[WAR] Some questions...
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Someone wrote yesterday: The world is a much safer place if every country has at least one nuclear weapon! Well, I disagree. I think the world would be a much safer place if _every_ country would learn to respect the value of life and if the politicans wouldn't just care about their and their countries benefit (no matter the cost). That includes Saddam as well as George. Things that make me feel sad are that politicans don't learn from other senseless and brutal wars in the past. And not even 'civilized' western countries learn from it. Every reasonable person should say that WW1, WW2, Vietnam and so on are more than enough. But it doesn't seem like that. Why are so many people in U.S. OK with a war? What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? You can talk to every person you want - nobody is afraid - and we're so much closer. Could it be that it is this _new_ american climate of fear? The movie Bowling for columbine was a good example for that. We don't understand your thoughts here in europe. Why do you have this climate of fear? Why is it so extreme? My girlfriend is from the US and she's in europe since some months. She has no fear of Saddam, but every time when she's calling her parents in the US they are so afraid. She doesn't understand it - and I also don't. Another question: americans are more religious than europeans and all my american friends are more religious than I am. I could never want a person to be killed - and also not in a war. I could never arrange that with myself and religion. Why can so many americans do that, even if they are more religious? I asked my american friends... but I didn't get an answer. That makes me sad. Christian p.s. A last comment: American TV Stations like CNN, NBC and so on are broadcasting crap all the time. What a propaganda machine. Is it that why americans are so afraid? Is it that why so many normal americans change their mind about war on iraq these days? To the 'american news design group': Good work. You are successful. p.s. If anyone feels offended: I'm sorry, I only wanted to ask some things. And I can't get those things into my head.
... don't exist. In fact Sadman can only barely muster together some missiles that can do 500miles*, hardly world threatening (though pity the countries within 500miles of Iraq at time like this. e.g. Israel.) Americans fear that Sadman has gathered together nuclear and biological "substances" which he will give to terrorists who will then sneak into the States. Also that if he is left unchecked that eventually he will muster technology that he can directly threaten the US with. Maybe Europeans have learnt something from WWI and WWII and that is why they are so against this war? * I may have that figure wrong. Until yesterday I thought his most ranged missiles only did 180miles and those were the ones that were being destroyed. But then someone yesterday here mentioned some of his SCUDs which do 500miles.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
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Sigh... Try spending some time and read what people have been saying for the LAST THREE MONTHS. All of your questions have been answered again and again by politicians AND the public. Have you just had your head in the sand for all this time? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
I disagree, the specifics he has asked for I certainly don't recall heaing answered here, more the rolling of eyes and dumb looks.
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
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Thank you, New York - March 20 Protest Against the War in Iraq: http://www.heise.de/tp/english/inhalt/co/14441/1.html
Surely there is a better way than these protest marches? What do they achieve? Have they ever in the past changed the minds of anyone in power? The classic thing is how so many of these pro-peace protests resort to violent or demeaning slogans. The I Shaved My Bush jokes are funny but only close the minds of pro-war people even more. Also of course we hear about these "massive" rallies and then realise they are 10k people out of a population of 260 million. How many of the rest of that population are just too lazy to get up and march and how many are not marching because they are pro-war?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
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Someone wrote yesterday: The world is a much safer place if every country has at least one nuclear weapon! Well, I disagree. I think the world would be a much safer place if _every_ country would learn to respect the value of life and if the politicans wouldn't just care about their and their countries benefit (no matter the cost). That includes Saddam as well as George. Things that make me feel sad are that politicans don't learn from other senseless and brutal wars in the past. And not even 'civilized' western countries learn from it. Every reasonable person should say that WW1, WW2, Vietnam and so on are more than enough. But it doesn't seem like that. Why are so many people in U.S. OK with a war? What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? You can talk to every person you want - nobody is afraid - and we're so much closer. Could it be that it is this _new_ american climate of fear? The movie Bowling for columbine was a good example for that. We don't understand your thoughts here in europe. Why do you have this climate of fear? Why is it so extreme? My girlfriend is from the US and she's in europe since some months. She has no fear of Saddam, but every time when she's calling her parents in the US they are so afraid. She doesn't understand it - and I also don't. Another question: americans are more religious than europeans and all my american friends are more religious than I am. I could never want a person to be killed - and also not in a war. I could never arrange that with myself and religion. Why can so many americans do that, even if they are more religious? I asked my american friends... but I didn't get an answer. That makes me sad. Christian p.s. A last comment: American TV Stations like CNN, NBC and so on are broadcasting crap all the time. What a propaganda machine. Is it that why americans are so afraid? Is it that why so many normal americans change their mind about war on iraq these days? To the 'american news design group': Good work. You are successful. p.s. If anyone feels offended: I'm sorry, I only wanted to ask some things. And I can't get those things into my head.
