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    I am just asking this out of curiosity rather than out of any racist intent. I find that if a 100% black guy marries a 100% white woman (or vice versa) and they have a kid - the kid is 50-50 - yet the kid is categorized as black. Now assume he marries a 100% white and they have a kid. This kid is 25% black and 75% white, yet he is categorized as black. Why is this trend prevelant? I mean seems as if if someone is 1% black and 99% white, he/she is still categorized as black. Is this typical of just the USA? Or this is a universal phenomenon. I only find this trend with black-white cross kids. I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Nish


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    I've heard this and quite frankly, it makes me concerned about attitudes where that is applied. A friend at work mentioned that she is mixed race one time (in the course of talking about her father being from the US) and it was beside the point. Why should she be labelled as one or the other ? Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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      I am just asking this out of curiosity rather than out of any racist intent. I find that if a 100% black guy marries a 100% white woman (or vice versa) and they have a kid - the kid is 50-50 - yet the kid is categorized as black. Now assume he marries a 100% white and they have a kid. This kid is 25% black and 75% white, yet he is categorized as black. Why is this trend prevelant? I mean seems as if if someone is 1% black and 99% white, he/she is still categorized as black. Is this typical of just the USA? Or this is a universal phenomenon. I only find this trend with black-white cross kids. I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Nish


      Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]

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      OK, another response to the same question. I watched a tv programme and it was talking about the plantations in the southern US. Because the owners would have sex with the slaves, anyone who wasn't 100% white would be considered black so the owners could still consider them the same as the other slaves. I really wish that memory hadn't come back, it make smy skin crawl. Talking about people as animals to be used and disposed of but having sex with them. Was that bestiality then ? By the way, my mixed race friend spent a large part of her childhood in the US and has told me about the attitude towards non whites in certain parts of the US. Other parts of the US are not like this at all so I am not generalising about all of the US. Elaine The tigress is here :-D

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        I am just asking this out of curiosity rather than out of any racist intent. I find that if a 100% black guy marries a 100% white woman (or vice versa) and they have a kid - the kid is 50-50 - yet the kid is categorized as black. Now assume he marries a 100% white and they have a kid. This kid is 25% black and 75% white, yet he is categorized as black. Why is this trend prevelant? I mean seems as if if someone is 1% black and 99% white, he/she is still categorized as black. Is this typical of just the USA? Or this is a universal phenomenon. I only find this trend with black-white cross kids. I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Nish


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        It is very odd indeed. Many people seem to be engrossed by individuals ethnic background, as if has bearing on everything. It reminds me of a conversation I had with a HR person when I chose no to fill out the optional race questions on the application. I was being a bit belligerent because she kept me waiting for 45 minutes and I had other places to be plus I was pretty sure that I really didn't want to work there. Her: "Oh, you missed this section." Me: "No, I skipped it." Her: "So, what is your ethnic background?" Me: "It is my understanding that I am not required to answer those type of questions." Her: "Is there a reason you don't want to answer?" Me: "No." Her: "Ahhh....So what is it?" Me: "What do you think?" Her: "Well, I can't answer that can I?" Me: "Is there a reason you don't want to answer?" Needless to say I didn't have the opportunity to turn down a job offer from her company :) Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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          OK, another response to the same question. I watched a tv programme and it was talking about the plantations in the southern US. Because the owners would have sex with the slaves, anyone who wasn't 100% white would be considered black so the owners could still consider them the same as the other slaves. I really wish that memory hadn't come back, it make smy skin crawl. Talking about people as animals to be used and disposed of but having sex with them. Was that bestiality then ? By the way, my mixed race friend spent a large part of her childhood in the US and has told me about the attitude towards non whites in certain parts of the US. Other parts of the US are not like this at all so I am not generalising about all of the US. Elaine The tigress is here :-D

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          Trollslayer wrote: Was that bestiality then ? take a look at the link in my post above. it describes how slaves were reclassified (in legal terms) as 'real property', which would put them in the same category as livestock and household furniture. this was to prevent interracial marriage; since nobody would be allowed to marry their furniture, or other real property, they wouldn't be allowed to marry slaves either. while it seems totally insane to us these days, it was nearly unquestioned at the time (early 1700's). i wonder what people in the 2300's are going to find morally abhorrent about us... -c


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          • N Nish Nishant

            I am just asking this out of curiosity rather than out of any racist intent. I find that if a 100% black guy marries a 100% white woman (or vice versa) and they have a kid - the kid is 50-50 - yet the kid is categorized as black. Now assume he marries a 100% white and they have a kid. This kid is 25% black and 75% white, yet he is categorized as black. Why is this trend prevelant? I mean seems as if if someone is 1% black and 99% white, he/she is still categorized as black. Is this typical of just the USA? Or this is a universal phenomenon. I only find this trend with black-white cross kids. I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Nish


            Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]

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            I think part of it is based on the fact that a person who is half-white half-black looks black. Unless they told you, you might even think that they were 100% black. A couple of examples: Tiger Woods[^] is half-black, half-asian and Halle Berry[^] is half-black, half-white. (Even futher, Halle Berry called herself an inspiration to black women at a recent awards ceremony. I had to think, "Gee, aren't you half-white?") ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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              I am just asking this out of curiosity rather than out of any racist intent. I find that if a 100% black guy marries a 100% white woman (or vice versa) and they have a kid - the kid is 50-50 - yet the kid is categorized as black. Now assume he marries a 100% white and they have a kid. This kid is 25% black and 75% white, yet he is categorized as black. Why is this trend prevelant? I mean seems as if if someone is 1% black and 99% white, he/she is still categorized as black. Is this typical of just the USA? Or this is a universal phenomenon. I only find this trend with black-white cross kids. I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Nish


