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  • K Kant

    After all, when European and Arab countries take on the U.S., it's almost expected -- but Canada and Mexico? We are more than friends, more than strategic allies. We are satellite states, extensions of the U.S., its front and back yards, supplying cheap labour (Mexico) and cheap energy (Canada) and, of course, unconditional support. We are supposed to be on the same team -- Team NAFTA. .. Now that Mexico and Canada have decided to declare their independence on Iraq, something remarkable is happening: nothing. No retaliation, not even a backlash -- just an expression of "disappointment" from the U.S. ambassador to Canada. Maybe they're too busy French-bashing to even notice. .. But the U.S. could no more protect its people economically and physically without the help of Mexico and Canada than it could secede from planet Earth. :eek: Article..(Canadian Author).[^] What you guys think about it? Don't :beer: and drive.

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    The US ambassador to canada earlier this week quite made it clear that he was disapointed with Canada because we haven't gone to war with them; and that the USA might consider using economic pressure against us (canada). He said there could be some repercussions against Canada in U.S. policy, but he refused to elaborate. quoted from : http://www.boston.com/dailynews/084/region/U_S_ambassador_calls_Canada_s_:.shtml[^] and : http://observer.thecentre.centennialcollege.ca/news/Cellucci032503.htm[^] There are more and more analysis right now in the media that the USA is loosing precious sympathy support from friends and supporters like Canada and Mexico. Both those 2 countries, the biggests allies of the USA (besides UK) do not support the war on Irak; and now, the USA is blaming them, pressuring them, and not trying to keep the relation secure and as good as possible. Max.


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      i think if any of the right-wing loudmouth infotainers decided to make Mexico or Canada an issue, a small but vocal number of sheep would boycott tacos, maple syrup and Anne Murray (but probably not Jim Carrey, Mike Meyers, Peter Jennings and definitely not mexican migrant workers). they'd make the US as a whole look like even more of a nation of dunces and the rest of us would just sigh and wonder what the hell happened to our country. -c (French's != French)


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      People such as youself already makes me sigh and wonder what the hell happened to our country. Then I remember that in every civilization there are always those who live off the fruits of other peoples blood and labor and keep on hoping that the next generation will be smart enough to ignore them - I think ours will. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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        People such as youself already makes me sigh and wonder what the hell happened to our country. Then I remember that in every civilization there are always those who live off the fruits of other peoples blood and labor and keep on hoping that the next generation will be smart enough to ignore them - I think ours will. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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        i'm sick of your constant insulting, condescending blather. consider yourself officially filtered. -c


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          After all, when European and Arab countries take on the U.S., it's almost expected -- but Canada and Mexico? We are more than friends, more than strategic allies. We are satellite states, extensions of the U.S., its front and back yards, supplying cheap labour (Mexico) and cheap energy (Canada) and, of course, unconditional support. We are supposed to be on the same team -- Team NAFTA. .. Now that Mexico and Canada have decided to declare their independence on Iraq, something remarkable is happening: nothing. No retaliation, not even a backlash -- just an expression of "disappointment" from the U.S. ambassador to Canada. Maybe they're too busy French-bashing to even notice. .. But the U.S. could no more protect its people economically and physically without the help of Mexico and Canada than it could secede from planet Earth. :eek: Article..(Canadian Author).[^] What you guys think about it? Don't :beer: and drive.

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          We blame it on Quebec, they're not regular Canucks, they speak French, Eh? :laugh::laugh::laugh: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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            The US ambassador to canada earlier this week quite made it clear that he was disapointed with Canada because we haven't gone to war with them; and that the USA might consider using economic pressure against us (canada). He said there could be some repercussions against Canada in U.S. policy, but he refused to elaborate. quoted from : http://www.boston.com/dailynews/084/region/U_S_ambassador_calls_Canada_s_:.shtml[^] and : http://observer.thecentre.centennialcollege.ca/news/Cellucci032503.htm[^] There are more and more analysis right now in the media that the USA is loosing precious sympathy support from friends and supporters like Canada and Mexico. Both those 2 countries, the biggests allies of the USA (besides UK) do not support the war on Irak; and now, the USA is blaming them, pressuring them, and not trying to keep the relation secure and as good as possible. Max.


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            Seizing on reports that 31 military personnelare serving in the U.S.-led war in Iraq, the opposition pushed the government Thursday to reveal details of Canada's involvement. In the House of Commons, the Liberals refused to confirm the whereabouts and activities of Canadian soldiers serving in Iraq. Prime Minister Jean Chretien did concede that soldiers, on exchange programs with the British and Australian armies, might be in Iraq. Report..[^] Don't :beer: and drive.

