How memory is allocated in .Net application
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thanks for the answer but still few lines are not very clear. can u plzz explain it more elaborately in easy way. you said not clear "As you put something on the stack the pointer goes up, you take something off it goes down. If you have, say, an int (10), a string ("ab") and an int (20) on the stack; Stack add 0 - 10 Stack add 1 - a Stack add 2 - b Stack add 3 - 20 Stack add 4 - < stack pointer points here, put something else on and this is where it goes and then wanted to change the string from "ab" to "abc"...where do you store the "c"? There is no space as your second int is on top of it so to increase the string from "ab" to "abc" would require reordering everything above it. So you can only put things on the stack that don't change in size. An int is always going to be 32 bits for example (depending on os and hardware). 2) you said but not clear "Of course value types can end up on the heap too due to things already mentioned, due to boxing, static variables etc,"
tbhattacharjee
The heap is just a big section of memory that you can allocate if you need, it's a free-for-all where objects are placed wherever there is space. A stack in a small, pre-allocated piece of memory that you use in a specific way. Imagine a stack of plates. Each time you want to store something you place it on the top of the stack of plates. On top of the existing plates is the only place a new plate can go. To take plates off, you can only take off the top plate. Think of this code
function A()
{
int x = 1;
Person p = new Person();
B();
int y = 2;
}function B()
{
int x = 100;
}When "A" is run, 1 is put on the stack for x Stack address: value at that address 0: 1 (x) 1: 0 3: 0 4: 0 5: 0 6: 0 7: 0 8: 0 9: 0 A new "Person" is created so a memory allocation request is made and the OS gives you memory address 10,000, so your Person data is stored at memory address 10,000 on the heap. "p" is actually the number 10,000, ie the place on the heap the Person can be found, so p goes on the stack 0: 1 (x) 1: 10,000 (p) 3: 0 4: 0 5: 0 6: 0 7: 0 8: 0 9: 0 The code has to call "B", however it needs to know where to come back to after B, so the address in memory of the current line of code is stored on the stack. Let's say that is address 1234 0: 1 (x) 1: 10,000 (p) 3: 1234 (ref to code in function A) 4: 0 5: 0 6: 0 7: 0 8: 0 9: 0 Now stack slots 0, 1 and 3 belong to function "A" and we start running code in "B". "B" defines x as 100 so that goes on the stack. 0: 1 (x) 1: 10,000 (p) 3: 1234 (ref to code in function A) 4: 100 (x) 5: 0 6: 0 7: 0 8: 0 9: 0 So stack spots 0-3 belong to A and 4 belongs to B. B is done so we de-allocate everything it put on the stack 0: 1 (x) 1: 10,000 (p) 3: 1234 (ref to code in function A) 4: 0 5: 0 6: 0 7: 0 8: 0 9: 0 To work out where to go back to we read the top-most value of the stack (1234) and resume executing the code at that address. As we have read the value off the stack we also remove it 0: 1 (x) 1: 10,000 (p) 3: 0 4: 0 5: 0 6: 0 7: 0 8: 0 9: 0 This will take us back to the "int y = 2" line in A. Note that not only are we back in the code for A right where we left off, but all of A's variables are on the stack for us to access. So define y = 2 0: 1 (x) 1: 10,000 (p) 3: 2 (y) 4: 0 5: 0 6: 0 7: 0 8: 0 9: 0 A finishes so all of its variables are taken from the stack, and as "p" was a reference, the object at that reference is dispo
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thanks for the answer but still few lines are not very clear. can u plzz explain it more elaborately in easy way. you said not clear "As you put something on the stack the pointer goes up, you take something off it goes down. If you have, say, an int (10), a string ("ab") and an int (20) on the stack; Stack add 0 - 10 Stack add 1 - a Stack add 2 - b Stack add 3 - 20 Stack add 4 - < stack pointer points here, put something else on and this is where it goes and then wanted to change the string from "ab" to "abc"...where do you store the "c"? There is no space as your second int is on top of it so to increase the string from "ab" to "abc" would require reordering everything above it. So you can only put things on the stack that don't change in size. An int is always going to be 32 bits for example (depending on os and hardware). 2) you said but not clear "Of course value types can end up on the heap too due to things already mentioned, due to boxing, static variables etc,"
tbhattacharjee
Go back and read OriginalGriff's post agian.