              Author of the romantic comedy Summer Love and Some more Cricket [New Win] Review by Shog9 Click here for review[NW]

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              I think it's daft. People and people - all unique and special. :love: I remember the snide racist comments my parents and others of their generation used to make back in the 70's. I despised their attitude, and I'm so glad things have changed. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                I've heard this and quite frankly, it makes me concerned about attitudes where that is applied. A friend at work mentioned that she is mixed race one time (in the course of talking about her father being from the US) and it was beside the point. Why should she be labelled as one or the other ? Elaine :rose: The tigress is here :-D

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                You got my 5 hun. :-D Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                • A Anna Jayne Metcalfe

                  I think it's daft. People and people - all unique and special. :love: I remember the snide racist comments my parents and others of their generation used to make back in the 70's. I despised their attitude, and I'm so glad things have changed. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                  Too bad things haven't changed enough. Last year in New Orleans a bitch-ass waitress refused to serve me, my wife, and her father. When we complained and the manager rebuked her she quit right then and there rather than serve us. I am not saying this is the rule, but my wife or I have been on the receiving end too many time to think that we have breed out these rednecks. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                    I am just asking this out of curiosity rather than out of any racist intent. I find that if a 100% black guy marries a 100% white woman (or vice versa) and they have a kid - the kid is 50-50 - yet the kid is categorized as black. Now assume he marries a 100% white and they have a kid. This kid is 25% black and 75% white, yet he is categorized as black. Why is this trend prevelant? I mean seems as if if someone is 1% black and 99% white, he/she is still categorized as black. Is this typical of just the USA? Or this is a universal phenomenon. I only find this trend with black-white cross kids. I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Nish


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                      "Black Man, Black Woman, Black Baby White Man White Woman, White Baby Black Man, White Woman, Black Baby White Man, Black Woman, Black Baby." Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy -c


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                      Arghhhh! Damn, now I have "FOBP" and "Can't Trust It" running through my head. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                        Too bad things haven't changed enough. Last year in New Orleans a bitch-ass waitress refused to serve me, my wife, and her father. When we complained and the manager rebuked her she quit right then and there rather than serve us. I am not saying this is the rule, but my wife or I have been on the receiving end too many time to think that we have breed out these rednecks. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                        I'm sorry to hear that Chris. :rose: It does seem to take longer in some areas than others. The UK is a pretty cosmopolitan place now, and it's a huge contrast to the way it was 20 years ago. I like it that way. :) Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                          Arghhhh! Damn, now I have "FOBP" and "Can't Trust It" running through my head. Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                          Fight the power (of PE). -c


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                            I think it's daft. People and people - all unique and special. :love: I remember the snide racist comments my parents and others of their generation used to make back in the 70's. I despised their attitude, and I'm so glad things have changed. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                            Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I'm so glad things have changed. Has it? http://www.newvision.org.uk/eu_urges_.htm[^] "In separate reports issued recently by the two anti-racism bodies, the United Kingdom has been referred to as one of the increasingly intolerant, hostile, and xenophobic countries in the European Union." Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                              groan...........:) Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton

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                                Anna-Jayne Metcalfe wrote: I'm so glad things have changed. Has it? http://www.newvision.org.uk/eu_urges_.htm[^] "In separate reports issued recently by the two anti-racism bodies, the United Kingdom has been referred to as one of the increasingly intolerant, hostile, and xenophobic countries in the European Union." Mike Mullikin :beer:

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                                Personally, I don't agree with the way asylum applications are treated at all, but I haven't seen that report before and I'm rather shocked by it. I am glad to say that I haven't encountered racism myself in a long, long time. Maybe I've been lucky - I really don't know. I certainly wouldn't tolerate it if I encountered it. Sadly, I do see a different kind of discrimination here - that between those who can afford to live well in the UK and those that can't. The cost of living here is getting crazy. Anna :rose: Homepage | My life in tears

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                                  I am just asking this out of curiosity rather than out of any racist intent. I find that if a 100% black guy marries a 100% white woman (or vice versa) and they have a kid - the kid is 50-50 - yet the kid is categorized as black. Now assume he marries a 100% white and they have a kid. This kid is 25% black and 75% white, yet he is categorized as black. Why is this trend prevelant? I mean seems as if if someone is 1% black and 99% white, he/she is still categorized as black. Is this typical of just the USA? Or this is a universal phenomenon. I only find this trend with black-white cross kids. I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Nish


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                                  "They" are called Coloureds here. A whole race was born when the settlers arrived in South Africa and began procreating with the "natives." Nishant S wrote: I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Huh? I think you have it wrong. An Indian-American is a NATIVE Indian, like a Cherokee. A Chinese-American means the parents or lineage is predominatley Chinese but the person in question was born in America. Like an African-American is a black African born in America. That is how I see it (though just for the record I am as African as anyone else in Africa and they can shove it if they want to label me European! So if I was born in America with my current parents I would be an African-American.)

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                                    I am just asking this out of curiosity rather than out of any racist intent. I find that if a 100% black guy marries a 100% white woman (or vice versa) and they have a kid - the kid is 50-50 - yet the kid is categorized as black. Now assume he marries a 100% white and they have a kid. This kid is 25% black and 75% white, yet he is categorized as black. Why is this trend prevelant? I mean seems as if if someone is 1% black and 99% white, he/she is still categorized as black. Is this typical of just the USA? Or this is a universal phenomenon. I only find this trend with black-white cross kids. I mean if it's an Indian-White cross they refer to him/her as a Indian-american, same for chinese-americans, pakistani-americans etc... But why is it otherwise for black-white crosses? Nish


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                                    In Malaysia, if a chinese married or vice-versa, we call them "Chindian" :) Notorious SMC


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