Christian, Honest questions that if would be asked more often of each other we likely would not get into as many of these situations. In general the big problem is very little is truly black and white. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Well, I disagree. I think all disagree, including the poster if you read his later comments. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: I think the world would be a much safer place if _every_ country would learn to respect the value of life and if the politicans wouldn't just care about their and their countries benefit (no matter the cost). That includes Saddam as well as George. Unfortunately I think this expectation is unrealistic. Human nature usually wants to blame the other guy. This leads to voting for those who support blaming the other guy too. Add to this to many humans are perfectly willing to do terible things to any one for their own power trip (Stalin, Hitler, ...) Christian Ballerstaller wrote: What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Here is where we in the US do have a conflict amongst ourselves. I personally do not fear Iraqi attacks and I do not think most do. The mixing of our war on terror and our other issues with Iraq confused the issue and I feel was in error. Those that do fear an attack assisted by weapons from Iraq do not have adequate proof (IMO). Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. If given to terrorist anything as simple as a container ship can be used if you are patient and do not care who you kill. So the capability is there, now are you going to not sleep over that in fear. Myself, not for right now. The military usage of precisions weapons is so only those you want to kill are the target with as few others as possible vs as many as possible. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? Just an answer but maybe it is because you are not being blamed for most of the worlds problems, like many in the US feel they are being blamed, and are then targets. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Another question: americans are more religious than europeans and all my american friends are more religious than I am. Now why US are more religious is a long debate. My take (I am into genea
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Surely there is a better way than these protest marches? What do they achieve? Have they ever in the past changed the minds of anyone in power? The classic thing is how so many of these pro-peace protests resort to violent or demeaning slogans. The I Shaved My Bush jokes are funny but only close the minds of pro-war people even more. Also of course we hear about these "massive" rallies and then realise they are 10k people out of a population of 260 million. How many of the rest of that population are just too lazy to get up and march and how many are not marching because they are pro-war?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Paul Watson wrote: I Shaved My Bush Cute, but I'd just have said "I Shaved My T***" and be done with it. That way Blair is included too... :rolleyes: Paul Watson wrote: How many of the rest of that population are just too lazy to get up and march and how many are not marching because they are pro-war? How many out of that population are too lazy to vote inteligently (i.e. not voting "x" merely because their friends, family, or favourite TV presenter do), or to even vote at all? They should be removed from the equation.
