Mars Two
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For the sake of this discussion assume that space travel and space habitats have advanced quite a bit further than they actually have to date and that mankind has had a small-ish (100 - 200 inhabitants) colony on Mars for the last 10 years. Things are not perfectly safe and the life is not easy but babies are being born there with all the right number of appendages / organs and the colony is almost completely self sustaining. There is a planned expansion to boost the colony's population to 5000+ in the next couple years. 1. Are you interested? Why or why not? 2. How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
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Mars doesn't have an ozone layer, as a matter of fact it doesn't have an atmosphere to begin with, it also doesn't have a magnetic field, which means all the high energy radiation from the sun will kill any organic life very quickly. The only chance they would have is to live deep underground in some caves. So technically it would not be on Mars, but underground Mars.
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For the sake of this discussion assume that space travel and space habitats have advanced quite a bit further than they actually have to date and that mankind has had a small-ish (100 - 200 inhabitants) colony on Mars for the last 10 years. Things are not perfectly safe and the life is not easy but babies are being born there with all the right number of appendages / organs and the colony is almost completely self sustaining. There is a planned expansion to boost the colony's population to 5000+ in the next couple years. 1. Are you interested? Why or why not? 2. How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
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1. No. When two people are present, you have three opinions. I do NOT want to imagine the politics involved there... things are bad enough already. Think "Lord of the Flies", but on a different planet. 2. Until there is an economical benefit from sending people to Mars, not likely to happen in my lifetime.
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Everything we see, hear, feel, and do is either an integral part of or highly influenced by the lump of assorted rocks we live on. Even the gravity of the Earth and the Moon affect the way we think, by introducing stresses that are countered in our bodies by hormones -- so the effects of the environment we interact with more brutally are naturally more brutal. Do I want to know what changes standing on another planet will make to me, both physically and psychologically? You're joking, right? Where do I sign? Just give me the piece of paper to sign. I can be ready to leave in, oh, about three seconds.
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Yeah, that is my opinion as well. I'm too old and decrepit (heavy on the decrepit) to be considered even if it were a reality today, but I'd be willing in a heartbeat. As for the eventuality... I suspect we're still a century or more away.
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For the sake of this discussion assume that space travel and space habitats have advanced quite a bit further than they actually have to date and that mankind has had a small-ish (100 - 200 inhabitants) colony on Mars for the last 10 years. Things are not perfectly safe and the life is not easy but babies are being born there with all the right number of appendages / organs and the colony is almost completely self sustaining. There is a planned expansion to boost the colony's population to 5000+ in the next couple years. 1. Are you interested? Why or why not? 2. How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Are you interested? Why or why not?
No, because even 5000 less people on earth will make this planet a nicer (albeit very slightly nicer) place. :) Besides that, I could never imagine wanting to live in tiny enclosed dwellings, never feel the sun on my face, the wind in my hair, the spring of warm grass on my feet, the gentle wooshing sound of the ocean, the cardinal that visits in the morning outside my window. Heck, send all the people to Mars, I'll stay here.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
200-300 years, barring any major wars or environmental disasters. Send three guys, one of which has to stay in orbit, to the moon was an amazing technical feat. Having several people live on the space station where we have to haul up thousands of pounds of supplies every month is also an amazing technical feat. But we have yet to demonstrate we can have a sustainable group of people in LEO, or the moon, before venturing something like Mars. There's still a huge number of problems to solve, including how to make one's own shit taste like bacon. Heck, we have yet to demonstrate that the population of human beings on the earth is sustainable. Marc
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Are you interested? Why or why not?
