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  • N Nelek

    I have been industry programmer (PLC and Robots) for 10 years and I can only tell one. It was very, very likely a human error. Worker getting in area when not allowed, safety rules missacted, bad programming of the robot, wrong safety hardware, etc, etc, etc... Which one(s)...? Only the investigation will tell. Robots are (at least still are) the smartest dumbs on earth, they only do what they are told to do, and mostly do it blind. So if you don't want accidents, you need to pay attention while programming, wiring, teaching, using or interacting. A co-worker found a meme in the net, showed to my boss and since then put it in some cabinets or robotic cell doors: "This machine has no brain, please use yours". You can't imagine what some production workers are capable to do just to get the productivity reward.

    M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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    Kent Sharkey
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    Nelek wrote:

    "This machine has no brain, please use yours"

    Oh, there are so many workplaces that can use that notice. ;) Thanks for the insight, I kind of figured it was something like that. The dolphin though... You can't trust something smiling all the time.

    TTFN - Kent

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    • K Kent Sharkey

      Dolphins: Dolphin Dives onto Boat, Breaks Woman's Ankles, Punches Another in the Face[^] Robots: Robot Kills Worker at Volkswagen Plant in Germany[^] OK, probably not in good taste to combine the two, so add me to the list. :~

      TTFN - Kent

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      Richard Deeming
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      Kent Sharkey wrote:

      Robot Kills Worker at Volkswagen Plant in Germany[^]

      As tweeted by Sarah O'Connor[^]. :~


      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Um. You've never seen a well fed cat hunting, have you? :laugh:

        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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        Well, ok, I get your point. I remember of my aunt's cat proudly producing its hunt in the hall. On the other hand, cats have been domesticated and selected for their ability to protect their handlers' food stockpiles, for centuries. Pleasing the humans is some kind of written in their genetic code. But I cannot think of any wild animal that would chase another one for anything else than feeding itself and its offspring.

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          Well, ok, I get your point. I remember of my aunt's cat proudly producing its hunt in the hall. On the other hand, cats have been domesticated and selected for their ability to protect their handlers' food stockpiles, for centuries. Pleasing the humans is some kind of written in their genetic code. But I cannot think of any wild animal that would chase another one for anything else than feeding itself and its offspring.

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          OriginalGriff
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          Foxes? Get one in the chicken house, and they kill everything that moves.

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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            Well, ok, I get your point. I remember of my aunt's cat proudly producing its hunt in the hall. On the other hand, cats have been domesticated and selected for their ability to protect their handlers' food stockpiles, for centuries. Pleasing the humans is some kind of written in their genetic code. But I cannot think of any wild animal that would chase another one for anything else than feeding itself and its offspring.

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            chriselst
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            Lots of animals kill other animals for reasons other than food, most of them are to do with territory or training the young, or simply the elimination of competition, but there are plenty of species which have been observed killing, and hunting for no obvious reason other than the enjoyment of it.

            Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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              Cats are bastards

              Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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              OriginalGriff
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              Well no. Fiends from Hell, yes. But... this is why they make better pets than dogs[^]

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Well no. Fiends from Hell, yes. But... this is why they make better pets than dogs[^]

                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                chriselst
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                You never see a witch with a dog.

                Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                  Kent Sharkey wrote:

                  Robot Kills Worker at Volkswagen Plant in Germany[^]

                  As tweeted by Sarah O'Connor[^]. :~


                  "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                  Kent Sharkey
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                  I love her reaction[^] to the reaction. Maybe it's just the people I know, but I can't see how no one has ever made that connection to her name before[1].

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                  Sigh. I've never even watched the films. Now my feed is full of people tweeting me about skynet.

                  [1] I still get people bringing up "Sharkey's Machine" and "C.P.O. Sharkey".

                  TTFN - Kent

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                  • K Kent Sharkey

                    Dolphins: Dolphin Dives onto Boat, Breaks Woman's Ankles, Punches Another in the Face[^] Robots: Robot Kills Worker at Volkswagen Plant in Germany[^] OK, probably not in good taste to combine the two, so add me to the list. :~

                    TTFN - Kent

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                    Bassam Abdul Baki
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                    There's a new TV show called Zoo that reminds me of this.

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                    • C chriselst

                      You never see a witch with a dog.

                      Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                      Stefto
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                      i dare say you never met my ex-girlfriend.... :rolleyes:

                      #region(start signature) Life's like a nose, you've got to get out of it whats in it! \#endregion

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                      • K Kent Sharkey

                        Nelek wrote:

                        "This machine has no brain, please use yours"

                        Oh, there are so many workplaces that can use that notice. ;) Thanks for the insight, I kind of figured it was something like that. The dolphin though... You can't trust something smiling all the time.

                        TTFN - Kent

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                        Amarnath S
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                        Had heard this two decades ago: "Switch on your brains first; then switch on the computer".

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                        • N Nelek

                          I have been industry programmer (PLC and Robots) for 10 years and I can only tell one. It was very, very likely a human error. Worker getting in area when not allowed, safety rules missacted, bad programming of the robot, wrong safety hardware, etc, etc, etc... Which one(s)...? Only the investigation will tell. Robots are (at least still are) the smartest dumbs on earth, they only do what they are told to do, and mostly do it blind. So if you don't want accidents, you need to pay attention while programming, wiring, teaching, using or interacting. A co-worker found a meme in the net, showed to my boss and since then put it in some cabinets or robotic cell doors: "This machine has no brain, please use yours". You can't imagine what some production workers are capable to do just to get the productivity reward.

                          M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.

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                          Amarnath S
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                          Could there be a homicide angle to this incident? I mean someone willfully programming the robot to do so.

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            Foxes? Get one in the chicken house, and they kill everything that moves.

                            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                            Nagy Vilmos
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                            Glaswegians are the same with brewereries :laugh:

                            veni bibi saltavi

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                            • C chriselst

                              You never see a witch with a dog.

                              Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.

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                              Keith Barrow
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                              Can't fault your logic.

                              KeithBarrow.net[^] - It might not be very good, but at least it is free!

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