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              i'm sick of your constant insulting, condescending blather. consider yourself officially filtered. -c


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              Like I give a flying .... Thats part of your problem - you have filtered out too much of the real world to fit your predetermined rose colored viewpoint. If you lived in some other place like Iraq you would probably have the same low opinion of the US - its elected representives - and the actions of its people as you do now. So go where your heart tells you. And if you don't like this little character sketch then that means I'm not filtered so add another little trait to the character profile. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                Seizing on reports that 31 military personnelare serving in the U.S.-led war in Iraq, the opposition pushed the government Thursday to reveal details of Canada's involvement. In the House of Commons, the Liberals refused to confirm the whereabouts and activities of Canadian soldiers serving in Iraq. Prime Minister Jean Chretien did concede that soldiers, on exchange programs with the British and Australian armies, might be in Iraq. Report..[^] Don't :beer: and drive.

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                Interesting, is the Canadian gov trying to save face with it's people while loosely participating in the coalition? Not too unreasonable IMHO, it is never good to refuse to try to see a dispute (in the political sense) from both side. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                  Interesting, is the Canadian gov trying to save face with it's people while loosely participating in the coalition? Not too unreasonable IMHO, it is never good to refuse to try to see a dispute (in the political sense) from both side. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                  Chris Austin wrote: is the Canadian gov trying to save face with it's people while loosely participating in the coalition? I don't think so. The soldiers were already in the exchange programs for some times. I'm not sure what are the protocols when soldiers are exchanged, they are under british commands, they will follow orders, unless the canadian gov. decide to bring them back.


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                    We blame it on Quebec, they're not regular Canucks, they speak French, Eh? :laugh::laugh::laugh: Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                    Hey! I resent that ... It's the rest of Canada that are not regular Canucks! ;P Max. P.S. Québec was much more in favor of Free Trade with the USA than the rest of Canada when it was put in place.


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                      Hey! I resent that ... It's the rest of Canada that are not regular Canucks! ;P Max. P.S. Québec was much more in favor of Free Trade with the USA than the rest of Canada when it was put in place.


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                      Québec never has quite fit in with the rest of Canada it seems like. I live in Michigan's Upper Penninsula and when I go to Ontario they have a huge French influence to it seems like. Kind of strange being from the States to see the bi-lingual signs. But I guess if I lived in California or Texas it would be the other way around, lots of Spanish obviously. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                        Québec never has quite fit in with the rest of Canada it seems like. I live in Michigan's Upper Penninsula and when I go to Ontario they have a huge French influence to it seems like. Kind of strange being from the States to see the bi-lingual signs. But I guess if I lived in California or Texas it would be the other way around, lots of Spanish obviously. Uptight Ex-Military Republican married to a Commie Lib - How weird is that?

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                        I'm still surprise when going to other provinces to see some french on some signs! The best thing, is when coming back from the State, or anywhere else, and entering Canada in other provinces than Quebec, and speaking in English to the custom agents, more often they don't speak french (as they are supposed to be), and babble something and let us thrue (sp?), more so if having a Canadian Passport! :-) Max.


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                          Like I give a flying .... Thats part of your problem - you have filtered out too much of the real world to fit your predetermined rose colored viewpoint. If you lived in some other place like Iraq you would probably have the same low opinion of the US - its elected representives - and the actions of its people as you do now. So go where your heart tells you. And if you don't like this little character sketch then that means I'm not filtered so add another little trait to the character profile. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                          LOL! I have to say, Dicky, that you are thunderously good value for money. The scale of the blinkered and rude ignorance that you display on an almost daily basis is rare. You're good to laugh at - keep it up!

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                            LOL! I have to say, Dicky, that you are thunderously good value for money. The scale of the blinkered and rude ignorance that you display on an almost daily basis is rare. You're good to laugh at - keep it up!

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                            Meeoooowwww! :laugh: I've tangled with him as well - but Chris really did seem to get his back up by pointing out something perfectly reasonable and sadly true. :rolleyes: Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                              Meeoooowwww! :laugh: I've tangled with him as well - but Chris really did seem to get his back up by pointing out something perfectly reasonable and sadly true. :rolleyes: Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                              Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Meeoooowwww! And it was all said in a Peter O'Toole voice too. :-D Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I've tangled with him as well - but Chris really did seem to get his back up by pointing out something perfectly reasonable and sadly true. I think Dicky cannot abide even a hint of behaviour that is not one of pure slavish devotion to the Party Line; The Official Truth. "Reasonable" ... none of that subversive talk around here if you please!

