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  • J jeron1

    Who said killing? It's a small cliff, they're only maimed.

    "the debugger doesn't tell me anything because this code compiles just fine" - random QA comment "Facebook is where you tell lies to your friends. Twitter is where you tell the truth to strangers." - chriselst "I don't drink any more... then again, I don't drink any less." - Mike Mullikins uncle

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    stoneyowl2
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    No, no really - big cliff. They should be removed from the gene pool. If they can't generate enough votes to be at least minimally popular, there is no reason for them to be running around.

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      No, no really - big cliff. They should be removed from the gene pool. If they can't generate enough votes to be at least minimally popular, there is no reason for them to be running around.

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      jeron1
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      But the suffering part is way too short.

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      • S stoneyowl2

        I think we should be able to vote *against* someone without voting *for* someone. Then the one with the most negative votes should be thrown off a cliff.

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        HobbyProggy
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        Additionally, if the elected does not do what he said, he should be thrown off a cliff :-\

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        • Z ZurdoDev

          k5054 wrote:

          One vote can be the winning margin.

          It'd be interesting to see how many times, if ever, that has happened.

          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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          Member 10707677
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          It happened here in New Zealand. The winning margin in one of the MP electoral races was 6 votes. We had to wait for the special votes to be counted before we discovered who won. I've heard of similar close elections at various places in the United States.

          The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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            I think we should be able to vote *against* someone without voting *for* someone. Then the one with the most negative votes should be thrown off a cliff.

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            greldak
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            Well its one way to get an increased turnout.

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            • M Member 10707677

              It happened here in New Zealand. The winning margin in one of the MP electoral races was 6 votes. We had to wait for the special votes to be counted before we discovered who won. I've heard of similar close elections at various places in the United States.

              The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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              greldak
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              Ashton-Under-Lyme General election 1986 - tied - returning officer given casting vote

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Do elections only serve to make the future moron-certain?

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                Francis W Porretto
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                Somewhere in my vast collection of lapel buttons I have one that says: Nobody can fix the economy. Nobody can be trusted with his finger on the button. Nobody's Perfect. VOTE FOR NOBODY! At times such as these, the sentiment acquires extra resonance.

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                • M Member 10707677

                  It happened here in New Zealand. The winning margin in one of the MP electoral races was 6 votes. We had to wait for the special votes to be counted before we discovered who won. I've heard of similar close elections at various places in the United States.

                  The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.

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                  ZurdoDev
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                  Member 10707677 wrote:

                  6 votes.

                  :doh:

                  There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    Do elections only serve to make the future moron-certain?

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                    milo xml
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                    I always thought we should have a "No Confidence" vote on the ballot. If we don't like either/any of the idiots on there, they should be forced to bring us new ones till they get to one we actually like. As an added bonus, if a politician is part of an election where "No Confidence" wins, they are never allowed to run for any office ever again and their campaign funds are forfeited to charity.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      Do elections only serve to make the future moron-certain?

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                      Bassam Abdul Baki
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                      Didn't get it the first time. :-O Slow day yesterday. Slow read today.

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        We do! We can choose to be governed by **this** bunch of incompetent embezzlers serving **these** special interests, or by **that** bunch of incompetent embezzlers serving **those** special interests. And all of them will stick their snouts into the public trough as deeply as physically possible, elected or not.

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                        stevev6
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                        Why do you think they limit themselves to the public tough? That has gotten WAYYY to risky (see cash in the congressman's freezer debacle) The private military-industrial complex have a lot deeper pockets and have little, if any, oversight.

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                        • Z ZurdoDev

                          Member 10707677 wrote:

                          6 votes.

                          :doh:

                          There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.

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                          greldak
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                          No 0 votes - according to Wikipedia there are also several tied ones in Canada - one of which was decided on a coin toss and a US senate election.

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            We do! We can choose to be governed by **this** bunch of incompetent embezzlers serving **these** special interests, or by **that** bunch of incompetent embezzlers serving **those** special interests. And all of them will stick their snouts into the public trough as deeply as physically possible, elected or not.

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                            Kirk 10389821
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                            Our last hope is a COS (Convention of States), where 3/4 of the state legislatures can pass amendments to our constitution without congress/president required to approve them. The Book: The Liberty Amendments by Mark Levin has some good starting points. And Yes, we should be able to vote for what happens to the OUTGOING politician!! So, we vote for Obama to get him in the office, and when he is on his way out, we add some questions, and you can vote for all of them: The Ex-President Should: - Lose Secret Service Protection - Lose Any future payments from the government - Be Prevented from Speaking Publicly - Be Stripped of the POTUS/Mr. President title - Be investigated for lying during his campaign - Be Jailed for his performance (for the same time as his presidential term) - Be forced to pay for the Deficits he ran up :-)))) Furthermore, No member of Congress or the Senate should be allowed to collect ANY payments or reimbursements if they fail to pass a balanced annual budget! Once the deadline comes, they stop getting paid, and changing this law requires a constitutional amendment! Finally, it should be a Felony that prevents serving in public office to knowingly deceive the American People. Even while running for office, and especially once in it. All forms of government misconduct should be tried as Treason. Other than that... I am an easy-going, nature lover who enjoys long walks on the beach :-)))

