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There are times when I wonder what MS developers are smoking...

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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    There's been a niggle with VS for me for a while: I use CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy and paste, but they are close together and occasionally I get a Copy when I wanted a Paste. Normally I just sigh, and go back to copy it again - but it annoys me a little when I'm on a blank line with nothing selected, and the Paste operation copies the blank line to the clipboard. Why? Why do that? Well, it's deliberate: there's an option to specifically do that.

    Tools -> Options -> Text Editor -> All Languages -> General ... "Apply Cut or Copy commands to blank lines when there is no selection"

    And for whatever reason the default state is "Yes, copy a damn blank line to the clipboard when there is no selection". Why, Microsoft? Why? :doh:

    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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    Corporal Agarn
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    What ever happened to the multi-chased copy paste?

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      What ever happened to the multi-chased copy paste?

      Mongo: Mongo only pawn... in game of life.

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      It was too multi-chaste, and died out since it didn't copy...

      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        There's been a niggle with VS for me for a while: I use CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy and paste, but they are close together and occasionally I get a Copy when I wanted a Paste. Normally I just sigh, and go back to copy it again - but it annoys me a little when I'm on a blank line with nothing selected, and the Paste operation copies the blank line to the clipboard. Why? Why do that? Well, it's deliberate: there's an option to specifically do that.

        Tools -> Options -> Text Editor -> All Languages -> General ... "Apply Cut or Copy commands to blank lines when there is no selection"

        And for whatever reason the default state is "Yes, copy a damn blank line to the clipboard when there is no selection". Why, Microsoft? Why? :doh:

        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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        I wish they would separate that option to one for copy and one for cut. Because I agree that copying a blank line is just silly. Cutting however? When I'm rearranging code (commenting / moving similar methods/props next to each other, etc..., ergo, a lot of cutting/pasting), I use ctrl-x to cut (read: delete) blank lines all the time. Much easier to do with one hand on the mouse, and the other on ctrl-x. ctrl-delete requires me to leave the mouse or contort.

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        • V Vark111

          I wish they would separate that option to one for copy and one for cut. Because I agree that copying a blank line is just silly. Cutting however? When I'm rearranging code (commenting / moving similar methods/props next to each other, etc..., ergo, a lot of cutting/pasting), I use ctrl-x to cut (read: delete) blank lines all the time. Much easier to do with one hand on the mouse, and the other on ctrl-x. ctrl-delete requires me to leave the mouse or contort.

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          Sascha Lefevre
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          And I was just about to enable that option... good catch.

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            There's been a niggle with VS for me for a while: I use CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy and paste, but they are close together and occasionally I get a Copy when I wanted a Paste. Normally I just sigh, and go back to copy it again - but it annoys me a little when I'm on a blank line with nothing selected, and the Paste operation copies the blank line to the clipboard. Why? Why do that? Well, it's deliberate: there's an option to specifically do that.

            Tools -> Options -> Text Editor -> All Languages -> General ... "Apply Cut or Copy commands to blank lines when there is no selection"

            And for whatever reason the default state is "Yes, copy a damn blank line to the clipboard when there is no selection". Why, Microsoft? Why? :doh:

            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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            Kevin Marois
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            If you think about the vast number of options in VS (in Tools => options), and wonder why and WTF a lot of them do, then ya, it makes you think "Why MS, why?" But what really bugs the piss outta me is when menu & shortcut options change from one version of VS to another.

            If it's not broken, fix it until it is

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            • T Tim Carmichael

              Interesting way to clear the clipboard so as to not have 'forgotten' items in there that may be inadvertently posted later.

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              S Houghtelin
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              Tim Carmichael wrote:

              way to clear the clipboard so

              I've done that when I've copied and pasted large amounts of information from other projects or applications just to clear the clipboard. :laugh:

              It was broke, so I fixed it.

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                It was too multi-chaste, and died out since it didn't copy...

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                Gary R Wheeler
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                Hold still. Bubba the angry male sheep wants to hurt you now.

                Software Zen: delete this;

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                • V Vark111

                  I wish they would separate that option to one for copy and one for cut. Because I agree that copying a blank line is just silly. Cutting however? When I'm rearranging code (commenting / moving similar methods/props next to each other, etc..., ergo, a lot of cutting/pasting), I use ctrl-x to cut (read: delete) blank lines all the time. Much easier to do with one hand on the mouse, and the other on ctrl-x. ctrl-delete requires me to leave the mouse or contort.