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
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Surely there is a better way than these protest marches? What do they achieve? Have they ever in the past changed the minds of anyone in power? The classic thing is how so many of these pro-peace protests resort to violent or demeaning slogans. The I Shaved My Bush jokes are funny but only close the minds of pro-war people even more. Also of course we hear about these "massive" rallies and then realise they are 10k people out of a population of 260 million. How many of the rest of that population are just too lazy to get up and march and how many are not marching because they are pro-war?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Paul Watson wrote: Surely there is a better way than these protest marches? What do they achieve? Have they ever in the past changed the minds of anyone in power? Agree, And on the other side how much reporting was done on the protest march by Iraqi immigrants in Dallas (Thats In Texas USA) a few weeks ago to support the US to doing something now to save their friends and families. ""
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Christian, Honest questions that if would be asked more often of each other we likely would not get into as many of these situations. In general the big problem is very little is truly black and white. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Well, I disagree. I think all disagree, including the poster if you read his later comments. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: I think the world would be a much safer place if _every_ country would learn to respect the value of life and if the politicans wouldn't just care about their and their countries benefit (no matter the cost). That includes Saddam as well as George. Unfortunately I think this expectation is unrealistic. Human nature usually wants to blame the other guy. This leads to voting for those who support blaming the other guy too. Add to this to many humans are perfectly willing to do terible things to any one for their own power trip (Stalin, Hitler, ...) Christian Ballerstaller wrote: What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Here is where we in the US do have a conflict amongst ourselves. I personally do not fear Iraqi attacks and I do not think most do. The mixing of our war on terror and our other issues with Iraq confused the issue and I feel was in error. Those that do fear an attack assisted by weapons from Iraq do not have adequate proof (IMO). Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. If given to terrorist anything as simple as a container ship can be used if you are patient and do not care who you kill. So the capability is there, now are you going to not sleep over that in fear. Myself, not for right now. The military usage of precisions weapons is so only those you want to kill are the target with as few others as possible vs as many as possible. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? Just an answer but maybe it is because you are not being blamed for most of the worlds problems, like many in the US feel they are being blamed, and are then targets. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Another question: americans are more religious than europeans and all my american friends are more religious than I am. Now why US are more religious is a long debate. My take (I am into genea
I don't agree with all of that, but you certainly get my five for being well said.
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
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Someone wrote yesterday: The world is a much safer place if every country has at least one nuclear weapon! Well, I disagree. I think the world would be a much safer place if _every_ country would learn to respect the value of life and if the politicans wouldn't just care about their and their countries benefit (no matter the cost). That includes Saddam as well as George. Things that make me feel sad are that politicans don't learn from other senseless and brutal wars in the past. And not even 'civilized' western countries learn from it. Every reasonable person should say that WW1, WW2, Vietnam and so on are more than enough. But it doesn't seem like that. Why are so many people in U.S. OK with a war? What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? You can talk to every person you want - nobody is afraid - and we're so much closer. Could it be that it is this _new_ american climate of fear? The movie Bowling for columbine was a good example for that. We don't understand your thoughts here in europe. Why do you have this climate of fear? Why is it so extreme? My girlfriend is from the US and she's in europe since some months. She has no fear of Saddam, but every time when she's calling her parents in the US they are so afraid. She doesn't understand it - and I also don't. Another question: americans are more religious than europeans and all my american friends are more religious than I am. I could never want a person to be killed - and also not in a war. I could never arrange that with myself and religion. Why can so many americans do that, even if they are more religious? I asked my american friends... but I didn't get an answer. That makes me sad. Christian p.s. A last comment: American TV Stations like CNN, NBC and so on are broadcasting crap all the time. What a propaganda machine. Is it that why americans are so afraid? Is it that why so many normal americans change their mind about war on iraq these days? To the 'american news design group': Good work. You are successful. p.s. If anyone feels offended: I'm sorry, I only wanted to ask some things. And I can't get those things into my head.
I'm an American in complete sympathy with your views, Christian. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Why are so many people in U.S. OK with a war? It's wierd, for sure. Americans rarely think for ourselves, and generally swallow whatever is fed to us. Another part of it is that we have a lot of aggressive, pissed-off people in this country who are looking for an outlet for their anger. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Why do you have this climate of fear? Why is it so extreme? This too is a result of media manipulation.. though I don't really know if this is conscious or not. Essentially, the media will zoom in on, and overly promote, anything that is the least bit sensational. So we tend to see small things as very large: child kidnappings, small acts of terrorism, etc. And then when something moderately important like 9/11 happens, it gets blown way out of propoportion. And a final thing: War has not been "real" to the American public in over a century. The last war fought on American soil was the Civil War* in 1865 (I'm purposely discounting the Indian Wars, for a reason). We have no idea what it's like to have a foreign army march in and destroy our homes, railways, farms, etc. It's simply impossible for us to imagine. *Note to those who would place WWII in this category because of Pearl Harbor: Nonsense. Hawaii was not part of the US at the time, and that attack was a single strike against a distant military outpost, not a suatained campaign in the US.