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                              Our last hope is a COS (Convention of States), where 3/4 of the state legislatures can pass amendments to our constitution without congress/president required to approve them. The Book: The Liberty Amendments by Mark Levin has some good starting points. And Yes, we should be able to vote for what happens to the OUTGOING politician!! So, we vote for Obama to get him in the office, and when he is on his way out, we add some questions, and you can vote for all of them: The Ex-President Should: - Lose Secret Service Protection - Lose Any future payments from the government - Be Prevented from Speaking Publicly - Be Stripped of the POTUS/Mr. President title - Be investigated for lying during his campaign - Be Jailed for his performance (for the same time as his presidential term) - Be forced to pay for the Deficits he ran up :-)))) Furthermore, No member of Congress or the Senate should be allowed to collect ANY payments or reimbursements if they fail to pass a balanced annual budget! Once the deadline comes, they stop getting paid, and changing this law requires a constitutional amendment! Finally, it should be a Felony that prevents serving in public office to knowingly deceive the American People. Even while running for office, and especially once in it. All forms of government misconduct should be tried as Treason. Other than that... I am an easy-going, nature lover who enjoys long walks on the beach :-)))

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                              CJ Barszcz
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                              It would be a good start just to make Congress live under the laws they pass. That is, no exempting themselves.

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                              • H HobbyProggy

                                Additionally, if the elected does not do what he said, he should be thrown off a cliff :-\

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                                SeattleC
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                                That just leads to them making patriotic-sounding noise but not promising anything at all (to the extent they don't do that already). Political commercials sound more and more like commercials for vitamins and food suppliments, full of phrases like "supports a healthy immune system" that mean nothing at all. This thought just crystalized in my head. I am so depressed.

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Do elections only serve to make the future moron-certain?

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                                  fglenn
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                                  What bothers me is not the morons, but the active criminals which public service seems to attract. The best person for any elected post is someone who is competent who really does not want the job. If you really want the job, you are either looking for a free financial ride (read graft/misappropriation of funds), or you are unsuitable because of your lust for power. ;P It's a really rare person who is both competent and altruistic and wants the job to do active good. Even when such a person is elected, they find that everyone around will actively work against them for wanting to change the status quo. Machiavelli probably said it best: (paraphrasing, this is not an exact quote) "Beware my prince, for if you wish to enact change, you will get indifferent support from those with something to gain, and active resistance from those with something to lose."

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                                    What bothers me is not the morons, but the active criminals which public service seems to attract. The best person for any elected post is someone who is competent who really does not want the job. If you really want the job, you are either looking for a free financial ride (read graft/misappropriation of funds), or you are unsuitable because of your lust for power. ;P It's a really rare person who is both competent and altruistic and wants the job to do active good. Even when such a person is elected, they find that everyone around will actively work against them for wanting to change the status quo. Machiavelli probably said it best: (paraphrasing, this is not an exact quote) "Beware my prince, for if you wish to enact change, you will get indifferent support from those with something to gain, and active resistance from those with something to lose."

                                    Fletcher Glenn

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                                    Toad B
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                                    Just think what the US would be like if ALL the politicians were being paid minimum wage and retired on Social Security.

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                                      Just think what the US would be like if ALL the politicians were being paid minimum wage and retired on Social Security.

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                                      fglenn
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                                      Would that stop the graft and misappropriation? More likely, it would in increase it. :( Sorry for being so cynical, but I have been around for a long time.

                                      Fletcher Glenn

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                                        Would that stop the graft and misappropriation? More likely, it would in increase it. :( Sorry for being so cynical, but I have been around for a long time.

                                        Fletcher Glenn

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                                        Toad B
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                                        Me too. But it's a give and take world. The PAC's would be feeding them their graft and sustenance and we would have Social Security fixed and minimum wage would be a respectable income.

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                                        • N Nagy Vilmos

                                          It really matters, if you don't vote then parliament will not know what people believe. It is not just a case of choosing an MP, it is also about showing you care. Next time around, the parties won't bother targeting policies to help non-voters - just look at policies for the young vs policies for the old. They're all in it for themselves, but atleast encourage the ones who may give you hand up as well.

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                                          DerekT P
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                                          "Parties won't bother..." There's lots of talk of voter apathy, but less about politician apathy. Where I live, there were council elections but NOT ONE election communication even MENTIONED them, let alone naming their candidate or explaining their local policies. There was so much hype over the general election that it hadn't even dawned on me there were local elections until I looked at my polling card on the day. Without any info about the candidates I was deprived of ANY choice. Had a rant at the exit poll people as far as a I dared without getting "security" called... Seriously, if the candidates can't even be bothered to put "vote for me" in print, there's something (else) broken with this system.

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