WTFOTD
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Just what was going through the mind of the product manager or whatever that though a Windows Service needed a visual designer? The only thing you can use it for, standard, is to add an installer, and that should rather simply be a class template, or at worst, have it's own designer. But to add a service class to a project, and be faced with a large, grey expanse that is virtually useless strikes me as more hardcode retarded than simply idiotic.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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Just what was going through the mind of the product manager or whatever that though a Windows Service needed a visual designer? The only thing you can use it for, standard, is to add an installer, and that should rather simply be a class template, or at worst, have it's own designer. But to add a service class to a project, and be faced with a large, grey expanse that is virtually useless strikes me as more hardcode retarded than simply idiotic.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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manchanx wrote:
probably that guy who came up with the "Visual ..." term..
That's a legacy name: it started with "Visual C++" at version 1 in 1993 to differentiate it from the existing Microsoft C++ (and the Borland Turbo C++) to indicate that it was a "complete system" which allowed you to design and develop the whole product from the same environment. [edit] Yes, I just remembered Visual Basic was in 1991 - but I do try to forget that, and the huge stack of floppies it came on... But it was Visual C++ that become Visual Studio, and VB was bolted in later. [/edit]
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manchanx wrote:
probably that guy who came up with the "Visual ..." term..
That's a legacy name: it started with "Visual C++" at version 1 in 1993 to differentiate it from the existing Microsoft C++ (and the Borland Turbo C++) to indicate that it was a "complete system" which allowed you to design and develop the whole product from the same environment. [edit] Yes, I just remembered Visual Basic was in 1991 - but I do try to forget that, and the huge stack of floppies it came on... But it was Visual C++ that become Visual Studio, and VB was bolted in later. [/edit]
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Wow! Pretty good memory for an old sheep rustler! My first 'Visual' product was Visual C++ v1.52 (which I still have) but I have no idea what year that was. I was using Turbo Pascal at the time - a far superior product - but that disappeared after the Visual garbage crushed it with louder marketing.
Will Rogers never met me.
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Wow! Pretty good memory for an old sheep rustler! My first 'Visual' product was Visual C++ v1.52 (which I still have) but I have no idea what year that was. I was using Turbo Pascal at the time - a far superior product - but that disappeared after the Visual garbage crushed it with louder marketing.
Will Rogers never met me.
I paid my own money for V1.0 and V2.0 of Visual C++ (the company was too mean to buy it for me) and I still remember writing (and worse signing) the cheques! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Wow! Pretty good memory for an old sheep rustler! My first 'Visual' product was Visual C++ v1.52 (which I still have) but I have no idea what year that was. I was using Turbo Pascal at the time - a far superior product - but that disappeared after the Visual garbage crushed it with louder marketing.
Will Rogers never met me.
My first 'Visual' product was a ridiculously early version of VB, maybe VB2. I started real life, for money, coding with VB4. It was a hard sell - I felt C++ coded in text only was more 'honest' - doing everything explicitly, yourself.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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I paid my own money for V1.0 and V2.0 of Visual C++ (the company was too mean to buy it for me) and I still remember writing (and worse signing) the cheques! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Ouch!! They were as overpriced then as now!:mad:
Will Rogers never met me.
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Ouch!! They were as overpriced then as now!:mad:
Will Rogers never met me.
It was a serious number of beer vouchers in those days! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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It was a serious number of beer vouchers in those days! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
:laugh: :laugh: :beer:
Will Rogers never met me.