Tridip Bhattacharjee wrote:
a string ("ab")
A String[^] is not a value type, so it does not go on the stack. You really need to go and study some reference guides. Asking questions here is not a good way to learn the internal structure or implementation of a programming language.
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Tridip Bhattacharjee wrote:
is there any book which i can download its pdf version
Do not ask that here again! Most (if not all) PDF copies of books are in violation of copyright: and we do not support that in any way, shape, or form. Bear in mind that nearly all of the 11 million member here are in the business of getting paid to write something it is very easy to copy and download and you might see part of why! You will not get links to anything illegal or immoral here. And if you ask again, there is a good chance you may be banned from the site...permanently. There are several different type of heap in .NET - and it really does get complicated. Seriously, find a book - and buy it - it will be able to go into such things in a lot more detail than we can here.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
OriginalGriff wrote:
Most (if not all) PDF copies of books are in violation of copyright:
Eh? There are most definitely books one can download in pdf format for free which do not violate copyright. Given the sum total of all books ever in print then one might suppose that pdfs of all of those, percentage wise, would be violating copyrights. However books published in the past 20 years, either popular ones or those with a low sell rate can be found for free, legally, or for sale, again legally, at various places. All in pdf format. And this includes programming. One might hypothesize that most, percentage wise, of the good books on programming would in fact require a payment. But would be downloadable. And if one expands the definition the percentage is going to go up when one considers content from e-books.
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Go back and read OriginalGriff's post agian.
Tridip Bhattacharjee wrote:
a string ("ab")
A String[^] is not a value type, so it does not go on the stack. You really need to go and study some reference guides. Asking questions here is not a good way to learn the internal structure or implementation of a programming language.
ok i will try to find out right book for memory management. just tell me i have this code String s="Hello"; when the above line execute then what will happen? where the value "Hello" will be stored? in stack or heap? and where the memory location for "s" will be stored? thanks
tbhattacharjee
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OriginalGriff wrote:
Most (if not all) PDF copies of books are in violation of copyright:
Eh? There are most definitely books one can download in pdf format for free which do not violate copyright. Given the sum total of all books ever in print then one might suppose that pdfs of all of those, percentage wise, would be violating copyrights. However books published in the past 20 years, either popular ones or those with a low sell rate can be found for free, legally, or for sale, again legally, at various places. All in pdf format. And this includes programming. One might hypothesize that most, percentage wise, of the good books on programming would in fact require a payment. But would be downloadable. And if one expands the definition the percentage is going to go up when one considers content from e-books.
just tell me a books name which discuss in details how memory is allocated when we run our program. thanks
tbhattacharjee
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ok i will try to find out right book for memory management. just tell me i have this code String s="Hello"; when the above line execute then what will happen? where the value "Hello" will be stored? in stack or heap? and where the memory location for "s" will be stored? thanks
tbhattacharjee
Did you actually read the explanation that OriginalGriff posted, or the previous message that I wrote? A
stringis not a value type so its data will be stored on the heap. Its reference pointerswill be on the stack. If you want a simple explanation then read Charles Petzold's excellent .NET Book Zero[^]. -
Did you actually read the explanation that OriginalGriff posted, or the previous message that I wrote? A
stringis not a value type so its data will be stored on the heap. Its reference pointerswill be on the stack. If you want a simple explanation then read Charles Petzold's excellent .NET Book Zero[^].i saw the index of this book .NET Book Zero but unfortunately i have not seen any memory management(heap and stack) related chapter there. are you sure that this books will discuss about memory management(heap and stack)? need suggestion.
tbhattacharjee
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There's a legal PDF Book linked here: http://www.codeproject.com/Messages/4977275/free-introductory-book-on-Csharp-programming-from.aspx[^] I don't know if it covers memory management but it probably contains other useful stuff.
