Apple too clever by half
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So, apple have come out with Photos - the replacement for iPhoto. not sure why - but there you have it - no real choice as iPhoto effectively deprecated (although you can continue to use current versions. So, I have 250Gb of photos in iPhoto on my NAS. Open Photos, it asks me if I want to convert to Photos. "Sure!" Hours later it finishes, I have a play, all looks good, if not particularly different, and that's that. Then I want to look at some photos on my other machine. No worries. Open Photos, select photo library, says it needs to convert it! Oh well. Say OK. Long story short - When it converts on a Mac drive it does so using hard links - so one copy of the photo, but two libraries - one iPhoto library and on Photos library. iPhoto updates one library while Photos updates the other. But because it's on the NAS (I think) it duplicates the photos too. so now I had 500Gb photos split across two libraries - and when I opened the iPhoto library in Photos a second time, "Something went Wrong" Now, of course I have backups, so nothing too tragic - but playing with 250Gb of files is never a fun job when you're not sure what's wrong. Finally I decided to take a copy of the (working) iPhoto library, then delete the Photos library and re-convert. It's doing that now. If it fails,I will cry It's certainly a clever tricj to use hard links to save having to copy photos when upgrading - but it would have been nice to get a "I'm about to copy 250Gb of photos - is that really what you want to do" warning!
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So, apple have come out with Photos - the replacement for iPhoto. not sure why - but there you have it - no real choice as iPhoto effectively deprecated (although you can continue to use current versions. So, I have 250Gb of photos in iPhoto on my NAS. Open Photos, it asks me if I want to convert to Photos. "Sure!" Hours later it finishes, I have a play, all looks good, if not particularly different, and that's that. Then I want to look at some photos on my other machine. No worries. Open Photos, select photo library, says it needs to convert it! Oh well. Say OK. Long story short - When it converts on a Mac drive it does so using hard links - so one copy of the photo, but two libraries - one iPhoto library and on Photos library. iPhoto updates one library while Photos updates the other. But because it's on the NAS (I think) it duplicates the photos too. so now I had 500Gb photos split across two libraries - and when I opened the iPhoto library in Photos a second time, "Something went Wrong" Now, of course I have backups, so nothing too tragic - but playing with 250Gb of files is never a fun job when you're not sure what's wrong. Finally I decided to take a copy of the (working) iPhoto library, then delete the Photos library and re-convert. It's doing that now. If it fails,I will cry It's certainly a clever tricj to use hard links to save having to copy photos when upgrading - but it would have been nice to get a "I'm about to copy 250Gb of photos - is that really what you want to do" warning!
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You forgot that apple is only compatible with itself, when you're lucky.
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So, apple have come out with Photos - the replacement for iPhoto. not sure why - but there you have it - no real choice as iPhoto effectively deprecated (although you can continue to use current versions. So, I have 250Gb of photos in iPhoto on my NAS. Open Photos, it asks me if I want to convert to Photos. "Sure!" Hours later it finishes, I have a play, all looks good, if not particularly different, and that's that. Then I want to look at some photos on my other machine. No worries. Open Photos, select photo library, says it needs to convert it! Oh well. Say OK. Long story short - When it converts on a Mac drive it does so using hard links - so one copy of the photo, but two libraries - one iPhoto library and on Photos library. iPhoto updates one library while Photos updates the other. But because it's on the NAS (I think) it duplicates the photos too. so now I had 500Gb photos split across two libraries - and when I opened the iPhoto library in Photos a second time, "Something went Wrong" Now, of course I have backups, so nothing too tragic - but playing with 250Gb of files is never a fun job when you're not sure what's wrong. Finally I decided to take a copy of the (working) iPhoto library, then delete the Photos library and re-convert. It's doing that now. If it fails,I will cry It's certainly a clever tricj to use hard links to save having to copy photos when upgrading - but it would have been nice to get a "I'm about to copy 250Gb of photos - is that really what you want to do" warning!
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The other side of that coin is, "people who use Apple products are too dumb by twice." Marc
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So, apple have come out with Photos - the replacement for iPhoto. not sure why - but there you have it - no real choice as iPhoto effectively deprecated (although you can continue to use current versions. So, I have 250Gb of photos in iPhoto on my NAS. Open Photos, it asks me if I want to convert to Photos. "Sure!" Hours later it finishes, I have a play, all looks good, if not particularly different, and that's that. Then I want to look at some photos on my other machine. No worries. Open Photos, select photo library, says it needs to convert it! Oh well. Say OK. Long story short - When it converts on a Mac drive it does so using hard links - so one copy of the photo, but two libraries - one iPhoto library and on Photos library. iPhoto updates one library while Photos updates the other. But because it's on the NAS (I think) it duplicates the photos too. so now I had 500Gb photos split across two libraries - and when I opened the iPhoto library in Photos a second time, "Something went Wrong" Now, of course I have backups, so nothing too tragic - but playing with 250Gb of files is never a fun job when you're not sure what's wrong. Finally I decided to take a copy of the (working) iPhoto library, then delete the Photos library and re-convert. It's doing that now. If it fails,I will cry It's certainly a clever tricj to use hard links to save having to copy photos when upgrading - but it would have been nice to get a "I'm about to copy 250Gb of photos - is that really what you want to do" warning!