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                  _Vitor Garcia_
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                  Why won't you just press delete ?

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                  • _ _Vitor Garcia_

                    Why won't you just press delete ?

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                    Vark111
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                    Because some(many) times the "blank" lines have extra spaces or tabs in them. Delete will only get rid of one of the characters. ctrl-x eliminates the whole line. And I think these faux-blank lines still count as blank as far as this option is concerned. Also: since this is usually in the midst of moving code, my hand is already over the ctrl-x keys.

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                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                      There's been a niggle with VS for me for a while: I use CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy and paste, but they are close together and occasionally I get a Copy when I wanted a Paste. Normally I just sigh, and go back to copy it again - but it annoys me a little when I'm on a blank line with nothing selected, and the Paste operation copies the blank line to the clipboard. Why? Why do that? Well, it's deliberate: there's an option to specifically do that.

                      Tools -> Options -> Text Editor -> All Languages -> General ... "Apply Cut or Copy commands to blank lines when there is no selection"

                      And for whatever reason the default state is "Yes, copy a damn blank line to the clipboard when there is no selection". Why, Microsoft? Why? :doh:

                      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                      DJ van Wyk
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                      That is the second setting I change when installing a new copy of any version of VS.

                      My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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                      • N newton saber

                        Don't you know WordStar?[^] Ctrl-Insert for copy Shift-Insert for paste Works everywhere. Visual Studio messes it up. :D Solves that empty-line-copy problem too, from what I can tell. *** EDIT *** Oh, interesting, Ctrl-Insert and Shift-Insert are from the IBM Common User Acess (CUA)[^]

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                        DJ van Wyk
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                        That's the old school way of doing it. I can remember it from the DOS / Word Perfect / Quatro Pro days. Funny thing is, nobody ever considered copy/pasting an empty line back then. We did things more efficiently by using the huge [Enter] key on the keyboard.

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                        • V Vark111

                          I wish they would separate that option to one for copy and one for cut. Because I agree that copying a blank line is just silly. Cutting however? When I'm rearranging code (commenting / moving similar methods/props next to each other, etc..., ergo, a lot of cutting/pasting), I use ctrl-x to cut (read: delete) blank lines all the time. Much easier to do with one hand on the mouse, and the other on ctrl-x. ctrl-delete requires me to leave the mouse or contort.

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                          DJ van Wyk
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                          In VS I prefer to use [Ctrl]+[Shift]+[L] to remove empty lines. That way I don't lose what's in the clipboard. It normally happens when I decide to move chunks of code around by cutting what I want to keep, removing all lines to clean up, then going to the new location and pasting. That way I don't have to scroll around or remember where to clean up again.

                          My plan is to live forever ... so far so good

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            IIRC, copy only ever did anything at all if there was a selection - and most apps work that way even today. The whole idea of copy working on non-selected data is bad, I think - but I wish it worked in MS error message boxes where you can't select anything anyway! :laugh:

                            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                            Corneliu Tusnea
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                            Ctrl+C works in "most" error message boxes. It copies the complete contents + title + buttons as text. I love it. You don't need to "select" anything except to have the message box focused. Sample: --------------------------- Microsoft Visual Studio --------------------------- Cannot move 'RandomFile.Debug.config'. The destination folder is the same as the source folder. --------------------------- OK ---------------------------

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                            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                              There's been a niggle with VS for me for a while: I use CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy and paste, but they are close together and occasionally I get a Copy when I wanted a Paste. Normally I just sigh, and go back to copy it again - but it annoys me a little when I'm on a blank line with nothing selected, and the Paste operation copies the blank line to the clipboard. Why? Why do that? Well, it's deliberate: there's an option to specifically do that.

                              Tools -> Options -> Text Editor -> All Languages -> General ... "Apply Cut or Copy commands to blank lines when there is no selection"

                              And for whatever reason the default state is "Yes, copy a damn blank line to the clipboard when there is no selection". Why, Microsoft? Why? :doh:

                              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                              Oleg A Lukin
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                              Did you ever try Ctrl+Shift+V after that? Twice ;)

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                                Don't you know WordStar?[^] Ctrl-Insert for copy Shift-Insert for paste Works everywhere. Visual Studio messes it up. :D Solves that empty-line-copy problem too, from what I can tell. *** EDIT *** Oh, interesting, Ctrl-Insert and Shift-Insert are from the IBM Common User Acess (CUA)[^]

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                                They were the ones shown on the menus in Win 3.1

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  There's been a niggle with VS for me for a while: I use CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy and paste, but they are close together and occasionally I get a Copy when I wanted a Paste. Normally I just sigh, and go back to copy it again - but it annoys me a little when I'm on a blank line with nothing selected, and the Paste operation copies the blank line to the clipboard. Why? Why do that? Well, it's deliberate: there's an option to specifically do that.

