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David Wulff

JoeSox wrote: Well, if the kid his hitting his little sister, there must be hidden issues some where. From two to eight and eleven to fourteen most children enter stages of willingly causing disruption for attention, (usually from those they are affecting rather than others) -- its a power trip in part, and a way to get your own way. Older than that and they use drugs, and in that period aged nine and ten they are more interested in making friends How many times have you seen the following scenario in a shop somewhere? A kid, which will indefinitely be female, is whining “mummy, mummy can I have it please”; the mother says “no, you had one last week”; to which the child attempts to draw attention to itself (throwing a tantrum, crying, hitting the parent or a sibling, etc). Don’t think for a moment the child doesn’t understand fully what they are doing. The parent has three choices: (a) they can give in to the child’s demands, which produces spoilt brats and failed parents, (b) they can ignore the child’s demands and either carry on shopping or leave the store, which causes them immense stress and makes other people judge them as bad parents, or (c) they can smack the turd across the back of the legs and firmly repeat their decision: “no”. . How many times have you, aged about eleven, got into an argument with your parent(s), stormed off to your room in a sulk, and then proceeded to tell yourself, audibly, that either “that’s not fair I didn’t do anything” or “why don’t they believe me, sob sob, I hate them, sob sob”. That is good and should be encouraged in children. Smacking (which is not hitting, punching, or any other form of abuse for all you misinformed smacking haters out there) is a very effective method of instant child control that whilst it will never remove the undesired behaviour will contain it a good deal, and helps to reduce the likelihood of the child deliberately being disruptive to aid their demands. So many parents who have difficulty raising their children follow this absurd new-age system whereby you are not allowed to physically discipline your child at any cost because it makes them hate you, instead you must deal with the consequences yourself and then sit down and talk to them. Rubbish! You tell the lovely ‘little bundle of joy’ to stop, and if it doesn’t you smack the little bastard until it obeys you. That doesn't stop the urchin loving you -- and besides the law says you still have to feed it. (here ends common sense child deve

JoeSox

David Wulff wrote: Smacking (which is not hitting, punching, or any other form of abuse for all you misinformed smacking haters out there) is a very effective method of instant child control Yes it works but you are teaching your child it is ok to smack others. What works is fear and threats. What is wrong with threatening to take away there XBox or there favorite possessions? This is also a proven method for discipline. I would rather take a non-violent approach any day. Smacking is violence any way you look at it. any way got to go visit my 16 month old :jig: talk soon:-D, Later,
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David Wulff

JoeSox wrote: Yes it works but you are teaching your child it is ok to smack others. Absolute rubbish! I don't know anyone personally who was not smacked as a child, myself included, and not one of them is at all or has been at all violent. Don't go believing that "you are teaching your child it is ok to smack others" rhetoric because it simply isn't true. JoeSox wrote: Smacking is violence any way you look at it. Smacking works so well because it relies on the love present between the smacker and the smackee* and the fact the child knows both what they ahve done wrong and that they are about to be smacked. Love is a very powerful connection that can stretch to extraordinary limits and not be scathed: love holds partners to their abusive wives and husbands, and sexually abused children to their parents, and all without faltering for a second. If you have ever been smacked then you will know that it is not violence, it doesn't hurt, it doesn't leave any bruising, and it doesn't do any damage. It is exactly the same as being caned or getting the sliper at school in the good old days. It is *not* however the same as getting whiped with a belt; that is an extreme and very serious case of power abuse. * have I just invent a new word? :~ JoeSox wrote: What works is fear and threats Your example of taking away a treasured possession doesn't work, (I hope it was an example and your 16 month old doesn't have an XBox, lol), and to me is very grey-area borderline child abuse. Making your child fear your actions is a big step towards making them fear you, and that leads to violent and extreme disruptive behaviour (the kind of child who picks fights with teachers or rips up text books and smashes windows). Ask yourself the cliche "would you want what you do to them done to you?" As a five year old would it make you stop or would it make you throw a tantrum? Remember children can grow up hating their parents for not disciplining them, and end up blaming all of life's problems on their upbringing. Children have the "attention seeking" aspect of their behaviour built into them by design. Have you ever seen the Simpsons episode where they show Ned's parents? That was a very clever episode showing the disasterous effects of innefective child displine on the one person you are suposedly trying to help. There is an ad on British television from the NSPCC (National Society for the P

Christian Graus

Wow Mike, you're usually fairly opinioned (I mean that in a nice way). If it was me, I would have gone over there and told them that they were a good argument for people being neutered at birth, in a process that is reversible, and will be reversed after certain criteria are met. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

JoeSox wrote: Yes it works but you are teaching your child it is ok to smack others. Bollocks. JoeSox wrote: What works is fear and threats. And this teaches them.... ??? JoeSox wrote: I would rather take a non-violent approach any day. Smacking is violence any way you look at it. You've been brainwashed. Sorry. You're saying that a controlled smack is wrong, but psychological warfare is OK ? How old must a child be to understand this ? What do you do for discipline before then ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Nish Nishant

CG You forgot that Mike lives in the USA :-) Nish p.s. Paul has joined the exclusive 10K club, check his CP profile page where I have congratulated him for it

