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  • L Lost User

    In a smaller company I would challenge it, but this is my second stint here and I know (from experience) that the quickest way to get kicked out is to start introducing logical arguments.

    How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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    Pete OHanlon
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    That doesn't sound like such a bad deal. The words "constructive dismissal" would seem appropriate here.

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    • P Pete OHanlon

      That doesn't sound like such a bad deal. The words "constructive dismissal" would seem appropriate here.

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      Not sure it applies to contractors :( I remember it was like this the first time round, I just thought they'd turned a corner. The lesson is (I guess) that it's not the bright, shiny, ultra-modern building that makes the company what it is - it's the people. :java:

      How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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        Not sure it applies to contractors :( I remember it was like this the first time round, I just thought they'd turned a corner. The lesson is (I guess) that it's not the bright, shiny, ultra-modern building that makes the company what it is - it's the people. :java:

        How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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        Pete OHanlon
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        Ah. I hadn't realised you were a contractor.

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        • P Pete OHanlon

          Ah. I hadn't realised you were a contractor.

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          Lost User
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          Yeah, so it's only a temporary thing for me.. It's just disappointing why some companies put the wrong kind of people in charge and develop a negative culture. You can understand why Britain has no companies like Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook or Space-X - we're too worried about people wearing headphones or not wearing corporate socks..

          How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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            Yeah, so it's only a temporary thing for me.. It's just disappointing why some companies put the wrong kind of people in charge and develop a negative culture. You can understand why Britain has no companies like Google, Apple, Microsoft, Facebook or Space-X - we're too worried about people wearing headphones or not wearing corporate socks..

            How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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            Bergholt Stuttley Johnson
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            I work for a US corporation and I can assure you that the US corporate style is far worse, whilst the flash IT world may be Google etc the majority of US corporations are even worse than those in the UK.

            You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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            • B Bergholt Stuttley Johnson

              I work for a US corporation and I can assure you that the US corporate style is far worse, whilst the flash IT world may be Google etc the majority of US corporations are even worse than those in the UK.

              You cant outrun the world, but there is no harm in getting a head start Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.

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              Lost User
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              That sucks.. They must have had training from one of our vast number of Management Consultancies.

              How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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              • L Lost User

                So this morning - the last day of the week just before a long weekend, so a positive moment you'd think, until we all got an email from management saying "no headphones in the office".. :( They've just spent millions having a new state of the art office built, all ultra-modern decked out like an Ikea catalogue with games rooms, sofas, a coffee shop and unlimited corporate slogans adorning the walls along the lines of "this is your office", "we want you to be happy", "work the way you want", and all the usual BS.. I guess whatever you want is fine as long as it's the same thing as what management want too.. this one email has probably undone a lot of the goodwill that's been built up within the company over the last few months :doh: The stupidest thing is that I don't listen to music that much in the office, but the fact that someone felt the need to send email like this reflects badly on the attitude of management in itself.. what a way to start a bank holiday weekend.

                How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                Lost User
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                On a serious note: Let me play the devil's advocate here: I wish I had the reference, but decades ago, it was shown that music can be counter-productive in the workplace, especially if it is not purely instrumental, but involves singing. Your management is not that unreasonable!

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                • L Lost User

                  On a serious note: Let me play the devil's advocate here: I wish I had the reference, but decades ago, it was shown that music can be counter-productive in the workplace, especially if it is not purely instrumental, but involves singing. Your management is not that unreasonable!

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                  I think it does depend on what style of music it is. The thing is that would subjective for each individual, and some would prefer no music at all. Isn't this all part of diversity in the workplace? Sometimes there are genuine reasons why it can't be allowed, but in most cases I think that rules like this are enforced simply because a certain manager or influential group of people in a company either don't like it or can't do it themselves.

                  How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                  • L Lost User

                    On a serious note: Let me play the devil's advocate here: I wish I had the reference, but decades ago, it was shown that music can be counter-productive in the workplace, especially if it is not purely instrumental, but involves singing. Your management is not that unreasonable!

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                    Sander Rossel
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                    Cornelius Henning wrote:

                    it was shown that music can be counter-productive in the workplace

                    I dare to bet that a bad morale is much more counter-productive. And so is the sound that the music is probably covering up :)

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

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                    • L Lost User

                      So this morning - the last day of the week just before a long weekend, so a positive moment you'd think, until we all got an email from management saying "no headphones in the office".. :( They've just spent millions having a new state of the art office built, all ultra-modern decked out like an Ikea catalogue with games rooms, sofas, a coffee shop and unlimited corporate slogans adorning the walls along the lines of "this is your office", "we want you to be happy", "work the way you want", and all the usual BS.. I guess whatever you want is fine as long as it's the same thing as what management want too.. this one email has probably undone a lot of the goodwill that's been built up within the company over the last few months :doh: The stupidest thing is that I don't listen to music that much in the office, but the fact that someone felt the need to send email like this reflects badly on the attitude of management in itself.. what a way to start a bank holiday weekend.

                      How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                      Tim Carmichael
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                      Is it a safety issue? Some people would play the music to the point they can't hear what goes on around them, like fire alarms, injured colleagues, requests for assistance. Try asking nicely, without prejudice and see what happens.

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                      • L Lost User

                        Not sure it applies to contractors :( I remember it was like this the first time round, I just thought they'd turned a corner. The lesson is (I guess) that it's not the bright, shiny, ultra-modern building that makes the company what it is - it's the people. :java:

                        How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                        newton saber
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                        Brent Jenkins wrote:

                        I just thought they'd turned a corner

                        You definitely haven't read enough Dilbert. employee1: "Things are getting better." employee2: "Well, yeah, they couldn't get any worse."