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Someone wrote yesterday: The world is a much safer place if every country has at least one nuclear weapon! Well, I disagree. I think the world would be a much safer place if _every_ country would learn to respect the value of life and if the politicans wouldn't just care about their and their countries benefit (no matter the cost). That includes Saddam as well as George. Things that make me feel sad are that politicans don't learn from other senseless and brutal wars in the past. And not even 'civilized' western countries learn from it. Every reasonable person should say that WW1, WW2, Vietnam and so on are more than enough. But it doesn't seem like that. Why are so many people in U.S. OK with a war? What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? You can talk to every person you want - nobody is afraid - and we're so much closer. Could it be that it is this _new_ american climate of fear? The movie Bowling for columbine was a good example for that. We don't understand your thoughts here in europe. Why do you have this climate of fear? Why is it so extreme? My girlfriend is from the US and she's in europe since some months. She has no fear of Saddam, but every time when she's calling her parents in the US they are so afraid. She doesn't understand it - and I also don't. Another question: americans are more religious than europeans and all my american friends are more religious than I am. I could never want a person to be killed - and also not in a war. I could never arrange that with myself and religion. Why can so many americans do that, even if they are more religious? I asked my american friends... but I didn't get an answer. That makes me sad. Christian p.s. A last comment: American TV Stations like CNN, NBC and so on are broadcasting crap all the time. What a propaganda machine. Is it that why americans are so afraid? Is it that why so many normal americans change their mind about war on iraq these days? To the 'american news design group': Good work. You are successful. p.s. If anyone feels offended: I'm sorry, I only wanted to ask some things. And I can't get those things into my head.
Christian Ballerstaller wrote: What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. It's not the long-distyance bombers, it's the possibility of a nuke ending up in a soda machine somewhere. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? You can talk to every person you want - nobody is afraid - and we're so much closer. The problem is that many people underestimate the intelligence and capabilities of Saddam's republican guard. The general view in europe is that Saddam has been opressed from technology and isn't capable of anything devastating. What people don't know is the Iraqi's deepest secrets. Believe me, if a country doesn't want people to know something, it will remain classified. Just because Iraq and most of the Arab world is in the middle of the desert does not mean there is no access to technology for those with money. But then again, from your sentiments it seems ignorance truly is bliss. - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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... don't exist. In fact Sadman can only barely muster together some missiles that can do 500miles*, hardly world threatening (though pity the countries within 500miles of Iraq at time like this. e.g. Israel.) Americans fear that Sadman has gathered together nuclear and biological "substances" which he will give to terrorists who will then sneak into the States. Also that if he is left unchecked that eventually he will muster technology that he can directly threaten the US with. Maybe Europeans have learnt something from WWI and WWII and that is why they are so against this war? * I may have that figure wrong. Until yesterday I thought his most ranged missiles only did 180miles and those were the ones that were being destroyed. But then someone yesterday here mentioned some of his SCUDs which do 500miles.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
someone yesterday here mentioned some of his SCUDs which do 500miles Someone with "war fever", you mean. Even the US Government said 2 days ago there were no scuds fired. It was a mistake by an overexcited reporter (one amony many). Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin
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... don't exist. In fact Sadman can only barely muster together some missiles that can do 500miles*, hardly world threatening (though pity the countries within 500miles of Iraq at time like this. e.g. Israel.) Americans fear that Sadman has gathered together nuclear and biological "substances" which he will give to terrorists who will then sneak into the States. Also that if he is left unchecked that eventually he will muster technology that he can directly threaten the US with. Maybe Europeans have learnt something from WWI and WWII and that is why they are so against this war? * I may have that figure wrong. Until yesterday I thought his most ranged missiles only did 180miles and those were the ones that were being destroyed. But then someone yesterday here mentioned some of his SCUDs which do 500miles.
