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  • R Roger Allen

    Blair does seem to be very earnest and truthfull in what he does. I am not a Labour supporter myself (I tend to more liberal-democrate). I do think he goes the moral road and sticks to his guns about some things (not like the fox hunting issue) and knows when its best to stay away in others. But more than anything he tends to work more than he should in the international arena (not that its a bad thing in itself), but there are some things that need sorting out back here at home. I thinks he's a man you could trust. He does also seem to have at least some small leash on GWB and can reign him in a little from the more rash actions. Just not 100% happy with his policies. I would rather see Charles Kennedy the PM, but then, thats because I am a Liberal (whatever that is!) as they are more in tune with my kind of policies. But overall I hate politics! They are all lying, scheming scum bags, except when their not. Its just too hard to tell the difference! Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 Were you different as a kid? Did you ever say "Ooohhh, shiny red" even once? - Paul Watson 11-February-2003

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    I have been very impressed with Blair, although I have to admit I really get a kick out of watching your House of Commons speak, or argue is it. Blair does seem to feel passionately about Iraq, I honestly have to say I'm impressed with the guy. Roger Allen wrote: But overall I hate politics! They are all lying, scheming scum bags, except when their not. Its just too hard to tell the difference Ah, your politics seem to be about the same as ours after all ;) Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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      I think he's one the best leaders this country has had for a long time. My respect for him is at an all time high because he really, really believes that we are doing the right thing in Iraq. I may disagree with him about some of his domestic policies, but right now he has my full support. Still, if the war drags on for too long, or it goes VERY badly, then he will lose his job. The fact that he knows this and is ready to put his job on the line for something he believes in speaks volumes. Even Donald Rumsfeld effectively gave us Brits a way out a few weeks back when he suggested the US could go it alone in Iraq without us - many other politicians would of grabbed at that chance, especially seeing as public opinion was dead set against conflict unless there was a UN mandate. However, Tony stuck to his guns and now the public is swinging behind him (as predicted). This war could yet confine him to the dustbin of history, or it could guarantee him victory at the next election - only time will tell.

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      Tony Blair also demonstrates Britain will always follow the US, whatever the other side of the channel may think. The british national interest will always be connected to the interests of the Big Brother on the other side of the Ocean, not to the ones of its nearer neighbourgs. I thought he was the first english leader who understood what an united Europe could be. He showed me I was wrong.

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        Tony Blair also demonstrates Britain will always follow the US, whatever the other side of the channel may think. The british national interest will always be connected to the interests of the Big Brother on the other side of the Ocean, not to the ones of its nearer neighbourgs. I thought he was the first english leader who understood what an united Europe could be. He showed me I was wrong.

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        Kaßl wrote: what an united Europe could be What? Is someone trying that? ;P Unless Europe actually becomes one nation and not a forced economic unit, there will not be unity. Just my comment on the EU. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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          Besided the fact that a large part (majority?) of the Brits don't support Blairs actions regarding Iraq, how do people feel about Blair in general and his social policies? I kind off had the impression he was sort of Clintonesque, slick and calculating, however, after watching more he seems to be a good statesman. Opinions? Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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          Jon Newman
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          Britain doesn't need him anymore, we've prooved that by surviving well enough while he's buggered off to america. :mad: If he'd pay more attention to domestic issues than running off on these crusades around the world i'd like him a bit more I think. No what am I saying, i've never liked him, hes a toad.

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            Kaßl wrote: what an united Europe could be What? Is someone trying that? ;P Unless Europe actually becomes one nation and not a forced economic unit, there will not be unity. Just my comment on the EU. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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            The problem is that some countries want to keep their independance. Sure it would be good if all borders were fully open and we became states in a USE. I don't wanna lose the pound, and I don't want Germany/France/Spain telling me how I should live, hell its bad enough that our government does that.

