and we ignore the warning, what is the worst that can happen?
We continue to drag the poorest out of poverty. With improved lifestyles, the birthrates will continue to decrease. We have plenty of time in which to move energy production from fossil fuels to something practical - Thorium Reactors, possibly. (Wind and Solar have a place, but it ain't as a mainstay.) Can't expand any further, past my bedtime, except to say:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The wrong assumption could have some serious consequences.
is just not scary enough. More death and destruction required.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
Sure, the moon landings were faked, vaccination doesn't work, the world is flat and as for Schrodinger's cat.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Sure, the moon landings were faked, vaccination doesn't work, the world is flat and as for Schrodinger's cat.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
So, when a so called expert makes a prediction, that within years is repeatedly shown to be wrong, you still have confidence in that expert?
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong.
Assuming he is, what is the worst that could happen? Assuming he isn't, and we ignore the warning, what is the worst that can happen? The wrong assumption could have some serious consequences.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
You don't need to assume he is wrong, just look at the number of white winters in the UK since he made that statement. Its self evident he WAS wrong. Period. If you mean HW at large, well, te precautionary principle as it is called would have us running round like scared chickens all our lives over every single issue. If you want to live your life that way, that's your choice. Personally, I would rather decide which issues to spend our resources on.
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In his book ‘The Valley of Kashmir’ (1895), Sir Walter Lawrence, a British Govt revenue official writes: “The old men of the valley declare that the climate is changing, and they are very positive that there are now no such winters as they remembered as boys. In Maharaja Gulab Singh’s time [1846-57] the snow was up to a man’s shoulders, in Maharaja Ranbir Singh’s [1857-85] time up to his knees, but now [Maharaja Partab Singh’ rule] winter passes without any fall of snow. Nearly every man who talks on the subject holds to this belief, and they all say that much less water comes into the valley than of yore. They point to the villages which once grew rice, and to old canals which are now dry, and they maintain that the mountain springs are decreasing and that the climate of Kashmir is becoming milder and more like that of the Panjab.”
And no CO2 involved, Climate, eh? Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
Quite. The (at least northern hemisphere, or if not global,. for which there is some evidence) recovery from the little ice age has been seen. Of course, much of that change, at least half to 3/4rs, happened in the absence of meaningful CO2 increase. Even the increase in the last 100 years, 0.7 C, covers a period of relatively low CO2 production (pre war) and high CO2 production (post war, global industrialisation). Although not that post war the temperature dropped for 25 years.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
So the entire globe has the same climate?
No. I didn't say that, and I've not heard anyone else claim that either.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
And as for using Armstrong and Miller as a scientific source.
One of the videos was an Armstrong and Miller sketch. The other was from Neil deGrasse Tyson, a well-known and respected scientist.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Starting to see a pattern here perhaps?
<sarcasm>Wow, a whole seven years of local weather! That certainly refutes predictions of changes to the global climate over the course of several decades.</sarcasm>Try looking at this another way: You walk into an extremely cold room. You turn on a heater at one end of the room. Five seconds later, you check the temperature at the other end of the room, only to find that it's still very cold. Does that mean the heater isn't working? Does it mean that, if you leave the heater running for the next four hours, the average temperature of the whole room won't increase?
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
Richard Deeming wrote:
Wow, a whole seven years of local weather! That certainly refutes predictions of changes to the global climate over the course of several decades
Several as in 2 you mean since that's the period for which we lacked substantial snow fall in the UK, ie, 1985 to 2005. So why should we pay any more attention to 2 decades of mild winters in a history of centuries of snow to which it seems we have returned?
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So, when a so called expert makes a prediction, that within years is repeatedly shown to be wrong, you still have confidence in that expert?
Munchies_Matt wrote:
that within years is repeatedly shown to be wrong
The argument is similar to saying planes don't fly because they occasionally crash. Scientific knowledge does not rely on the anecdotal opinions of a few pundits.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
that within years is repeatedly shown to be wrong
The argument is similar to saying planes don't fly because they occasionally crash. Scientific knowledge does not rely on the anecdotal opinions of a few pundits.
Peter Wasser "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." - Bertrand Russell
pwasser wrote:
The argument is similar to saying planes don't fly because they occasionally crash.