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                                Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Meeoooowwww! And it was all said in a Peter O'Toole voice too. :-D Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I've tangled with him as well - but Chris really did seem to get his back up by pointing out something perfectly reasonable and sadly true. I think Dicky cannot abide even a hint of behaviour that is not one of pure slavish devotion to the Party Line; The Official Truth. "Reasonable" ... none of that subversive talk around here if you please!

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                                Andrew McCarter wrote: And it was all said in a Peter O'Toole voice too. lol! :laugh: Andrew McCarter wrote: I think Dicky cannot abide even a hint of behaviour that is not one of pure slavish devotion to the Party Line; The Official Truth. "Reasonable" ... none of that subversive talk around here if you please! I've noticed. He'd make a terrible Brit. Maybe what he needs is a damn good curry to mellow him out a bit. Scampi Vindaloo sounds about right... ;) Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                                  i think if any of the right-wing loudmouth infotainers decided to make Mexico or Canada an issue, a small but vocal number of sheep would boycott tacos, maple syrup and Anne Murray (but probably not Jim Carrey, Mike Meyers, Peter Jennings and definitely not mexican migrant workers). they'd make the US as a whole look like even more of a nation of dunces and the rest of us would just sigh and wonder what the hell happened to our country. -c (French's != French)


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                                  Chris, I have to ask, if you are so unhappy with the US then why do you stay here? Please note I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but I sincerely would like to know. As far me, I would find somewhere I'd like to be. I mean, Canada does have a lot of beautiful land and the chicks like American guys (so I heard). I mean, why be miserable your entire life? Chris Losinger wrote: nation of dunces But, do remember this nation of dunces is the reason you can easily own a small business. Jeremy Falcon "so be it, threaten no more, to secure peace is to prepare for war" - Metallica

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                                    Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Meeoooowwww! And it was all said in a Peter O'Toole voice too. :-D Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I've tangled with him as well - but Chris really did seem to get his back up by pointing out something perfectly reasonable and sadly true. I think Dicky cannot abide even a hint of behaviour that is not one of pure slavish devotion to the Party Line; The Official Truth. "Reasonable" ... none of that subversive talk around here if you please!

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                                    So sad to see an education wasted on one who believes that anyone who does not believe as he does has a fatal character flaw - Andy. History will tell the tale but by then - of course - you will have modified your opinion. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                                      Andrew McCarter wrote: And it was all said in a Peter O'Toole voice too. lol! :laugh: Andrew McCarter wrote: I think Dicky cannot abide even a hint of behaviour that is not one of pure slavish devotion to the Party Line; The Official Truth. "Reasonable" ... none of that subversive talk around here if you please! I've noticed. He'd make a terrible Brit. Maybe what he needs is a damn good curry to mellow him out a bit. Scampi Vindaloo sounds about right... ;) Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                                      Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: Maybe what he needs is a damn good curry to mellow him out a bit. Scampi Vindaloo sounds about right... Now that's not fair. Chicago may have a decent Indo-Pakistan community, but I'm afraid that you just cannot get a decent curry here. I would hack my left leg off for a decent Balti (I never thought I'd miss Stoke-On-Trent for anything except Bass Ale). Curry and Rugby ... the two biggest loses in my life when I moved :(( I've become quite adept at cooking curry over the years, but it always seems to be too much like "work". Besides, curry isn't a food ... it's a cultural thing and you have to go out to get it!

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                                        Chris, I have to ask, if you are so unhappy with the US then why do you stay here? Please note I'm not trying to sound like an ass, but I sincerely would like to know. As far me, I would find somewhere I'd like to be. I mean, Canada does have a lot of beautiful land and the chicks like American guys (so I heard). I mean, why be miserable your entire life? Chris Losinger wrote: nation of dunces But, do remember this nation of dunces is the reason you can easily own a small business. Jeremy Falcon "so be it, threaten no more, to secure peace is to prepare for war" - Metallica

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                                        i complain because i want it to be better, not because i think it's hopelessly terrible. i do like the US, and i do appreciate that part of a democracy is not always getting your way. but, another part of this particular democracy is being able to complain about the bad parts. maybe i should spend more time cheering for the good parts, but that's not my nature. :) -c


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                                          So sad to see an education wasted on one who believes that anyone who does not believe as he does has a fatal character flaw - Andy. History will tell the tale but by then - of course - you will have modified your opinion. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                                          Richard Stringer wrote: So sad to see an education wasted on one who believes that anyone who does not believe as he does has a fatal character flaw Errr ... oh never mind. You wouldn't get it anyway.

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