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              Tony Blair also demonstrates Britain will always follow the US, whatever the other side of the channel may think. The british national interest will always be connected to the interests of the Big Brother on the other side of the Ocean, not to the ones of its nearer neighbourgs. I thought he was the first english leader who understood what an united Europe could be. He showed me I was wrong.

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              Richard Stringer
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              KaЯl wrote: thought he was the first english leader who understood what an united Europe could be. Just what would a United Europe be ? And why would the UK want to degrade to that standard ? Other than a predeliction to pander to liberal ideas and an antiquated judicial system the UK seems, to my rather juandiced eye , far above the other so called Europen Powers - I.E. France and Germany. Unless you can devise someway to have a common language and a common Government , forgetting for a moment about a common heritage ,there will never be a "United" Europe anyway so forget about it. Richard PS: But if you do you can have California as a US contribution. In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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              • D Doug Goulden

                Besided the fact that a large part (majority?) of the Brits don't support Blairs actions regarding Iraq, how do people feel about Blair in general and his social policies? I kind off had the impression he was sort of Clintonesque, slick and calculating, however, after watching more he seems to be a good statesman. Opinions? Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                I while I think he isn't taking part in this for selfish purpoes, it seems that a long time in power takes it toll on people and, I suspect, affects their judgement. Perhaps a 5 year limit for an individual to be prime minister would be a good thing for their sake. :( Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                  I while I think he isn't taking part in this for selfish purpoes, it seems that a long time in power takes it toll on people and, I suspect, affects their judgement. Perhaps a 5 year limit for an individual to be prime minister would be a good thing for their sake. :( Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                  Thanks for the feedback, its kind of interesting watching your government. In particular watchinh the House of Commons is interesting. It gives the impression that the English are much more animated than is commonly believed.;) I was jut wondering because Blair does seem to be a man of his convictions. He seems to have picked a hard row to hoe. Personnally I believe in the cause, but its not often that you see a politician take a stand that is against what his constituency believes in. :-D Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                    Thanks for the feedback, its kind of interesting watching your government. In particular watchinh the House of Commons is interesting. It gives the impression that the English are much more animated than is commonly believed.;) I was jut wondering because Blair does seem to be a man of his convictions. He seems to have picked a hard row to hoe. Personnally I believe in the cause, but its not often that you see a politician take a stand that is against what his constituency believes in. :-D Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                    Doug Goulden wrote: picked a hard row to hoe you got it right! i'm not surprised that you personally got it right, but i'm surprised that someone got it right. i see things like "roe to hold" (handful of fish eggs?) "road to hold", "row to hold", etc.. i just like it when people get it right. :) -c

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                    • R Richard Stringer

                      KaЯl wrote: thought he was the first english leader who understood what an united Europe could be. Just what would a United Europe be ? And why would the UK want to degrade to that standard ? Other than a predeliction to pander to liberal ideas and an antiquated judicial system the UK seems, to my rather juandiced eye , far above the other so called Europen Powers - I.E. France and Germany. Unless you can devise someway to have a common language and a common Government , forgetting for a moment about a common heritage ,there will never be a "United" Europe anyway so forget about it. Richard PS: But if you do you can have California as a US contribution. In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                      The EU will happen some day. Of course, there will be a lot of friction at first, but that's only natural. I mean, look at the early days of the US. You guys settled it with a war before you became one single nation. We're getting more and more globalized, much due to economy, and there is nothing we can do about it. Capitalism owns the world. Eventually we'll even see rogue states like Iraq joining the global community. Probably not tomorrow, but maybe 100 years from now? Before we [Sweden] joined the EU, more than half of the population were against it. Everything would be so bad, we'd lose all souvereignity, etc. When voting day came, the "yes side" got a slight majority, and we joined. Today it seems that the only ones who still want out are either extreme left wing or extreme right wing. So far we've witnessed no catastrophy as a result of joining. At least I haven't. It has opened of a lot of new possibilities, especially in the judicial and educational areas. I believe the future of the european union is bright. It has to be. -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