As an analogy that is utterly ridiculous. Really. It doesn't even deserve an answer. Your quote pretty much says it all. GW alarmists are fools and fanatics. Dr David Viner is clearly a fool.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
You do realize that the earth has been much warmer than this in the past and we all survived right?
Sure. We can even use the knowledge from the past on what to do with mass-migrations of species, invasions of foreign predators, having a flexible way of feeding the planet, and how to protect coastal cities. It is all there, preserved in Atlantis!
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Either way, we'll go right on surviving, thank you very much!
The coming ten years, yes. ..and then there's the challenges outside of climate change - no, our long-term outlook is one of an endangered species.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
I agree that there are other challenges outside of climate change that are a bit more dire. Our beeing endangered is all to blame on a few people that are a bit... overzealous... researching things like nuclear weapons probably wasn't the most brilliant idea humanity had, considering our long history of combat and war...
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
You do realize that the earth has been much warmer than this in the past and we all survived right?
Sure. We can even use the knowledge from the past on what to do with mass-migrations of species, invasions of foreign predators, having a flexible way of feeding the planet, and how to protect coastal cities. It is all there, preserved in Atlantis!
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Either way, we'll go right on surviving, thank you very much!
The coming ten years, yes. ..and then there's the challenges outside of climate change - no, our long-term outlook is one of an endangered species.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
surviving...The coming ten years, yes
You really think this? Boy, are you in for a surprise! You need to wake up a bit. Take a look here: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/massive-tampering-with-temperatures-in-south-america/[^] You are being bullshitted. Yes, there has been some warming, but it isn't that bad and certainly isn't a danger to anyone or anything and anyone who tells you it is is lying. OK? :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
surviving...The coming ten years, yes
You really think this? Boy, are you in for a surprise! You need to wake up a bit. Take a look here: https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2015/01/20/massive-tampering-with-temperatures-in-south-america/[^] You are being bullshitted. Yes, there has been some warming, but it isn't that bad and certainly isn't a danger to anyone or anything and anyone who tells you it is is lying. OK? :)
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Assuming he is, what is the worst that could happen?
Depends on what remedies you seek.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Assuming he isn't, and we ignore the warning, what is the worst that can happen?
We continue to drag the poorest out of poverty. With improved lifestyles, the birthrates will continue to decrease. We have plenty of time in which to move energy production from fossil fuels to something practical - Thorium Reactors, possibly. (Wind and Solar have a place, but it ain't as a mainstay.) Can't expand any further, past my bedtime, except to say:
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
The wrong assumption could have some serious consequences.
is just not scary enough. More death and destruction required.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
ICT558 wrote:
Depends on what remedies you seek.
Good point; I've heard some "remedies" that would probably be worse than the original problem.
ICT558 wrote:
We continue to drag the poorest out of poverty.
Please, stop lying.
ICT558 wrote:
With improved lifestyles, the birthrates will continue to decrease.
Only increased cost of living would do that.
ICT558 wrote:
More death and destruction required.
In due time.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
I wonder if the point you are trying to get at is that he made some statements that of themselves are not particularly scientific in their language. Also his 'exceptionally' titled header in LinkedIn does have a more cheesy smell emanating from it than my... well I'd better not go there. The problem with much of science is that it deals with probabilities and uncertainties - the problem with this is that politicians and the general public are not used to seeing science in this manner. Therefore some scientists make the sort of statements, which can be quite unhelpful from a scientific point of view, that he made asserting certainty where only probability exists.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I wonder if the point you are trying to get at is that he made some statements that of themselves are not particularly scientific in their language. Also his 'exceptionally' titled header in LinkedIn does have a more cheesy smell emanating from it than my... well I'd better not go there. The problem with much of science is that it deals with probabilities and uncertainties - the problem with this is that politicians and the general public are not used to seeing science in this manner. Therefore some scientists make the sort of statements, which can be quite unhelpful from a scientific point of view, that he made asserting certainty where only probability exists.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Its the self description of 'Legend' in his CV that makes me want to puke. The problem here is that he based his views on 15 years of data, which loosely correlated with CO2, and continued that assumption to make a prediction which turned out to be utterly wrong, not just one, but many times, repeatedly, year after year. This just shows that he got it wrong, that's all. Of course he wont admit that, and neither will many here it seems.