                                  Tools -> Options -> Text Editor -> All Languages -> General ... "Apply Cut or Copy commands to blank lines when there is no selection"

                                  And for whatever reason the default state is "Yes, copy a damn blank line to the clipboard when there is no selection". Why, Microsoft? Why? :doh:

                                  Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                  Simon ORiordan from UK
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                                  Why? Retentive code reviews.

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                                  • O Oleg A Lukin

                                    Did you ever try Ctrl+Shift+V after that? Twice ;)

                                    Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies. T.Jefferson

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                                    OriginalGriff
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                                    Nope, never heard of that one! :sigh: There are times, Microsoft...and inventing a cure for a problem you cause without actually curing the problem...

                                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                    • C Corneliu Tusnea

                                      Ctrl+C works in "most" error message boxes. It copies the complete contents + title + buttons as text. I love it. You don't need to "select" anything except to have the message box focused. Sample: --------------------------- Microsoft Visual Studio --------------------------- Cannot move 'RandomFile.Debug.config'. The destination folder is the same as the source folder. --------------------------- OK ---------------------------

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                                      grralph1
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                                      You have hit the nail on the head. This is the reason why copying non-selected makes you shoot blanks, but it lets you copy the un-selectable. Sort of nice. I am a bit pissed off about this as I didn't know about this until your post. So Thanks Corneliu. There is always a reason.

                                      "Rock journalism is people who can't write interviewing people who can't talk for people who can't read." Frank Zappa 1980

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        There's been a niggle with VS for me for a while: I use CTRL+C and CTRL+V to copy and paste, but they are close together and occasionally I get a Copy when I wanted a Paste. Normally I just sigh, and go back to copy it again - but it annoys me a little when I'm on a blank line with nothing selected, and the Paste operation copies the blank line to the clipboard. Why? Why do that? Well, it's deliberate: there's an option to specifically do that.

                                        Tools -> Options -> Text Editor -> All Languages -> General ... "Apply Cut or Copy commands to blank lines when there is no selection"

                                        And for whatever reason the default state is "Yes, copy a damn blank line to the clipboard when there is no selection". Why, Microsoft? Why? :doh:

                                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                        MikeTheFid
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                                        I know well the annoyance when I too miss the "v" key and press the "c" key instead. Indeed, WTF were they thinking!?! I started using BRIEF (Basic Reconfigurable Interactive Editing Facility) in the late 80's and it's keyboard shortcuts have stuck with me ever since. Cut-Copy-Paste are such fundamental operations they demand a single key all their own; none of this rubbish multi-finger pinky-x, pinky-c, and pink-v! Insert ==> Edit|Paste Keypad + ==> Edit|Copy Keypad - ==> Edit|Cut Simple, intuitive, and since I do far more copying than cutting, they used the enlarged "+" key on the numeric keypad to give your finger an ample target. Brief was (is) a brilliant editor and it's ideas have stood the test of time IMNSHO.

                                        Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright

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                                          I know well the annoyance when I too miss the "v" key and press the "c" key instead. Indeed, WTF were they thinking!?! I started using BRIEF (Basic Reconfigurable Interactive Editing Facility) in the late 80's and it's keyboard shortcuts have stuck with me ever since. Cut-Copy-Paste are such fundamental operations they demand a single key all their own; none of this rubbish multi-finger pinky-x, pinky-c, and pink-v! Insert ==> Edit|Paste Keypad + ==> Edit|Copy Keypad - ==> Edit|Cut Simple, intuitive, and since I do far more copying than cutting, they used the enlarged "+" key on the numeric keypad to give your finger an ample target. Brief was (is) a brilliant editor and it's ideas have stood the test of time IMNSHO.

                                          Cheers, Mike Fidler "I intend to live forever - so far, so good." Steven Wright "I almost had a psychic girlfriend but she left me before we met." Also Steven Wright

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                                          OriginalGriff
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                                          And it had multiple source "windows", and mouse support, and... I loved it to death - for the first time, you could look at several parts of your code at the same time (Microsoft, are you listening?) I think I still have the original disks and manual in the spare room - but they'll be on 360K floppies (possibly 720, I can't remember) and I don't have anything to read them any more!

                                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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