[war] Garbage in, garbage out

Michael A Barnhart

Marc Clifton wrote: "The enemy we're fighting is different from the one we had war-gamed against," says Lieutenant General William Wallace, the senior US ground commander in Iraq. Question: What would the public think if we did train our troops to fight in this situation? (Mixing in with the civilian population ....) Any people on the defensive are going to use what camouflage is available and the Iraqi's do not have that many forests and swamps to hide in. Like the colonists did in the US Revolution. The north may be different but that is why the Kurds still exist there. ""

Marc Clifton

Question: What would the public think if we did train our troops to fight in this situation? (Mixing in with the civilian population ....) I may not have quite understood your question, but here goes: The military should have trained for that scenario by using soldiers to simulate civilians. I'm not sure the public would have an opinion about it one way or the other. Of course, if you use actual real civies in live fire games, well then! Welcome to downtown Washington DC, or NYC for that matter. ha ha ha. I guess I'm a bit appalled that what was obvious to me and my office coworkers, and what has been addressed even on mainstream media for months, has somehow been missed by our war planners. That, and the idea that the Iraqi's would welcome us with open arms. Pretty amusing. Someone forgot that the Iraqi population is made of up many different ethnic tribes. They have no love for Saddam, but they have no love for us either, given how we've screwed them in the past too. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
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Michael A Barnhart

Marc Clifton wrote: The military should have trained for that scenario by using soldiers to simulate civilians. I'm not sure the public would have an opinion about it one way or the other. I think the people around me would have. Marc Clifton wrote: Welcome to downtown Washington DC, or NYC for that matter. That is more in line with my thought. Go in and find the other guy when 9 of 10 are civilain. ""

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Marc Clifton wrote: Sorry Jorgen. I don't originate too many war posts It's ok, I'll survive. At least I don't have to take cover. :~ I was just in a really bored and bad mood the other night. And when I thought I'd surf the net a little to raise my spirit a little, all I could find was war, war, war and war. I think I snapped. :-D -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

Ed Gadziemski

Jeez, Jörgen, all you ever do is talk about war! :) Those willing to trade liberty for security deserve neither - Benjamin Franklin

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Ed Gadziemski wrote: Jeez, Jörgen, all you ever do is talk about war! I'll try to control myself in the future. :-D Seriously, I just can't help reacting when I see a discussion where "somewhat stupid" oppinions are expressed. No matter what the subject of the thread is. A character flaw I suppose. :) -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

Marc Clifton

I'll take war over Michael Jackson nose falling off while dangling babies off of hotel balconies any day. :-D Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

Andreas Saurwein

Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote: I'll try to control myself in the future. You have to relax a little. I would recommend a few weeks on a nice, sunny beach. (see my sig for a suggested location) :laugh:

Off to in ~74 days

Jorgen Sigvardsson

:-D Well, I'm going to Los Angeles approximately 3 months from now. A few weeks after that I plan on taking a trip somewhere on the same latitude as the Mediterranean sea. I'll be damned if I will not walk on sunny beaches before this year is over! ;P -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

Jorgen Sigvardsson

Hmm.. speaking of Jackson. I bet that if you dig deep enough, you'll find links between Jackson, al-Qaeda and Saddam. That boy ain't right! -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

Andreas Saurwein

There is nothing better than planning ahead :)

Off to in ~74 days

Marc Clifton

I bet that if you dig deep enough, you'll find links between Jackson, al-Qaeda and Saddam. And here you are: A conventional fight between coalition troops and Saddam Hussein's elite Republican Guard is "not too far away", the head of the British army, General Sir Michael Jackson, said today. Turns out, when he's not dangling babies over balconies, he's a frigin' General in the British Army!!! :omg: Marc :rolleyes: Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"

Jorgen Sigvardsson

And.. :wtf: he's a Sir too! What's the world coming to? Surely, we're doomed! What next? R Kelly and Pee Wee running for presidency?! -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

Brit

Anyone else think that his name "William Wallace" is an ironic name for a general? (William Wallace was the character played by Mel Gibson in Braveheart.) ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

Marc Clifton

he he he. As I posted above, the Brits also have a General Sir Michael Jackson. I think we're in trouble. Marc Help! I'm an AI running around in someone's f*cked up universe simulator.
Sensitivity and ethnic diversity means celebrating difference, not hiding from it. - Christian Graus
Every line of code is a liability - Taka Muraoka
Microsoft deliberately adds arbitrary layers of complexity to make it difficult to deliver Windows features on non-Windows platforms--Microsoft's "Halloween files"