No, because even 5000 less people on earth will make this planet a nicer (albeit very slightly nicer) place. :) Besides that, I could never imagine wanting to live in tiny enclosed dwellings, never feel the sun on my face, the wind in my hair, the spring of warm grass on my feet, the gentle wooshing sound of the ocean, the cardinal that visits in the morning outside my window. Heck, send all the people to Mars, I'll stay here.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
200-300 years, barring any major wars or environmental disasters. Send three guys, one of which has to stay in orbit, to the moon was an amazing technical feat. Having several people live on the space station where we have to haul up thousands of pounds of supplies every month is also an amazing technical feat. But we have yet to demonstrate we can have a sustainable group of people in LEO, or the moon, before venturing something like Mars. There's still a huge number of problems to solve, including how to make one's own shit taste like bacon. Heck, we have yet to demonstrate that the population of human beings on the earth is sustainable. Marc
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Are you interested? Why or why not?
No, because even 5000 less people on earth will make this planet a nicer (albeit very slightly nicer) place. :) Besides that, I could never imagine wanting to live in tiny enclosed dwellings, never feel the sun on my face, the wind in my hair, the spring of warm grass on my feet, the gentle wooshing sound of the ocean, the cardinal that visits in the morning outside my window. Heck, send all the people to Mars, I'll stay here.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
200-300 years, barring any major wars or environmental disasters. Send three guys, one of which has to stay in orbit, to the moon was an amazing technical feat. Having several people live on the space station where we have to haul up thousands of pounds of supplies every month is also an amazing technical feat. But we have yet to demonstrate we can have a sustainable group of people in LEO, or the moon, before venturing something like Mars. There's still a huge number of problems to solve, including how to make one's own shit taste like bacon. Heck, we have yet to demonstrate that the population of human beings on the earth is sustainable. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
never feel the sun on my face, the wind in my hair, the spring of warm grass on my feet, the gentle wooshing sound of the ocean, the cardinal that visits in the morning outside my window.
Queue in some late 60's folk music now. :)
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Heck, we have yet to demonstrate that the population of human beings on the earth is sustainable.
;P How many more millenniums will it take to convince you? ;P
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
How many more millenniums will it take to convince you?
Well, let's see: Every person has adequate nutrition. Given that 50% of the children on the planet don't, let's say 100 years. Every person gets an education. Another 100 years. Population growth levels off (and not by war, famine, disease, disaster, etc): Probably 500 years Species / Forest / Ocean destruction stops. Hmmm....let's say 250 years, because nature will probably remove most of us cockroaches by then as most ecosystems completely collapse. So, at least 5 millenium. :) Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
never feel the sun on my face, the wind in my hair, the spring of warm grass on my feet, the gentle wooshing sound of the ocean, the cardinal that visits in the morning outside my window.
Queue in some late 60's folk music now. :)
Slacker007 wrote:
Queue in some late 60's folk music now
Aye, I forgot to mention a midnight moonlit skinnydip with a beautiful woman. :-D Marc
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Slacker007 wrote:
Queue in some late 60's folk music now
Aye, I forgot to mention a midnight moonlit skinnydip with a beautiful woman. :-D Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
midnight moonlit skinnydip with a beautiful woman.
Now queue in some 70's adult film music. :-D Ok, I will stop here before my replies get way out of control. :cool:
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
How many more millenniums will it take to convince you?
Well, let's see: Every person has adequate nutrition. Given that 50% of the children on the planet don't, let's say 100 years. Every person gets an education. Another 100 years. Population growth levels off (and not by war, famine, disease, disaster, etc): Probably 500 years Species / Forest / Ocean destruction stops. Hmmm....let's say 250 years, because nature will probably remove most of us cockroaches by then as most ecosystems completely collapse. So, at least 5 millenium. :) Marc
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For the sake of this discussion assume that space travel and space habitats have advanced quite a bit further than they actually have to date and that mankind has had a small-ish (100 - 200 inhabitants) colony on Mars for the last 10 years. Things are not perfectly safe and the life is not easy but babies are being born there with all the right number of appendages / organs and the colony is almost completely self sustaining. There is a planned expansion to boost the colony's population to 5000+ in the next couple years. 1. Are you interested? Why or why not? 2. How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
1. Are you interested? Why or why not?
Not, I don't like flying. Or more precise, not being on this planet. I have been with this planet for as long as I can remember. It is not something you just walk away from.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
2. How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
I don't think we'll make it that far as a species, but do hope some Apes eventually will.