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Yes, i know that. But if this is a legimitation (suspecting a country to have biological weapons) - than goodbye world. Then US could make war to every other country. Uhm... and another thing: Why can one country decide which countries are allowed to have those weapons and which not? World police? I know what american politicans say. I just want to know what the people are saying - especially to that fact. Paul Watson wrote: Maybe Europeans have learnt something from WWI and WWII and that is why they are so against this war? Yes, it's like that. We always remember what there was 60 years ago. But not only we should remember it - everyone should.
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Sigh... Try spending some time and read what people have been saying for the LAST THREE MONTHS. All of your questions have been answered again and again by politicians AND the public. Have you just had your head in the sand for all this time? Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.
Nobody has asked the fundamental question he asked, Tim, which is: Why do Americans live in a climate of fear? Why do we allow our fears to be blown out of proportion? This is not just in relation to Iraq and Hussein.. but everything.
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I don't agree with all of that, but you certainly get my five for being well said.
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
David Wulff wrote: I don't agree with all of that, but you certainly get my five for being well said. Thanks, I should have said my observations vs my views. It is some mixture of what I feel and what I percive those around me feel. ""
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Christian Ballerstaller wrote: What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. It's not the long-distyance bombers, it's the possibility of a nuke ending up in a soda machine somewhere. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? You can talk to every person you want - nobody is afraid - and we're so much closer. The problem is that many people underestimate the intelligence and capabilities of Saddam's republican guard. The general view in europe is that Saddam has been opressed from technology and isn't capable of anything devastating. What people don't know is the Iraqi's deepest secrets. Believe me, if a country doesn't want people to know something, it will remain classified. Just because Iraq and most of the Arab world is in the middle of the desert does not mean there is no access to technology for those with money. But then again, from your sentiments it seems ignorance truly is bliss. - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
Nitron wrote: The general view in europe is that Saddam has been opressed from technology and isn't capable of anything devastating What makes you draw that conclusion? :confused:
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
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Nitron wrote: The general view in europe is that Saddam has been opressed from technology and isn't capable of anything devastating What makes you draw that conclusion? :confused:
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
Because 19 out of 20 people or so from there believe Saddam is no threat and has no technology. (The above poster being 1, and I'm sure you can scroll through the messages and check the demographics to pick up the other 18. I may be stereotyping, but it's a stereotype based on observation. Although I could be wrong... - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
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Because 19 out of 20 people or so from there believe Saddam is no threat and has no technology. (The above poster being 1, and I'm sure you can scroll through the messages and check the demographics to pick up the other 18. I may be stereotyping, but it's a stereotype based on observation. Although I could be wrong... - Nitron
"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb
Could be wrong? Yes you are. Things are not as black and white as you see.
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
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Surely there is a better way than these protest marches? What do they achieve? Have they ever in the past changed the minds of anyone in power? The classic thing is how so many of these pro-peace protests resort to violent or demeaning slogans. The I Shaved My Bush jokes are funny but only close the minds of pro-war people even more. Also of course we hear about these "massive" rallies and then realise they are 10k people out of a population of 260 million. How many of the rest of that population are just too lazy to get up and march and how many are not marching because they are pro-war?
Paul Watson
Bluegrass
Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.
Paul Watson wrote: The classic thing is how so many of these pro-peace protests resort to violent or demeaning slogans. Or violence in general. This irony should not be lost on anyone. Paul Watson wrote: Also of course we hear about these "massive" rallies and then realise they are 10k people out of a population of 260 million. How many of the rest of that population are just too lazy to get up and march and how many are not marching because they are pro-war? Another excellent point. Another thing I've noticed is that some of the "protestors" seem to be more interested in smiling, waving and mugging for the camera than anything else. I question their true motivations and the depth of their convictions. Mike Mullikin :beer:
"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson
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Could be wrong? Yes you are. Things are not as black and white as you see.
