How do the Brits feel about Tony Blair

brianwelsch

Kaßl wrote: what an united Europe could be What? Is someone trying that? ;P Unless Europe actually becomes one nation and not a forced economic unit, there will not be unity. Just my comment on the EU. BW "We get general information and specific information, but none of the specific information talks about time, place or methods or means..." - Tom Ridge - US Secretary of Homeland Security

Jon Newman

Britain doesn't need him anymore, we've prooved that by surviving well enough while he's buggered off to america. :mad: If he'd pay more attention to domestic issues than running off on these crusades around the world i'd like him a bit more I think. No what am I saying, i've never liked him, hes a toad.

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Jon Newman

The problem is that some countries want to keep their independance. Sure it would be good if all borders were fully open and we became states in a USE. I don't wanna lose the pound, and I don't want Germany/France/Spain telling me how I should live, hell its bad enough that our government does that.

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Richard Stringer

KaЯl wrote: thought he was the first english leader who understood what an united Europe could be. Just what would a United Europe be ? And why would the UK want to degrade to that standard ? Other than a predeliction to pander to liberal ideas and an antiquated judicial system the UK seems, to my rather juandiced eye , far above the other so called Europen Powers - I.E. France and Germany. Unless you can devise someway to have a common language and a common Government , forgetting for a moment about a common heritage ,there will never be a "United" Europe anyway so forget about it. Richard PS: But if you do you can have California as a US contribution. In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

Lost User

I while I think he isn't taking part in this for selfish purpoes, it seems that a long time in power takes it toll on people and, I suspect, affects their judgement. Perhaps a 5 year limit for an individual to be prime minister would be a good thing for their sake. :( Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

Doug Goulden

Thanks for the feedback, its kind of interesting watching your government. In particular watchinh the House of Commons is interesting. It gives the impression that the English are much more animated than is commonly believed.;) I was jut wondering because Blair does seem to be a man of his convictions. He seems to have picked a hard row to hoe. Personnally I believe in the cause, but its not often that you see a politician take a stand that is against what his constituency believes in. :-D Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

Chris Losinger

Doug Goulden wrote: picked a hard row to hoe you got it right! i'm not surprised that you personally got it right, but i'm surprised that someone got it right. i see things like "roe to hold" (handful of fish eggs?) "road to hold", "row to hold", etc.. i just like it when people get it right. :) -c

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Jorgen Sigvardsson

The EU will happen some day. Of course, there will be a lot of friction at first, but that's only natural. I mean, look at the early days of the US. You guys settled it with a war before you became one single nation. We're getting more and more globalized, much due to economy, and there is nothing we can do about it. Capitalism owns the world. Eventually we'll even see rogue states like Iraq joining the global community. Probably not tomorrow, but maybe 100 years from now? Before we [Sweden] joined the EU, more than half of the population were against it. Everything would be so bad, we'd lose all souvereignity, etc. When voting day came, the "yes side" got a slight majority, and we joined. Today it seems that the only ones who still want out are either extreme left wing or extreme right wing. So far we've witnessed no catastrophy as a result of joining. At least I haven't. It has opened of a lot of new possibilities, especially in the judicial and educational areas. I believe the future of the european union is bright. It has to be. -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

David Patrick

Roger Allen wrote: But overall I hate politics! They are all lying, scheming scum bags, except when their not. Its just too hard to tell the difference! Finally something I think everybody every can agree with

John Carson

Paul Watson wrote: When, and a source would be nice , did Brit opinion change so radically? I can't give you a source, but I believe it happened almost instantaneously when the war was announced. The same thing happened in Australia. For months, the public was opposed to involvement without UN backing by a margin of around 65% to 35%. It changed to an even split almost immediately when the war was announced. Nations always rally around the government in the early stages of a war. The other side of this is that the same effect is no doubt operative in Iraq; support for Saddam Hussein would have shot up the moment the war commenced. John Carson

KaRl

Once seen Jonny's message, you would have understood that a political union is very difficult with 15 countries, if not impossible for the moment. That's why I believe that the countries who're ready for a further step in the integration shouldn't wait for the ones still in the nationalistic state, and create an european core.

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jan larsen

Agreed, though sadly I believe that Danish voters would say "No". "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

jan larsen

Richard Stringer wrote: And why would the UK want to degrade to that standard ? Other than a predeliction to pander to liberal ideas and an antiquated judicial system the UK seems, to my rather juandiced eye , far above the other so called Europen Powers - I.E. France and Germany Interesting, in what areas are UK, with your eyes, more advanced than France and Germany? "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus

KaRl

Yep, Denmark doesn't seem to have a great european involvment :( It the danish people still rejecting the € ?

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jan larsen

No, the mood has changed in favour of the Euro. The change seems to come from tourist experience, after travelling in a country where the Euro is implemented, it feels a lot more familiar. "After all it's just text at the end of the day. - Colin Davies "For example, when a VB programmer comes to my house, they may say 'does your pool need cleaning, sir ?' " - Christian Graus