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I don't know how they manage to do that, but it seems like you can get in the same situation with iTunes. I don't use it myself, but every time a buddy of mine replaces one of his iDevices and asks for my help to do the initial setup and sync, or his machine blows up and we restore from a backup then re-do the initial sync, somehow he ends up with his whole library getting duplicated somewhere and taking twice the space it did before. I told him there's a reason I'm not using Apple products. They're made for a special type of people, and apparently that bar is too high for me.
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I don't know how they manage to do that, but it seems like you can get in the same situation with iTunes. I don't use it myself, but every time a buddy of mine replaces one of his iDevices and asks for my help to do the initial setup and sync, or his machine blows up and we restore from a backup then re-do the initial sync, somehow he ends up with his whole library getting duplicated somewhere and taking twice the space it did before. I told him there's a reason I'm not using Apple products. They're made for a special type of people, and apparently that bar is too high for me.
dandy72 wrote:
They're made for a special type of people, and apparently that bar is too high low for me.
FTFY! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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dandy72 wrote:
They're made for a special type of people, and apparently that bar is too high low for me.
FTFY! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I don't know how they manage to do that, but it seems like you can get in the same situation with iTunes. I don't use it myself, but every time a buddy of mine replaces one of his iDevices and asks for my help to do the initial setup and sync, or his machine blows up and we restore from a backup then re-do the initial sync, somehow he ends up with his whole library getting duplicated somewhere and taking twice the space it did before. I told him there's a reason I'm not using Apple products. They're made for a special type of people, and apparently that bar is too high for me.
dandy72 wrote:
They're made for a special type of people
You missed out the word "needs".
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So, apple have come out with Photos - the replacement for iPhoto. not sure why - but there you have it - no real choice as iPhoto effectively deprecated (although you can continue to use current versions. So, I have 250Gb of photos in iPhoto on my NAS. Open Photos, it asks me if I want to convert to Photos. "Sure!" Hours later it finishes, I have a play, all looks good, if not particularly different, and that's that. Then I want to look at some photos on my other machine. No worries. Open Photos, select photo library, says it needs to convert it! Oh well. Say OK. Long story short - When it converts on a Mac drive it does so using hard links - so one copy of the photo, but two libraries - one iPhoto library and on Photos library. iPhoto updates one library while Photos updates the other. But because it's on the NAS (I think) it duplicates the photos too. so now I had 500Gb photos split across two libraries - and when I opened the iPhoto library in Photos a second time, "Something went Wrong" Now, of course I have backups, so nothing too tragic - but playing with 250Gb of files is never a fun job when you're not sure what's wrong. Finally I decided to take a copy of the (working) iPhoto library, then delete the Photos library and re-convert. It's doing that now. If it fails,I will cry It's certainly a clever tricj to use hard links to save having to copy photos when upgrading - but it would have been nice to get a "I'm about to copy 250Gb of photos - is that really what you want to do" warning!
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
But because it's on the NAS (I think) it duplicates the photos too. so now I had 500Gb photos split across two libraries
Is the NAS using SMB for access? Microsoft only invented hard links recently, and SMB predates that by something like a decade.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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_Maxxx_ wrote:
But because it's on the NAS (I think) it duplicates the photos too. so now I had 500Gb photos split across two libraries
Is the NAS using SMB for access? Microsoft only invented hard links recently, and SMB predates that by something like a decade.
We can program with only 1's, but if all you've got are zeros, you've got nothing.
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So, apple have come out with Photos - the replacement for iPhoto. not sure why - but there you have it - no real choice as iPhoto effectively deprecated (although you can continue to use current versions. So, I have 250Gb of photos in iPhoto on my NAS. Open Photos, it asks me if I want to convert to Photos. "Sure!" Hours later it finishes, I have a play, all looks good, if not particularly different, and that's that. Then I want to look at some photos on my other machine. No worries. Open Photos, select photo library, says it needs to convert it! Oh well. Say OK. Long story short - When it converts on a Mac drive it does so using hard links - so one copy of the photo, but two libraries - one iPhoto library and on Photos library. iPhoto updates one library while Photos updates the other. But because it's on the NAS (I think) it duplicates the photos too. so now I had 500Gb photos split across two libraries - and when I opened the iPhoto library in Photos a second time, "Something went Wrong" Now, of course I have backups, so nothing too tragic - but playing with 250Gb of files is never a fun job when you're not sure what's wrong. Finally I decided to take a copy of the (working) iPhoto library, then delete the Photos library and re-convert. It's doing that now. If it fails,I will cry It's certainly a clever tricj to use hard links to save having to copy photos when upgrading - but it would have been nice to get a "I'm about to copy 250Gb of photos - is that really what you want to do" warning!
PooperPig - Coming Soon
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I don't know how they manage to do that, but it seems like you can get in the same situation with iTunes. I don't use it myself, but every time a buddy of mine replaces one of his iDevices and asks for my help to do the initial setup and sync, or his machine blows up and we restore from a backup then re-do the initial sync, somehow he ends up with his whole library getting duplicated somewhere and taking twice the space it did before. I told him there's a reason I'm not using Apple products. They're made for a special type of people, and apparently that bar is too high for me.
It seems like every few months my wife comes to me to help her figure out iTunes. "It told me to update and now everything is moved around and I can't find XYZ..." That's besides the rarer "my playlists have disappeared" or "where are they putting her ripped CD's now?". Unfortunately she has no choice but to use it since she has an iPhone.
