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Nish Nishant

CG You forgot that Mike lives in the USA :-) Nish p.s. Paul has joined the exclusive 10K club, check his CP profile page where I have congratulated him for it

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Christian Graus

David Wulff wrote: Smacking works so well because it relies on the love present between the smacker and the smackee* and the fact the child knows both what they ahve done wrong and that they are about to be smacked. PLEASE have children, David. Or adopt some. I mean it, you have it together in a major way, sadly more so than most people who breed nowadays. David Wulff wrote: Remember children can grow up hating their parents for not disciplining them, and end up blaming all of life's problems on their upbringing. You've met my sister then ? :P David Wulff wrote: Very blunt, very brutal, and very very clever. I wonder how much child abuse stems from parents NOT disciplining their kids, the kids never learn appropriate behaviour, and misbehave until the parent can't take any more. It's the parents fault for a. not teaching their kids consistently, and b. taking out anger on the child. Disipline must be controlled, and it must be consistent. You let your kids whine their way into candy at the checkout once, they will whine every other time they are at the checkout, because you taught them to. Being a parent is not just about having a bundle of joy in the house, it's about taking responsibility for teaching them how to turn into adults who are able to exist within the framework of our society. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

Nishant S wrote: You forgot that Mike lives in the USA I'm not sure how you mean ? Nishant S wrote: Paul has joined the exclusive 10K club There's three of us with no life now ? :P Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: Wow Mike, you're usually fairly opinioned (I mean that in a nice way). :) I've actually mellowed over the last few years. Really!! Christian Graus wrote: If it was me, I would have gone over there and told them that they were a good argument for people being neutered at birth... I thought about it. I was so stunned when the little girl almost got hit by the car that I froze. As they were driving away, I regretted my silence. On a side note: Even after finishing our lunch (15 minutes) and talking about it on the drive home (25 minutes), I was so ticked off I had to tell someone else. My wife was off with my son somewhere, so the CP Soapbox was my first thought. :-O Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

David Wulff

Christian Graus wrote: PLEASE have children, David. Or adopt some. I mean it. Sorry, no can do, at least not unless I find a partner who wants to adopt, and even then I'd need to think very carefully about it. I'm about to become an uncle, twice, so I can judge firsthand if I could stick the little blighters for twenty five whole years till they bugger off and live on their own. Till then I'll stick with armchair parenting! :-D Christian Graus wrote: You've met my sister then ? Her and her hundreds of likenesses. :rolleyes: Christian Graus wrote: Being a parent is not just about having a bundle of joy in the house, it's about taking responsibility for teaching them how to turn into adults who are able to exist within the framework of our society. :five:

David Wulff

"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]

Nish Nishant

Christian Graus wrote: I'm not sure how you mean ? I meant the parents (who got verbally assaulted) would see to it that he (Mike) ended up in jail. Nish

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Lost User

Nishant S wrote: You forgot that Mike lives in the USA Christian Graus wrote: I'm not sure how you mean ? I assumed he meant I'd probably get sued for interfering with their "rights" as parents or something... He's probably right. :suss: However, I would have won after calling the other 20-30 witnesses!! ;P Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

Christian Graus

Yes, that seems possible. Wow - the US is screwed, isn't it ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

Yes, that seems to be what he meant. There are movements to arrest anyone who physically disciplines their child here, is that the case in the US ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: There are movements to arrest anyone who physically disciplines their child here, is that the case in the US ? Yes. There have been cases where a parent swats a child's butt in public and have lost temporary custody. :wtf: They've had to go to court and attend parenting classes and such to get the kid back. It's getting out of hand. If someone truly abuses a child I'll be the first one to scream for justice but a firm swat to the backside can be a crucial disciplinary tool. Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

Christian Graus

Wow - this is BAD news for the USA. A generation of parents who is taught not to discipline their children. What sort of society will those children create ? Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

David Wulff

Christian Graus wrote: Wow - this is BAD news for the USA. A generation of parents who is taught not to discipline their children. What sort of society will those children create ? I would so like to make the obvious comment here by just rearanging your own words, but it is late and I'm recovering from that damned nosebleed you gave me, so I'll pass this time. :rolleyes:

David Wulff

"Somebody get this freakin' duck away from me!" - Strong Bad [^]