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                        • L Lost User

                          On a serious note: Let me play the devil's advocate here: I wish I had the reference, but decades ago, it was shown that music can be counter-productive in the workplace, especially if it is not purely instrumental, but involves singing. Your management is not that unreasonable!

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                          newton saber
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                          Cornelius Henning wrote:

                          especially if it is not purely instrumental

                          actually, very true. Human voices and words in your native language are very distracting. That is why the Best Must Choice of GREAT DEVELOPERS AROUND the World is INSTRUMENTAL JAZZ!!

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                          • L Lost User

                            So this morning - the last day of the week just before a long weekend, so a positive moment you'd think, until we all got an email from management saying "no headphones in the office".. :( They've just spent millions having a new state of the art office built, all ultra-modern decked out like an Ikea catalogue with games rooms, sofas, a coffee shop and unlimited corporate slogans adorning the walls along the lines of "this is your office", "we want you to be happy", "work the way you want", and all the usual BS.. I guess whatever you want is fine as long as it's the same thing as what management want too.. this one email has probably undone a lot of the goodwill that's been built up within the company over the last few months :doh: The stupidest thing is that I don't listen to music that much in the office, but the fact that someone felt the need to send email like this reflects badly on the attitude of management in itself.. what a way to start a bank holiday weekend.

                            How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                            Richard Deeming
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                            Brent Jenkins wrote:

                            "no headphones in the office"

                            They didn't say anything about playing your music through the speakers at maximum volume. :-D


                            "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                            • L Lost User

                              So this morning - the last day of the week just before a long weekend, so a positive moment you'd think, until we all got an email from management saying "no headphones in the office".. :( They've just spent millions having a new state of the art office built, all ultra-modern decked out like an Ikea catalogue with games rooms, sofas, a coffee shop and unlimited corporate slogans adorning the walls along the lines of "this is your office", "we want you to be happy", "work the way you want", and all the usual BS.. I guess whatever you want is fine as long as it's the same thing as what management want too.. this one email has probably undone a lot of the goodwill that's been built up within the company over the last few months :doh: The stupidest thing is that I don't listen to music that much in the office, but the fact that someone felt the need to send email like this reflects badly on the attitude of management in itself.. what a way to start a bank holiday weekend.

                              How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                              crazie coder
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                              we do have same issue :(( :(( :(( Music is allowed only after 4 o'clock..

                              eNJOY c0ding....

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                              • R Richard Deeming

                                Brent Jenkins wrote:

                                "no headphones in the office"

                                They didn't say anything about playing your music through the speakers at maximum volume. :-D


                                "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                                dandy72
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                                That's what I was thinking. Speakers for everybody.

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                                • T Tim Carmichael

                                  Is it a safety issue? Some people would play the music to the point they can't hear what goes on around them, like fire alarms, injured colleagues, requests for assistance. Try asking nicely, without prejudice and see what happens.

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                                  Doubtful.. a few guys around me have worn earphones without any issues. We're open plan too so even if you couldn't hear the alarm, you'd still see people rushing out. Even if this was the case, I'm sure that they have the same issues with people who have hearing problems? What do they do in that case?

                                  Tim Carmichael wrote:

                                  Try asking nicely, without prejudice and see what happens.

                                  The way the email was worded, it's not up for discussion.

                                  How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    Cornelius Henning wrote:

                                    it was shown that music can be counter-productive in the workplace

                                    I dare to bet that a bad morale is much more counter-productive. And so is the sound that the music is probably covering up :)

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    Sander Rossel wrote:

                                    bad morale is much more counter-productive

                                    That's the one :laugh:

                                    How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      So this morning - the last day of the week just before a long weekend, so a positive moment you'd think, until we all got an email from management saying "no headphones in the office".. :( They've just spent millions having a new state of the art office built, all ultra-modern decked out like an Ikea catalogue with games rooms, sofas, a coffee shop and unlimited corporate slogans adorning the walls along the lines of "this is your office", "we want you to be happy", "work the way you want", and all the usual BS.. I guess whatever you want is fine as long as it's the same thing as what management want too.. this one email has probably undone a lot of the goodwill that's been built up within the company over the last few months :doh: The stupidest thing is that I don't listen to music that much in the office, but the fact that someone felt the need to send email like this reflects badly on the attitude of management in itself.. what a way to start a bank holiday weekend.

                                      How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                                      S Houghtelin
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                                      I love the headphones! It makes it easier to walk up behind someone and startle the heck out them. Seriously though, there is more evidence that music increases productivity[^]. Of course the research does point out that not all types of music increases creative abilities.

                                      It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                                        I love the headphones! It makes it easier to walk up behind someone and startle the heck out them. Seriously though, there is more evidence that music increases productivity[^]. Of course the research does point out that not all types of music increases creative abilities.

                                        It was broke, so I fixed it.

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                                        Years ago I worked for a very small company - the director was a bit of a wide-boy and loved expensive suits. So much so, that he forced everyone else in the company to also wear suits. His reasoning was that it made him feel professional, so therefore it would make all of us feel professional too. Some people just refuse to accept that different people have different views on the world. I'd wager that the guy who's come up with the headphone rule here finds headphones distracting himself. Therefore.. banned for everybody.

                                        How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                                        • L Lost User

                                          In a smaller company I would challenge it, but this is my second stint here and I know (from experience) that the quickest way to get kicked out is to start introducing logical arguments.

                                          How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.

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                                          Dan Neely
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                                          You just need to find the right thing to push back with. I'm partial to fine products from Peoria[^].

                                          Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt

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