AARRGGHHHH!!!!!
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No. I will not rely on some IDE to tell me what my code means. Often enough the IDE is too busy showing me hysterical error messages or the parser got lost a little further up in the code and simply is not able to provide any useful information anymore. Second, especially when I have to work with complex baseclasses, I tend to use some good oldschool printouts of those baseclasses as reference. I tried using intellisense on a printout, but the result always was a classic 'Funny, no response!'. Third. I don't hover, not even when flying a helicopter.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.Interesting view points. ;)
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No. I will not rely on some IDE to tell me what my code means. Often enough the IDE is too busy showing me hysterical error messages or the parser got lost a little further up in the code and simply is not able to provide any useful information anymore. Second, especially when I have to work with complex baseclasses, I tend to use some good oldschool printouts of those baseclasses as reference. I tried using intellisense on a printout, but the result always was a classic 'Funny, no response!'. Third. I don't hover, not even when flying a helicopter.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.CDP1802 wrote:
or the parser got lost a little further up in the code and simply is not able to provide any useful information anymore.
after saying that you really think you are in position to say that var is a problem? you just said you write code that the machine that will compile and run it can't understand.
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CDP1802 wrote:
or the parser got lost a little further up in the code and simply is not able to provide any useful information anymore.
after saying that you really think you are in position to say that var is a problem? you just said you write code that the machine that will compile and run it can't understand.
No. When the parser is a little upset and confused, the code will not compile. Nor will it be able to provide me with some of the information I may need to correct this. In this situation I prefer not having to rely on intellisense.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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Interesting view points. ;)
Actually I have nothing against hovering with a helicopter. It's just because I gave a friend the nickname 'Hoverfly' because he keeps practicing hovering and did not want to carefully start flying around. Last weekend he did and crashed his helicopter and has been repairing since then. Now I can't just say that hovering is ok, or he will never try again.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
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There's a synonym for "punching bag". It's called "colleagues". Knock yourself one out! ;P
V.
(MQOTD rules and previous solutions)V. wrote:
Knock yourself one out!
Not sure if you intended to, or did so by mistake, but that phrase has a very particular meaning. Maybe type the phrase into google images and click on the I'm feeling lucky button :~
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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Interesting discussion. I found
vara bit difficult to cope with at first as it does hide the actual type. Fortunately many IDEs will, as has been pointed out elsewhere, give you the type if you hover over the 'var'. This, however, doesn't help when dealing with printed/quoted code snippets or when working in an environment that doesn't reveal the type. So, my definition of 'appropriate' is where the type is obvious (usually because the assignment includes the type as part of a 'new' or a typecast of some kind) or because the type is so complicated that it obfuscates itself (e.g. nested generics with multiple parameters). In the latter case I either rely on VS for an explanation or, where possible, simplify the type by creating a new wrapperclass/structwith XML help to explain what the class is about. The basic rule is "Think about other people when writing your code." Always ask yourself 'Can this be understood without having to look through reams of code or relying on an IDE to find variable/type definitions?' If not can it be simplified or explained?" If all else fails use a comment to explain (and thereby starts another argument :sigh: ).Couldn't agree more with you. I would also like to add that even if you have Visual Studio it interrupts reading and interpreting the code. Making it harder to understand for someone that is reading the code for the first time. I blame ReSharper for the fever of using var everywhere. That's the argument of many: "Oh, but Resharper says to use var everywhere". I wish I knew who at ReSharper dev team decided it was a good thing.
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I am. Why the hell not? It's more aesthetically pleasing and in most cases it does not reduce readability (for me, for you - don't care). I haven't use it much in C# before C++11 assigned new meaning to
auto. Then I started replacing crap like thisstd::unordered_map<std::string, boring_class>::const_iteratorwithautoand then moved the habit to C#.Hardly the rule and only applicable for complex names. Now, people use it on method returns and everywhere. I happen to be in a position that I have to read a lot of other people's code and it's a pain to read them when var is used everywhere. On generic types it's even more disrupting.
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Thank you. Exactly.
How often do you have to declare stuff like in C++ std::unordered_map::const_iterator? It's hardly the rule. If you're declaring
Tuple, KeyValuePair>
or something like that, maybe it makes sense. But more often than not, it doesnt.
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I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc
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F*** me too. And Resharper that says lazy mode
varis a good thing. :mad:To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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V. wrote:
Knock yourself one out!
Not sure if you intended to, or did so by mistake, but that phrase has a very particular meaning. Maybe type the phrase into google images and click on the I'm feeling lucky button :~
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc
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If I liked typing I'd have been a typist. If I could write code without typing at all I would. BTW: I almost exclusively use "var" and see little wrong with it. I guess I'm an "implied typist"! :laugh: But I also use bigLongVariableNames, because that's where the real value of all those extra characters comes in.
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JimmyRopes wrote:
They unify the way many various things are accessed
To the lowest common, and therefore the least efficient, method possible. And it's unreadable.
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
To the lowest common, and therefore the least efficient, method possible.
Is this just speculation or can you cite data to back up your psition?
PIEBALDconsult wrote:
And it's unreadable.
I, personally, find this a lot more readable than the alternative.
XDocument xml = XDocument.Load(Environment.GetEnvironmentVariable("SystemDrive") + @"\manifest.xml");
var oledbconn = from el in xml.Root.Elements("webservice") where el.Attribute("name").Value == ServiceName select el.Element("OleDbConnection").Value; OleDbConnectionString = oledbconn.FirstOrDefault();You, of course, are entitled to your opinion.
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If I liked typing I'd have been a typist. If I could write code without typing at all I would. BTW: I almost exclusively use "var" and see little wrong with it. I guess I'm an "implied typist"! :laugh: But I also use bigLongVariableNames, because that's where the real value of all those extra characters comes in.
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I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer?
Maybe you should educate them on how to be a professional rather than an amateur. Professionals understand that code is part of a process and not the sole point of development. Of course other parts of the process are architecture, design, implementation, testing and maintenance. Not to mention the cost of all of those. Of those steps the part that "reduces" code is only one part. Unless it does, objectively, reduce the cost overall then it isn't in fact professional. At a minimum it must be easier to maintain (thus understand) for the average programmer that works at the company. If it doesn't then it isn't cost effective and therefor it fails.
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Couldn't agree more with you. I would also like to add that even if you have Visual Studio it interrupts reading and interpreting the code. Making it harder to understand for someone that is reading the code for the first time. I blame ReSharper for the fever of using var everywhere. That's the argument of many: "Oh, but Resharper says to use var everywhere". I wish I knew who at ReSharper dev team decided it was a good thing.
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Fabio Franco wrote:
I blame ReSharper for the fever of using var everywhere.
Indeed! :| That's why I quickly felt pressured into using
var. However, as with most things ReSharper, you can turn off the 'hint' in the ReSharper settings if the nagging gets too much and your employer's required coding style doesn't prohibit it. :-D -
Fabio Franco wrote:
I blame ReSharper for the fever of using var everywhere.
Indeed! :| That's why I quickly felt pressured into using
var. However, as with most things ReSharper, you can turn off the 'hint' in the ReSharper settings if the nagging gets too much and your employer's required coding style doesn't prohibit it. :-DPaul Benson wrote:
ou can turn off the 'hint' in the ReSharper settings
Yeah, but by that time, ReSharper already damaged the new devs. :(
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
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I absolutely despise when people say "oh, I'm using this because it reduces the amount of code I have to type". F**** me. If you don't like typing, why are you a programmer? I need a punching bag in my home-office. Marc
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