Tridip Bhattacharjee wrote:
share knowledge if you know what is high frequency heap?
The CLR (Common Language Runtime) uses the high frequency heap to store frequently used data required to run a .Net program, e.g. method tables. It's nothing that's particularly important to know for writing a .Net application.
thanks for your time and explanation. would you mind to discuss briefly what is high frequency heap and how it is different than a normal heap? i hard the static class related info stored in high frequency heap but not sure is it true or not. why static class related info stored in heap? looking for your guidance.
tbhattacharjee
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ok i will try to find out right book for memory management. just tell me i have this code String s="Hello"; when the above line execute then what will happen? where the value "Hello" will be stored? in stack or heap? and where the memory location for "s" will be stored? thanks
tbhattacharjee
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thanks for your time and explanation. would you mind to discuss briefly what is high frequency heap and how it is different than a normal heap? i hard the static class related info stored in high frequency heap but not sure is it true or not. why static class related info stored in heap? looking for your guidance.
tbhattacharjee
Seriously, we aren't here to do your thinking and research for you. I take it you have an interview soon. You cannot possibly cram in enough to bluff your way through based on random questions. You have been posting questions here long enough to have figured out that you need to learn the basics first. Richard has given you a great book to get started with. Beyond this, if you need to know things like the high frequency heap, then you need to learn how to use google and apply some critical thinking. Learning is your responsibility.
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just tell me a books name which discuss in details how memory is allocated when we run our program. thanks
tbhattacharjee
Have a search through the MSDN magazine back issues. They have a lot of great information there.
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Have a search through the MSDN magazine back issues. They have a lot of great information there.
if possible give me some good link from MSDN magazine which relevant for my question.
tbhattacharjee
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I'm not going to answer your questions - but not because I'm nasty: because the questions are wrong! :laugh: The distinctions between stack and heap isn't as simple as you might think: and a variable in C# probably isn't what you think it is either - which is at the root of the "wrongness" of your questions. So: what is a variable? Simply put, a variable in a method is always allocated on the stack - but it's content may or may not be on the stack, depending on what type of data the variable refers to. If it's a
ValueType, then the variable is allocated enough space to hold the whole value: andintis aValueType, and so is aPoint. These are always the same size: you cannot extend the size of a ValueType in any way. If it's a reference type, then the variable always holds a reference to the actual data, rather than the data itself, and again the variable is a fixed size - only this time it is always either 32 bits or 64 bits depending on the environment your code is executing in. String is a reference type, so is any array. And that's important: because all reference values are allocated on the Heap: never, ever on the stack.int i = 6;
Integers are
ValueTypes, so "i" is on the stack, and is the value of the integer - in this case 6.Button b = new Button();
Button is a reference type, so the actual data for the new instance is stored on the heap - but "b" is the variable and it is located on the stack, and contains a reference to the actual instance. But...that doesn't mean that all ValueType instances are on the stack - they aren't: they can be embedded in reference type instances:
public class MyClass
{
public int Value;
}
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MyClass mc= new MyClass();
mc.Value = 6;MyClass is a reference type (all classes are reference types, all structs are value types) so the instance data is on the heap, and that includes the value type integer "Value" it contains. "mc" is on the stack and holds a reference to the heap based actual data. From here it starts to get very, very complicated - there is something called "boxing" to consider as well, where a stack based value is copied to the heap and passed as a reference - far too complicated for a little text box like this one! Get a c# book - they all explain this with pictures (which helps a lot) and when you've read it have a look at this:
5+ from me also. :)
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Did you actually read the explanation that OriginalGriff posted, or the previous message that I wrote? A
stringis not a value type so its data will be stored on the heap. Its reference pointerswill be on the stack. If you want a simple explanation then read Charles Petzold's excellent .NET Book Zero[^].Nice Book.