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My first 'Visual' product was a ridiculously early version of VB, maybe VB2. I started real life, for money, coding with VB4. It was a hard sell - I felt C++ coded in text only was more 'honest' - doing everything explicitly, yourself.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
I'm actually kinda glad I no longer code for a living. I've never mastered (or liked) the Visual products, or the drag and drop approach to programming. I started coding microcode for embedded processors and writing system stuff in Assembly, on paper, and never grew out of the habit of analyzing the crap out of every line to eliminate cycles and wasted bytes. And just when Turbo Pascal finally adopted OOP and made human-readable and maintainable code practical, along comes MS and Visual C(rap)++. Now I can just piddle along with the VS tools and not care - it's a hobby, not something I have to be proud of and hope someone will pay me for doing. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
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Just what was going through the mind of the product manager or whatever that though a Windows Service needed a visual designer? The only thing you can use it for, standard, is to add an installer, and that should rather simply be a class template, or at worst, have it's own designer. But to add a service class to a project, and be faced with a large, grey expanse that is virtually useless strikes me as more hardcode retarded than simply idiotic.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
Just to compound my WTF, while I was pondering said large rey expanse, I accidentally dropped a Windows WPF control on it. VS2013 allowed me to do this! :mad: I then spent about 20 minutes trying to figure out why my service would no longer start. X|
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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I'm actually kinda glad I no longer code for a living. I've never mastered (or liked) the Visual products, or the drag and drop approach to programming. I started coding microcode for embedded processors and writing system stuff in Assembly, on paper, and never grew out of the habit of analyzing the crap out of every line to eliminate cycles and wasted bytes. And just when Turbo Pascal finally adopted OOP and made human-readable and maintainable code practical, along comes MS and Visual C(rap)++. Now I can just piddle along with the VS tools and not care - it's a hobby, not something I have to be proud of and hope someone will pay me for doing. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
Well, the WPF designer being one of the most useless pieces of crap MS has ever kept alive this long in their Visual range, nicely takes the Visual aspect out of WPF and lets you hand code all your own XAML. And, IMO, the framework is simply outstanding.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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Just what was going through the mind of the product manager or whatever that though a Windows Service needed a visual designer? The only thing you can use it for, standard, is to add an installer, and that should rather simply be a class template, or at worst, have it's own designer. But to add a service class to a project, and be faced with a large, grey expanse that is virtually useless strikes me as more hardcode retarded than simply idiotic.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
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Well, the WPF designer being one of the most useless pieces of crap MS has ever kept alive this long in their Visual range, nicely takes the Visual aspect out of WPF and lets you hand code all your own XAML. And, IMO, the framework is simply outstanding.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
I'll have to find a reason to look into that, Brady! :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
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I'm actually kinda glad I no longer code for a living. I've never mastered (or liked) the Visual products, or the drag and drop approach to programming. I started coding microcode for embedded processors and writing system stuff in Assembly, on paper, and never grew out of the habit of analyzing the crap out of every line to eliminate cycles and wasted bytes. And just when Turbo Pascal finally adopted OOP and made human-readable and maintainable code practical, along comes MS and Visual C(rap)++. Now I can just piddle along with the VS tools and not care - it's a hobby, not something I have to be proud of and hope someone will pay me for doing. :-D
Will Rogers never met me.
Now here we have something I would upvote, at least if CP would let me. Good old machine code is a pleasure. No rules, conventions, best practices, worst practices or whatever. Best of all, no discussions with some eggheads about how you shold write your code. What part of hexadecimal did they misunderstand? :-)
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manchanx wrote:
probably that guy who came up with the "Visual ..." term..
That's a legacy name: it started with "Visual C++" at version 1 in 1993 to differentiate it from the existing Microsoft C++ (and the Borland Turbo C++) to indicate that it was a "complete system" which allowed you to design and develop the whole product from the same environment. [edit] Yes, I just remembered Visual Basic was in 1991 - but I do try to forget that, and the huge stack of floppies it came on... But it was Visual C++ that become Visual Studio, and VB was bolted in later. [/edit]
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
I have Visual C++ 1.0 (or maybe 1.1 hard to remember that far back) and there is very little that is actually visual. At least compared to today's use of the term.
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My first 'Visual' product was a ridiculously early version of VB, maybe VB2. I started real life, for money, coding with VB4. It was a hard sell - I felt C++ coded in text only was more 'honest' - doing everything explicitly, yourself.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
My first Visual product was an early version of Visual C++, personally handed to me for free by Bill Gates himself, right after Software Development 91 ended in SF. We were sitting around talking with the David Intersimone from Borland, who'd just given us all free TurboC++ packages, and he called Bill over and introduced us to him as the newest TurboC++ developers. At that point, one of the MS lackeys was summarily dispatched to get copies of Visual C++ for Bill to hand out to us. It was great - both of the new C++ development products for free!
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My first Visual product was an early version of Visual C++, personally handed to me for free by Bill Gates himself, right after Software Development 91 ended in SF. We were sitting around talking with the David Intersimone from Borland, who'd just given us all free TurboC++ packages, and he called Bill over and introduced us to him as the newest TurboC++ developers. At that point, one of the MS lackeys was summarily dispatched to get copies of Visual C++ for Bill to hand out to us. It was great - both of the new C++ development products for free!
Since 2010, I think, until 2013, all my copies of VS Pro have been free. I was once a member of MS's WebSiteSpark program, which included a limited MSDN subscription. It was supposed to only last a year, but they emailed me twice afterward and offered me a renewal. I took it. I have legally free copies of Design Studio 4 and Office 2013 by freak accidents along the lines of that program as well.
No object is so beautiful that, under certain conditions, it will not look ugly. - Oscar Wilde