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                      • R Roger Allen

                        Blair does seem to be very earnest and truthfull in what he does. I am not a Labour supporter myself (I tend to more liberal-democrate). I do think he goes the moral road and sticks to his guns about some things (not like the fox hunting issue) and knows when its best to stay away in others. But more than anything he tends to work more than he should in the international arena (not that its a bad thing in itself), but there are some things that need sorting out back here at home. I thinks he's a man you could trust. He does also seem to have at least some small leash on GWB and can reign him in a little from the more rash actions. Just not 100% happy with his policies. I would rather see Charles Kennedy the PM, but then, thats because I am a Liberal (whatever that is!) as they are more in tune with my kind of policies. But overall I hate politics! They are all lying, scheming scum bags, except when their not. Its just too hard to tell the difference! Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 Were you different as a kid? Did you ever say "Ooohhh, shiny red" even once? - Paul Watson 11-February-2003

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                        Roger Allen wrote: But overall I hate politics! They are all lying, scheming scum bags, except when their not. Its just too hard to tell the difference! Finally something I think everybody every can agree with

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                        • P Paul Watson

                          Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Tony stuck to his guns and now the public is swinging behind him (as predicted). When, and a source would be nice :), did Brit opinion change so radically?

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                          Paul Watson wrote: When, and a source would be nice , did Brit opinion change so radically? I can't give you a source, but I believe it happened almost instantaneously when the war was announced. The same thing happened in Australia. For months, the public was opposed to involvement without UN backing by a margin of around 65% to 35%. It changed to an even split almost immediately when the war was announced. Nations always rally around the government in the early stages of a war. The other side of this is that the same effect is no doubt operative in Iraq; support for Saddam Hussein would have shot up the moment the war commenced. John Carson

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                            Kaßl wrote: what an united Europe could be What? Is someone trying that? ;P Unless Europe actually becomes one nation and not a forced economic unit, there will not be unity. Just my comment on the EU. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

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                            Once seen Jonny's message, you would have understood that a political union is very difficult with 15 countries, if not impossible for the moment. That's why I believe that the countries who're ready for a further step in the integration shouldn't wait for the ones still in the nationalistic state, and create an european core.

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                              Once seen Jonny's message, you would have understood that a political union is very difficult with 15 countries, if not impossible for the moment. That's why I believe that the countries who're ready for a further step in the integration shouldn't wait for the ones still in the nationalistic state, and create an european core.

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                              Agreed, though sadly I believe that Danish voters would say "No". "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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                                KaЯl wrote: thought he was the first english leader who understood what an united Europe could be. Just what would a United Europe be ? And why would the UK want to degrade to that standard ? Other than a predeliction to pander to liberal ideas and an antiquated judicial system the UK seems, to my rather juandiced eye , far above the other so called Europen Powers - I.E. France and Germany. Unless you can devise someway to have a common language and a common Government , forgetting for a moment about a common heritage ,there will never be a "United" Europe anyway so forget about it. Richard PS: But if you do you can have California as a US contribution. In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                                Richard Stringer wrote: And why would the UK want to degrade to that standard ? Other than a predeliction to pander to liberal ideas and an antiquated judicial system the UK seems, to my rather juandiced eye , far above the other so called Europen Powers - I.E. France and Germany Interesting, in what areas are UK, with your eyes, more advanced than France and Germany? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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                                  Agreed, though sadly I believe that Danish voters would say "No". "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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                                  Yep, Denmark doesn't seem to have a great european involvment :( It the danish people still rejecting the € ?

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                                    Yep, Denmark doesn't seem to have a great european involvment :( It the danish people still rejecting the € ?

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                                    jan larsen
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                                    No, the mood has changed in favour of the Euro. The change seems to come from tourist experience, after travelling in a country where the Euro is implemented, it feels a lot more familiar. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

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