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Mars doesn't have an ozone layer, as a matter of fact it doesn't have an atmosphere to begin with, it also doesn't have a magnetic field, which means all the high energy radiation from the sun will kill any organic life very quickly. The only chance they would have is to live deep underground in some caves. So technically it would not be on Mars, but underground Mars.
Kamen Nik wrote:
as a matter of fact it doesn't have an atmosphere to begin with
Oh, really[^]? ;P
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Are you interested? Why or why not?
No, because even 5000 less people on earth will make this planet a nicer (albeit very slightly nicer) place. :) Besides that, I could never imagine wanting to live in tiny enclosed dwellings, never feel the sun on my face, the wind in my hair, the spring of warm grass on my feet, the gentle wooshing sound of the ocean, the cardinal that visits in the morning outside my window. Heck, send all the people to Mars, I'll stay here.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
200-300 years, barring any major wars or environmental disasters. Send three guys, one of which has to stay in orbit, to the moon was an amazing technical feat. Having several people live on the space station where we have to haul up thousands of pounds of supplies every month is also an amazing technical feat. But we have yet to demonstrate we can have a sustainable group of people in LEO, or the moon, before venturing something like Mars. There's still a huge number of problems to solve, including how to make one's own shit taste like bacon. Heck, we have yet to demonstrate that the population of human beings on the earth is sustainable. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
the cardinal that visits in the morning outside my window.
Hope it's not this Cardinal[^]. :)
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This is just impossibruuuuu :confused: 1 guy 199 ladys -> 199 babies per 9 months \ 2 years => 529,34 babies Hell, they gonna need a lot o milk! :suss:
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HobbyProggy wrote:
Hell, they gonna need a lot o milk
199 Ladies. What's the problem?
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For the sake of this discussion assume that space travel and space habitats have advanced quite a bit further than they actually have to date and that mankind has had a small-ish (100 - 200 inhabitants) colony on Mars for the last 10 years. Things are not perfectly safe and the life is not easy but babies are being born there with all the right number of appendages / organs and the colony is almost completely self sustaining. There is a planned expansion to boost the colony's population to 5000+ in the next couple years. 1. Are you interested? Why or why not? 2. How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
Mars is only 38% the gravity on Earth. If your bathroom scales read 100 Kg on Earth (mine used to ...a long, long time ago in a far off galaxy.. but I digress), it would only read 38 Kg on Mars. It may be possible to create artificial wings and fly using human muscle power only - I would go in a heartbeat. Plus, being on the heavy side myself, everything would be more comfortable, walking, sleeping, sitting, flying!!!!! yeah!
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For the sake of this discussion assume that space travel and space habitats have advanced quite a bit further than they actually have to date and that mankind has had a small-ish (100 - 200 inhabitants) colony on Mars for the last 10 years. Things are not perfectly safe and the life is not easy but babies are being born there with all the right number of appendages / organs and the colony is almost completely self sustaining. There is a planned expansion to boost the colony's population to 5000+ in the next couple years. 1. Are you interested? Why or why not? 2. How long (if ever) do you think it will take in reality for this scenario to become true?
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
1. Pesonally, i na heartbeat - except I have a wife and child - so I need to think of them too. I couldn't leave The Boy(TM) behind - but I'd need to know much more before I contemplated taking him! Mrs. Maxxx would probably buy me the ticket :) (that's a joke, dear, in case you read this!) 2. > 100 years
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Kamen Nik wrote:
as a matter of fact it doesn't have an atmosphere to begin with
Oh, really[^]? ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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"The atmospheric pressure on the Martian surface averages 600 pascals (0.087 psi), about 0.6% of Earth's mean sea level pressure"
Exactly my point: "it has a very thin atmosphere" is not the same thing as "it doesn't have an atmosphere". ;P
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