David Wulff
"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]
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Christian, Honest questions that if would be asked more often of each other we likely would not get into as many of these situations. In general the big problem is very little is truly black and white. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Well, I disagree. I think all disagree, including the poster if you read his later comments. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: I think the world would be a much safer place if _every_ country would learn to respect the value of life and if the politicans wouldn't just care about their and their countries benefit (no matter the cost). That includes Saddam as well as George. Unfortunately I think this expectation is unrealistic. Human nature usually wants to blame the other guy. This leads to voting for those who support blaming the other guy too. Add to this to many humans are perfectly willing to do terible things to any one for their own power trip (Stalin, Hitler, ...) Christian Ballerstaller wrote: What I don't understand is: why are americans afraid of Iraqi attacks? Here is where we in the US do have a conflict amongst ourselves. I personally do not fear Iraqi attacks and I do not think most do. The mixing of our war on terror and our other issues with Iraq confused the issue and I feel was in error. Those that do fear an attack assisted by weapons from Iraq do not have adequate proof (IMO). Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Could they really have some long-distance bombers to fly over to U.S. and attack them? I don't believe it. If given to terrorist anything as simple as a container ship can be used if you are patient and do not care who you kill. So the capability is there, now are you going to not sleep over that in fear. Myself, not for right now. The military usage of precisions weapons is so only those you want to kill are the target with as few others as possible vs as many as possible. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? Just an answer but maybe it is because you are not being blamed for most of the worlds problems, like many in the US feel they are being blamed, and are then targets. Christian Ballerstaller wrote: Another question: americans are more religious than europeans and all my american friends are more religious than I am. Now why US are more religious is a long debate. My take (I am into genea
Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Christian Ballerstaller wrote: And - also interesting: why is nobody afraid here in europe? Just an answer but maybe it is because you are not being blamed for most of the worlds problems, like many in the US feel they are being blamed, and are then targets. Yes, Michael. I completely agree. But where does it come from that US is blamed for the world problems? Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Christian Ballerstaller wrote: We don't understand your thoughts here in europe. Why do you have this climate of fear? Why is it so extreme? Well from my side I do not see this climate of fear or extremism either. So it looks like your news sources are not really any better or objective than mine. Hmm. My sources are the people in the states and here. And in general the americans have more fear. Fear about criminals (why does US have the highest murder rate?), fear about their future and job (US is one of the richest countries - but there's nearly no social system compared to europe) and fear about other countries. Example Iraq: Do you really think, Saddam would have been so stupid and attacked US? Why should he? He knows that he doesn't have a chance. And he knows that no one in the world would have tried to stop US striking back. So... this is why I wouldn't have fear if I would be an US citizen. Michael A. Barnhart wrote: Christian Ballerstaller wrote: p.s. A last comment: American TV Stations like CNN, NBC and so on are broadcasting crap all the time. Correct, They are in business to sell their ratings, Just like tabloid news papers through out the world. If you want any decent news you have to go to the radio news (some of which is public stations more like the BBC is.) or other purchased papers. Can you tell me a newspaper that has decent news? Thanks for your explanations :) Chris
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Paul Watson wrote: The classic thing is how so many of these pro-peace protests resort to violent or demeaning slogans. Or violence in general. This irony should not be lost on anyone. Paul Watson wrote: Also of course we hear about these "massive" rallies and then realise they are 10k people out of a population of 260 million. How many of the rest of that population are just too lazy to get up and march and how many are not marching because they are pro-war? Another excellent point. Another thing I've noticed is that some of the "protestors" seem to be more interested in smiling, waving and mugging for the camera than anything else. I question their true motivations and the depth of their convictions. Mike Mullikin :beer:
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That is quite a common thing here in South Africa. You get tens of thousands of protesting blacks and 90% of them are toy toying (a kind of protest dance, lots of clapping, stamping of feet, dancing around, smiles.) When interviewed they are all pumped up and happy, smiling away. It is very strange for us European kin to see (we like our angry, violent, dour marches.) Mike Mullikin wrote: Or violence in general. This irony should not be lost on anyone. Like the anti-globalisation nuts often peace activists are their own worst enemies.
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Cape Town, South AfricaMacbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.