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ICT558 wrote:
Depends on what remedies you seek.
Good point; I've heard some "remedies" that would probably be worse than the original problem.
ICT558 wrote:
We continue to drag the poorest out of poverty.
Please, stop lying.
ICT558 wrote:
With improved lifestyles, the birthrates will continue to decrease.
Only increased cost of living would do that.
ICT558 wrote:
More death and destruction required.
In due time.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Please, stop lying.
I say, steady on old chap. A fellow could take offence, don't you know. I merely take note of what various organizations, UN, etc., say. The UN claims that extreme poverty has been reduced by half during the period 1990-2014.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Only increased cost of living would do that.
Well, declining birthrates and a rising standard of living have been observed to go hand in hand. Each appears to reinforce the other. Implementing simultaneous programs for fertility reduction, healthcare and education has been the most successful action.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
In due time.
Very likely, but AGW is an unlikely cause.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Please, stop lying.
I say, steady on old chap. A fellow could take offence, don't you know. I merely take note of what various organizations, UN, etc., say. The UN claims that extreme poverty has been reduced by half during the period 1990-2014.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Only increased cost of living would do that.
Well, declining birthrates and a rising standard of living have been observed to go hand in hand. Each appears to reinforce the other. Implementing simultaneous programs for fertility reduction, healthcare and education has been the most successful action.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
In due time.
Very likely, but AGW is an unlikely cause.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
ICT558 wrote:
A fellow could take offence, don't you know.
I did, hence the reaction.
ICT558 wrote:
The UN claims that extreme poverty has been reduced
Given the correct definitions they could even prove that.
ICT558 wrote:
Each appears to reinforce the other.
Appears, yes. Evolution says "no".
ICT558 wrote:
Implementing simultaneous programs for fertility reduction, healthcare and education has been the most successful action.
It is just not feasible on a global scale.
ICT558 wrote:
Very likely, but AGW is an unlikely cause.
That would be a nice epitaph. "It wasn't AGW, was it?"
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
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ICT558 wrote:
A fellow could take offence, don't you know.
I did, hence the reaction.
ICT558 wrote:
The UN claims that extreme poverty has been reduced
Given the correct definitions they could even prove that.
ICT558 wrote:
Each appears to reinforce the other.
Appears, yes. Evolution says "no".
ICT558 wrote:
Implementing simultaneous programs for fertility reduction, healthcare and education has been the most successful action.
It is just not feasible on a global scale.
ICT558 wrote:
Very likely, but AGW is an unlikely cause.
That would be a nice epitaph. "It wasn't AGW, was it?"
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^]
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
I did, hence the reaction.
You found "We continue to drag the poorest out of poverty" personally offensive? How say?
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Given the correct definitions they could even prove that.
Well, regardless of any UN figures, there has been an obvious improvement in living standards throughout the world during my lifetime.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Appears, yes.
'Appears' as in "correlation is not necessarily causation".
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Evolution says "no".
Evidence says "yes". Hence: "declining birthrates and a rising standard of living have been observed to go hand in hand." Note: observed.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
It is just not feasible on a global scale.
And yet, it is. Outside of Africa and Afghanistan, birthrates are at 2-3 children, or fewer. In countries without insurgency or war, healthcare has improved. Only primary education is nowhere near meeting the UN's targets. Were the world to set aside 1.5% of their military budgets (or the US were to spend only $600 Bn on theirs) and add that to their current contributions, the primary education target could also be reached.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
That would be a nice epitaph.
But pointless.
All that is necessary for Evil to succeed is for Good Folks to keep voting for their Party. - Cornelius Thirp
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Said Dr David Viner, a senior research scientist at the climatic research unit (CRU) of the University of East Anglia within a few years winter snowfall will become "a very rare and exciting event". "Children just aren't going to know what snow is," he said [^] A Doctorate scientist, an expert in climatology, working at the very core of the latest and most modern research into the climate and weather, gets it completely, utterly, 100% wrong. Whiteout Britain: Amazing aerial pictures show blanket of snow covering the UK - and there's still more to come [^] Look at the morons CV: https://uk.linkedin.com/pub/david-viner/30/766/14a[^] he still takes himself seriously! :laugh: :laugh:
