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  • M Munchies_Matt

    No, it is unlikely to be either, it is an explicit failure because of a setting somewhere. If MSFT don't know this then who the fuck does? Me? I didn't write their OS, they did.

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    ZurdoDev
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    Munchies_Matt wrote:

    If MSFT don't know this then who the f*** does?

    I'm sure they don't have every single little feature documented.

    There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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      So I raise a support question, "which registry values are causing component xxx to trace this error message in the event log, and fail the install of our drivers" "Ask NCR" was the response.

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      Mathew Fatman
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      You should know better. Use Linux where everything is throughly documented. :rolleyes:

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      • M Munchies_Matt

        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

        the installation of your OS

        Not mine, NCRs....

        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

        have this when its done using sysprep and not resealed

        Yes, its a similar error, except it doesn't say 'factory mode' None of the other known registry settings seem to be causing it either. And sop far NCR haven't found it.

        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson wrote:

        drivers have been built for un-attended installation and yet have a decision dialog in them

        Our drivers ship with a co-installer, that doesn't have any UI in it, it only reads and writes some registry values. If this coinstaller is left out, the driver installs OK. So clearly the very existence of a coinstaller is enough to cause the system to fall over. Its really quite crap.

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        Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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        sounds to me like its a red herring, my guess is that something is going titsup and not being caught and bounces up the stack until its caught by the catch with that error I had this when it turned out the installation couldn't cope with a certain piece of hardware (in that case it was a USB controller that had been changed on later motherboards that wasn't mentioned in the spec) completely MS fault they should prevent any hardware changes as Apple does but that was just that time so don't think I am saying that's the cause in your case

        You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          Munchies_Matt wrote:

          If MSFT don't know this then who the f*** does?

          I'm sure they don't have every single little feature documented.

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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          and they don't release all the documentation for the bits they do have documented

          You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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          • M Munchies_Matt

            So I raise a support question, "which registry values are causing component xxx to trace this error message in the event log, and fail the install of our drivers" "Ask NCR" was the response.

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            Mathew Fatman
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            You are the tosser. You should use Linux where everything is throughly documented. :rolleyes:

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            • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

              sounds to me like its a red herring, my guess is that something is going titsup and not being caught and bounces up the stack until its caught by the catch with that error I had this when it turned out the installation couldn't cope with a certain piece of hardware (in that case it was a USB controller that had been changed on later motherboards that wasn't mentioned in the spec) completely MS fault they should prevent any hardware changes as Apple does but that was just that time so don't think I am saying that's the cause in your case

              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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              Munchies_Matt
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              Could be, but the big clue is that when the coinstaller is not on the system, it installs OK, so its as iff the existence of a coinstaller is automatically seen as a UI component and blocked. Of course the driver itself could read and write the registry settings, its trivial enough, but the 1st rule of kernel coding is put as much in user mode as you can because its cheaper, so that's where I put it. Of course the client could just run 'devcon upgrade nnn.inf VID_xxx' every thime it fucks up, but its not very user friendly. (Or the app could do it if the COM port wasn't there). Anyway, best if NCR find out what it is, their is the only machine this happens on, after 10 plus years of general usage.

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              • M Mathew Fatman

                You are the tosser. You should use Linux where everything is throughly documented. :rolleyes:

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                Munchies_Matt
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                Yeah, it reminds me why I switched to Linux kernel programming, you really can do anything you like. Windows is such a black box, and MSFT such a crap company to deal with.

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                • M Munchies_Matt

                  Yeah, it reminds me why I switched to Linux kernel programming, you really can do anything you like. Windows is such a black box, and MSFT such a crap company to deal with.

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                  Mathew Fatman
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                  Munchies_Matt wrote:

                  Yeah, it reminds me why I switched to Linux kernel programming, you really can do anything you like.

                  Then why do you use MSFT?

                  Munchies_Matt wrote:

                  Windows is such a black box, and MSFT such a crap company to deal with.

                  I must ask again why do you use MSFT? X|

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                  • M Mathew Fatman

                    Munchies_Matt wrote:

                    Yeah, it reminds me why I switched to Linux kernel programming, you really can do anything you like.

                    Then why do you use MSFT?

                    Munchies_Matt wrote:

                    Windows is such a black box, and MSFT such a crap company to deal with.

                    I must ask again why do you use MSFT? X|

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                    Munchies_Matt
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                    Mathew Fatman wrote:

                    Then why do you use MSFT?

                    Its not me, its the client, they are using XP as their OS.

                    Mathew Fatman wrote:

                    I must ask again why do you use MSFT?

                    For kernel engineering it also pays very well. :)

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                    • M Munchies_Matt

                      Mathew Fatman wrote:

                      Then why do you use MSFT?

                      Its not me, its the client, they are using XP as their OS.

                      Mathew Fatman wrote:

                      I must ask again why do you use MSFT?

                      For kernel engineering it also pays very well. :)

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                      Munchies_Matt wrote:

                      Mathew Fatman wrote:

                      I must ask again why do you use MSFT?

                      For kernel engineering it also pays very well.

                      If you sell out you don't get to complain. :doh:

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                      • M Mathew Fatman

                        Munchies_Matt wrote:

                        Mathew Fatman wrote:

                        I must ask again why do you use MSFT?

                        For kernel engineering it also pays very well.

                        If you sell out you don't get to complain. :doh:

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                        Mathew Fatman wrote:

                        If you sell out you don't get to complain

                        Bollocks. :)

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                        • M Munchies_Matt

                          Mathew Fatman wrote:

                          If you sell out you don't get to complain

                          Bollocks. :)

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                          Mathew Fatman
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                          Munchies_Matt wrote:

                          Mathew Fatman wrote:

                          If you sell out you don't get to complain

                          Bollocks. :)

                          Complain all you want but you don't have any credibility when you're a sellout. :laugh:

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                          • M Mathew Fatman

                            Munchies_Matt wrote:

                            Mathew Fatman wrote:

                            If you sell out you don't get to complain

                            Bollocks. :)

                            Complain all you want but you don't have any credibility when you're a sellout. :laugh:

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                            Munchies_Matt
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                            Nah, you have it wrong, I am just a cynic, not a sell out. And a realist.

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                            • M Munchies_Matt

                              Nah, you have it wrong, I am just a cynic, not a sell out. And a realist.

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                              Mathew Fatman
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                              Munchies_Matt wrote:

                              Nah, you have it wrong, I am just a cynic, not a sell out. And a realist.

                              Not to be too cynical but you sound just like the people you criticized in the past for working with MSFT. :laugh: Funny how we become defensive when we sell out for a pay check.

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                              • M Mathew Fatman

                                Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                Nah, you have it wrong, I am just a cynic, not a sell out. And a realist.

                                Not to be too cynical but you sound just like the people you criticized in the past for working with MSFT. :laugh: Funny how we become defensive when we sell out for a pay check.

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                                Mathew Fatman wrote:

                                you sound just like the people you criticized in the past for working with MSFT

                                Except that I act professionally, always providing information when needed, helping out, trying my best to make the product work.

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                                • M Munchies_Matt

                                  Mathew Fatman wrote:

                                  you sound just like the people you criticized in the past for working with MSFT

                                  Except that I act professionally, always providing information when needed, helping out, trying my best to make the product work.

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                                  Mathew Fatman
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                                  Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                  I act professionally, always providing information when needed, helping out, trying my best to make the product work.

                                  :zzz:

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                                    Munchies_Matt wrote:

                                    I act professionally, always providing information when needed, helping out, trying my best to make the product work.

                                    :zzz:

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                                    Munchies_Matt
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                                    Unlike MSFT who arrogantly sling out crap and couldn't care less how well it works.

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                                    • M Munchies_Matt

                                      Unlike MSFT who arrogantly sling out crap and couldn't care less how well it works.

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                                      Mathew Fatman
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                                      You really are boring. You think they give a toss what you think? Or for that matter do I?

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                                      • M Mathew Fatman

                                        You really are boring. You think they give a toss what you think? Or for that matter do I?

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                                        Munchies_Matt
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                                        Look pal whats your fucking problem? Nothing but personal attacks this thread. Got something to say to me or are you always like this?

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                                        • M Munchies_Matt

                                          Look pal whats your fucking problem? Nothing but personal attacks this thread. Got something to say to me or are you always like this?

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                                          Mathew Fatman
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                                          You really think you have pals? Then again in your delusions your a hero in your own mind.

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