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  • M MS le Roux

    That's rather sad. AFAIK the US helped Japan and Germany to rebuild after WWII, which is part of the reason they're so prosperous today. If they helped Afghanistan to rebuild, perhaps they would become prosperous, instead of yet again being a breeding ground for terrorists and oppressors. Isn't that worth the effort?

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    MS le Roux wrote: If they helped Afghanistan to rebuild, perhaps they would become prosperous, instead of yet again being a breeding ground for terrorists and oppressors. You sanctimonial idiots amaze me. Rebuild WHAT. There was nothing in Afghanistan of any substance in the first place. Maybe you want us to build all this good stuff like power plants, power distribution systems,airports,water and sewage systems,highways, and the infrastructure needed to maintain it out of the goodness of our hearts and while we are doing it make sure that we award the contracts to Swiss, French and German firms to show we have no secret agenda of ' americanizing' the place. Well kiss my patooie. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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    • P Pavel Klocek

      Thomas George wrote: At the end of WWII, the world was much more idealistic; and probably wanted to prevent the loss of death and tragedy of that scale again. Maybe, but also there was the was the strugle between USSR and USA, which were dividing Europe. Pavel Sonork 100.15206

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      Pavel Klocek wrote: Maybe, but also there was the was the strugle between USSR and USA, which were dividing Europe. Which part of Europe did the US get ? I looked but couldn't find it. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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      • E Ed Gadziemski

        that UN is laying out What say does the UN have? They didn't prevent the current war. If you meant the US, then what say will they have in the future? After they leave (in about 6 months; short attention span), Iraqis will do whatever they want. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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        Lost User
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        I don't think US is going to pull out military from there ever. like in Japan, Germany, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and a lot of other places. So weapons are not a concern. But, my question was regarding the economy. If all rebuilding and oil contracts are already handed out, what authority will an elected government have to change those? My article on a reference-counted smart pointer that supports polymorphic objects and raw pointers

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        • E Ed Gadziemski

          that UN is laying out What say does the UN have? They didn't prevent the current war. If you meant the US, then what say will they have in the future? After they leave (in about 6 months; short attention span), Iraqis will do whatever they want. Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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          Ed Gadziemski wrote: After they leave (in about 6 months; short attention span), Just like we pulled out Germany and Japan after a few months... oh wait, we're still there nevermind.... Maybe your referring to Afghanist.. No still there too. Must be Korea, ....*googles*..... No. apparently we're still over there, as well.. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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            Ed Gadziemski wrote: After they leave (in about 6 months; short attention span), Just like we pulled out Germany and Japan after a few months... oh wait, we're still there nevermind.... Maybe your referring to Afghanist.. No still there too. Must be Korea, ....*googles*..... No. apparently we're still over there, as well.. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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            Osama who? Gonna bring our boys homes - George W. Bush, 2000 presidential election America shouldn't be in the business of nation building - George W. Bush, 2000 presidential election Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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            • C Chris Losinger

              the US has already lined up most of the companies for the rebuilding of Iraq. not surprisingly, they're all US companies and also not surprisingly, many of them have some ugly (if not strictly illegal) relationships with current members of the government. the US is going to be deeply involved in Iraq. -c


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              Chris Losinger wrote: they're all US companies So, no place for the Allies, hum? The brits must be delighted.


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              • E Ed Gadziemski

                Osama who? Gonna bring our boys homes - George W. Bush, 2000 presidential election America shouldn't be in the business of nation building - George W. Bush, 2000 presidential election Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

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                Ed Gadziemski wrote: Osama who? They sent 1,000 soldiers after al Queda members last Wednesday/Thursday. They haven't caught OBL, but they have not given up on that. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                • B brianwelsch

                  The following post has some links about the rebuilding happening in Afghanistan. The US is not ignoring the whole thing like some seem to think. http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=457299&forumid=2605&mode=all&userid=37059#xx457299xx[^] BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                  Bedri Egrilmez
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                  The following from 'Global Policy': The United States has eliminated the Taliban, but what is in its place? The president Hamid Karzai has little popular support. He relies on the backing of the US (even his bodyguards are mostly US Special Operations soldiers) and is at the mercy of various warlords, also backed by the US. Peter Singer of the Brookings Institution calls him "basically the mayor of Kabul during daylight hours." So the US has eliminated one source of instability in Afghanistan, and replaced it with another, which it (partially) controls. The prospects are just as bleak for Iraq, if the US decides to engage in the kind of "regime change" and "nation building" it implemented in Afghanistan.

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                  • K KaRl

                    Chris Losinger wrote: they're all US companies So, no place for the Allies, hum? The brits must be delighted.


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                    It's actually not true, Danish companies have been urged by the US to bid on various contracts. Just a bit of blood money X| "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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                      It's actually not true, Danish companies have been urged by the US to bid on various contracts. Just a bit of blood money X| "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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                      KaRl
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                      Thanks for the correction Another proof of the will of the US to avoid an UN leadership in the rebuilt on Iraq


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                      • R Richard Stringer

                        Pavel Klocek wrote: Maybe, but also there was the was the strugle between USSR and USA, which were dividing Europe. Which part of Europe did the US get ? I looked but couldn't find it. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                        The most visible part of the border between the two parts was The Berlin Wall. Pavel Sonork 100.15206

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