AVG is officially a POS
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me. And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed. Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG. I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways.
Good call. Our company put Kaspersky on our machines and nearly everyone had a problem with it blocking something and slowing everything down. Luckily, most of us could uninstall it. Terrible.
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me. And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed. Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG. I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for. Marc
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me. And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed. Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG. I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
Can you elaborate on that ? How should AV companies earn money then ?
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
Can you elaborate on that ? How should AV companies earn money then ?
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me. And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed. Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG. I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
I'd word that a bit differently... "I think operating systems should be built securely enough that they don't need 3rd party anti-virus software."
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me. And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed. Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG. I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
It's a brave man who comes to Code Project and suggests that developers shouldn't be rewarded for their work! It's that kind of thing that turns developers into virus makers in the first place!
Member 9082365 wrote:
It's that kind of thing that turns developers into virus makers in the first place!
Are you implying that open source software is virus? ;) Marc
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Same should apply to condoms.
Amen to that. Marc
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harold aptroot wrote:
Do you even need AV at all?
I wondered about that. It did maybe once a year pop up with some malware threat discovered. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
I'd word that a bit differently... "I think operating systems should be built securely enough that they don't need 3rd party anti-virus software."
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
Mike Mullikin wrote:
I'd word that a bit differently...
Exactly. See my other post replying to the mass of "why free?" questions I'm getting. :) Marc
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I'll try that on my laptop. Last time I tried it, I didn't have a pleasant experience. Marc
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me. And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed. Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG. I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
...and you'll get what you paid for... Everyone needs to make money somehow, I don't mind paying for software if I get a good product and a decent amount of support (updates, patches, etc). Of course, what you charge should be reasonable for your expected users.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
I'll try that on my laptop. Last time I tried it, I didn't have a pleasant experience. Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
I didn't have a pleasant experience.
I had a number of bad experiences with the old XP versions on friends / family computers (that I had the honor of working on) where it became corrupted and was VERY difficult to uninstall. Not quite the level of trying to uninstall Symantec junk - but close. ;P
Contrary to popular belief, nobody owes you anything.
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Member 9082365 wrote:
It's that kind of thing that turns developers into virus makers in the first place!
Are you implying that open source software is virus? ;) Marc
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
It's a brave man who comes to Code Project and suggests that developers shouldn't be rewarded for their work! It's that kind of thing that turns developers into virus makers in the first place!
Member 9082365 wrote:
kind of thing that turns developers into virus makers in the first place
While there still may be a segment of the virus creators who do it because of emotional dysfunctions of one sort or another, I think the vast majority today have a purely economic motive. They are in it to steal from you, everything from your computing resources (CPU cycles, disk space, and network bandwidth) to your economic identity. They are well-paid professionals in a gray market business. I've lost count of the number of stories I've seen in IT news relating how companies use malware techniques to promote their business (Sony comes to mind).
Software Zen:
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harold aptroot wrote:
Do you even need AV at all?
I wondered about that. It did maybe once a year pop up with some malware threat discovered. Marc
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I stick with Microsoft's own Security Essentials, even knowing it's rated rather poorly these days. Frankly as far as I'm concerned, as long as I'm not running without an AV altogether, and it's lightweight enough to do its thing and leave me alone, that's really all I want. I keep my systems up to date and like to think I'm following common-sense practices, and I've yet (in my 20+ year career as a software developer) to have a virus actually running loose on any of my own machines.
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Marc Clifton wrote:
And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for.
...and you'll get what you paid for... Everyone needs to make money somehow, I don't mind paying for software if I get a good product and a decent amount of support (updates, patches, etc). Of course, what you charge should be reasonable for your expected users.
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me. And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed. Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG. I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for. Marc
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Kaspersky was previously with the KGB so you are wise not to trust him.:rose:
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Programs that require a reboot, fine. Programs that FORCE a reboot ("your computer will shut down in 10 minutes, please save your work"), well, that software gets immediately removed, never to be used again by me. And of course, the frosting on the cake was, after it rebooted and there was a new version of AVG, I tried the "speed up your computer" thing and AVG crashed. Gone. Removed. Good riddance, AVG. I used to use Avast years ago, trying it out again as a replacement. Don't really feel like paying for Kaspersky (they don't seem to have a free version) and don't really trust something with Russian sounding name anyways. And no, I don't think anti-virus software is something one should have to pay for. Marc
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Not sure what to recommend for AV solutions - every one of them has had problems of some sort. Most reviews are not independent, they change over time, and even comparisons done in the same time interval seem to conflict. Ratings of proper detection, false positives, impact on system (memory and cpu cycle footprint), ease of use and configuration, ease of central management, etc. I was originally a Norton/Symantec guy but into the late 90s and early 2000s their software became a big, heavy, expensive brick. Unreliable, difficult to manage, slowed PC's to a crawl, and damn near impossible to cleanly uninstall. I also worked with McAfee during the same period (different clients) - overall better experience than Norton but still not a fan of their central management and detection rates. Since then I've either worked directly with or had clients (and friends/family) who had AVG, Avast, TM, Kaspersky, MSE (and WIndows Defender), etc. For network deployment Kaspersky is ok (I have no idea why you don't like them based on a "Russian sounding name" - please tell me that you don't trust Google, Apple, or MS!). For personal use I've been ok with MSE, but it certainly hasn't been perfect - small footprint but not 100% detection.