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Christian Graus

David Wulff wrote: Smacking works so well because it relies on the love present between the smacker and the smackee* and the fact the child knows both what they ahve done wrong and that they are about to be smacked. PLEASE have children, David. Or adopt some. I mean it, you have it together in a major way, sadly more so than most people who breed nowadays. David Wulff wrote: Remember children can grow up hating their parents for not disciplining them, and end up blaming all of life's problems on their upbringing. You've met my sister then ? :P David Wulff wrote: Very blunt, very brutal, and very very clever. I wonder how much child abuse stems from parents NOT disciplining their kids, the kids never learn appropriate behaviour, and misbehave until the parent can't take any more. It's the parents fault for a. not teaching their kids consistently, and b. taking out anger on the child. Disipline must be controlled, and it must be consistent. You let your kids whine their way into candy at the checkout once, they will whine every other time they are at the checkout, because you taught them to. Being a parent is not just about having a bundle of joy in the house, it's about taking responsibility for teaching them how to turn into adults who are able to exist within the framework of our society. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

Nishant S wrote: You forgot that Mike lives in the USA I'm not sure how you mean ? Nishant S wrote: Paul has joined the exclusive 10K club There's three of us with no life now ? :P Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: Wow Mike, you're usually fairly opinioned (I mean that in a nice way). :) I've actually mellowed over the last few years. Really!! Christian Graus wrote: If it was me, I would have gone over there and told them that they were a good argument for people being neutered at birth... I thought about it. I was so stunned when the little girl almost got hit by the car that I froze. As they were driving away, I regretted my silence. On a side note: Even after finishing our lunch (15 minutes) and talking about it on the drive home (25 minutes), I was so ticked off I had to tell someone else. My wife was off with my son somewhere, so the CP Soapbox was my first thought. :-O Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

David Wulff

Christian Graus wrote: PLEASE have children, David. Or adopt some. I mean it. Sorry, no can do, at least not unless I find a partner who wants to adopt, and even then I'd need to think very carefully about it. I'm about to become an uncle, twice, so I can judge firsthand if I could stick the little blighters for twenty five whole years till they bugger off and live on their own. Till then I'll stick with armchair parenting! :-D Christian Graus wrote: You've met my sister then ? Her and her hundreds of likenesses. :rolleyes: Christian Graus wrote: Being a parent is not just about having a bundle of joy in the house, it's about taking responsibility for teaching them how to turn into adults who are able to exist within the framework of our society. :five:

David Wulff

"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]

Nish Nishant

Christian Graus wrote: I'm not sure how you mean ? I meant the parents (who got verbally assaulted) would see to it that he (Mike) ended up in jail. Nish

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Lost User

Nishant S wrote: You forgot that Mike lives in the USA Christian Graus wrote: I'm not sure how you mean ? I assumed he meant I'd probably get sued for interfering with their "rights" as parents or something... He's probably right. :suss: However, I would have won after calling the other 20-30 witnesses!! ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

Christian Graus

Yes, that seems possible. Wow - the US is screwed, isn't it ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

Yes, that seems to be what he meant. There are movements to arrest anyone who physically disciplines their child here, is that the case in the US ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: There are movements to arrest anyone who physically disciplines their child here, is that the case in the US ? Yes. There have been cases where a parent swats a child's butt in public and have lost temporary custody. :wtf: They've had to go to court and attend parenting classes and such to get the kid back. It's getting out of hand. If someone truly abuses a child I'll be the first one to scream for justice but a firm swat to the backside can be a crucial disciplinary tool. Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

Christian Graus

Wow - this is BAD news for the USA. A generation of parents who is taught not to discipline their children. What sort of society will those children create ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

David Wulff

Christian Graus wrote: Wow - this is BAD news for the USA. A generation of parents who is taught not to discipline their children. What sort of society will those children create ? I would so like to make the obvious comment here by just rearanging your own words, but it is late and I'm recovering from that damned nosebleed you gave me, so I'll pass this time. :rolleyes:

David Wulff

"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]

Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: What sort of society will those children create ? It truly worries me. So many of these folks ignore their kids as well. They have kids by accident or because they think they're supposed to and the kids become a nuisance to them. X| IMHO another big issue is both parents working. Especially during early childhood. So many American families send kids off to daycare from the time the kid is only a couple months old. The kids can get mixed signals about what is right and wrong when two distinct sets of people are raising them. I don't think this is purely an American phenomenon, I wonder if others see it in their corner of the world? Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

Nitron

Christian Graus wrote: they were a good argument for people being neutered at birth, in a process that is reversible, and will be reversed after certain criteria are met. I'm pushing for the same sort of thing for people to be allowed to use ATM or credit cards at the grocery store. :rolleyes: - Nitron

"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

brianwelsch

This makes me think of a friend mine's theory of what's wrong in the world. "There are too few ass kickings today" The idea being that misbehaviour of any fashion in adults and children is all too often overlooked. Good parents disclipine their children to behaviour properly. Likewise, a swift beating to set these unfortunate jack-asses back to acceptable behaviour would do wonders for their attitude. Stories like this make me think he might be on to something. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security