Lost User

Christian Graus wrote: What sort of society will those children create ? It truly worries me. So many of these folks ignore their kids as well. They have kids by accident or because they think they're supposed to and the kids become a nuisance to them. X| IMHO another big issue is both parents working. Especially during early childhood. So many American families send kids off to daycare from the time the kid is only a couple months old. The kids can get mixed signals about what is right and wrong when two distinct sets of people are raising them. I don't think this is purely an American phenomenon, I wonder if others see it in their corner of the world? Mike Mullikin :beer:

"I'm not calling you a liar but....I can't think of a way to finish that sentence." - Bart Simpson

Nitron

Christian Graus wrote: they were a good argument for people being neutered at birth, in a process that is reversible, and will be reversed after certain criteria are met. I'm pushing for the same sort of thing for people to be allowed to use ATM or credit cards at the grocery store. :rolleyes: - Nitron

"Those that say a task is impossible shouldn't interrupt the ones who are doing it." - Chinese Proverb

brianwelsch

This makes me think of a friend mine's theory of what's wrong in the world. "There are too few ass kickings today" The idea being that misbehaviour of any fashion in adults and children is all too often overlooked. Good parents disclipine their children to behaviour properly. Likewise, a swift beating to set these unfortunate jack-asses back to acceptable behaviour would do wonders for their attitude. Stories like this make me think he might be on to something. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

JoeSox

Christian Graus wrote: Bollocks. so it teaches them it is not ok to smack? Do as I say and not as I do:rolleyes: Christian Graus wrote: And this teaches them.... ??? Consequences for their behavior. I don't mean yelling in there face or anything like that, more like "since you don't seem to understand why hitting your sister is bad I will take your XBox away for a week" (or grounding them inside the house etc. etc.) This is of course after when explaining things to them isn't working. Please keep in mind, and what I think David is forgetting too, but maybe I am wrong, this thread started out speaking about older kids not young ones,so that is my approach in the conversation.:-D:-D Later,
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Roger Wright

Christian Graus wrote: Wow - the US is screwed, isn't it ? It has been for a long time, ever since the liberals started running things their way... Can't interfere with the inept, now can we, nor risk damaging the little hellions' psyches with a little discipline. When I was a kid and doing my best to be a typical unruly little boy, I got smacked when I deserved it, if not by my parents then by the neighbors or a teacher. It didn't teach me that smacking people is okay - I've never struck another person in my life - nor did it damage me in any way. It taught me that there are limits on acceptable behavior, and that my actions all have consequences. In the US, consequences are things other people are expected to bear, as I can't be held accountable for the things I do or which happen to me. There are laws, after all, that guarantee me my right to a risk-free existence... Yeah, right... Ancient man conquered his rivals with the jawbone of an ass; modern man uses the jawbone of a politician.

Christian Graus

JoeSox wrote: so it teaches them it is not ok to smack? Do as I say and not as I do No, not at all. They understand quite well that it's a parents job to teach them what is right, and a smack is the consequence of knowing right and doing wrong. I'd never smack my kids for something they did not know what to do, unless I needed to in order to control them. JoeSox wrote: more like "since you don't seem to understand why hitting your sister is bad I will take your XBox away for a week" (or grounding them inside the house etc. etc.) So how is this any different to a smack ? You're excercising power over them, the only difference is that you're teaching them to hold a grudge and I am not. JoeSox wrote: This is of course after when explaining things to them isn't working. How do you go explaining stuff to a 2 or 3 year old ? Seriously, I'd like to know. JoeSox wrote: this thread started out speaking about older kids not young ones,so that is my approach in the conversation. How old ? If you're still smacking your 10 year old, you've lost the war. The real point is that phyiscal discipline actually *works* and so it's really not that long before the behaviour is controlled, and so you can just be a happy family where the kids ( mostly ) do what you'd like them to. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

Christian Graus

It's getting the same way here, we have a culture of no blame./ Nothing is anyone's fault anymore. Christian NO MATTER HOW MUCH BIG IS THE WORD SIZE ,THE DATA MUCT BE TRANSPORTED INTO THE CPU. - Vinod Sharma Anonymous wrote: OK. I read a c++ book. Or...a bit of it anyway. I'm sick of that evil looking console window. I think you are a good candidate for Visual Basic. - Nemanja Trifunovic

JoeSox

Christian Graus wrote: So how is this any different to a smack ? One is violent, the other is not. Both are manipulative. I rather would take the no violent route. Christian Graus wrote: You're exercising power over them, the only difference is that you're teaching them to hold a grudge and I am not. I remember being smacked by my grandfather, and I held a grudge against him for a couple of days, I kind of still do even today, kind of, I didn't like what he did. So I don't think your argument is a good one.:-O:-D Later,
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