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Hey Chris! I loathe your anti-spam software

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    Slacker007
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    Just wanted you to know, again. :sigh:

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      Just wanted you to know, again. :sigh:

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      OriginalGriff
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      I really, really, really like it. :thumbsup: Yes, it gives some false positives. But...the amount of rubbish it catches is staggering - and if 10% of that had got through, we still be having spam floods every other day. We had over 2000 items in the spam detector queue at one point! Can you imagine how much fun it would have been to clear that lot up manually, with bots posting it faster than an uncoordinated dozen of us could delete it? You wouldn't have been able to a single genuine post anywhere on the site! Yes, it catches me sometimes. So? I can live with a couple of minutes delay in posting 1% of my messages.

      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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        Just wanted you to know, again. :sigh:

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        Maybe your post just looked like spam

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          I really, really, really like it. :thumbsup: Yes, it gives some false positives. But...the amount of rubbish it catches is staggering - and if 10% of that had got through, we still be having spam floods every other day. We had over 2000 items in the spam detector queue at one point! Can you imagine how much fun it would have been to clear that lot up manually, with bots posting it faster than an uncoordinated dozen of us could delete it? You wouldn't have been able to a single genuine post anywhere on the site! Yes, it catches me sometimes. So? I can live with a couple of minutes delay in posting 1% of my messages.

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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          Well, I am not privy to these wonderful statistics. I am glad to hear that evil is being reduced.

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            Maybe your post just looked like spam

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            Kawaii Bob wrote:

            Maybe your post just looked like spam

            Not good enough for me, personally. The algorithm/software needs to do better than that. There really needs to be a "trusted user" aspect to all of this. However, I don't think that will be possible.

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              Kawaii Bob wrote:

              Maybe your post just looked like spam

              Not good enough for me, personally. The algorithm/software needs to do better than that. There really needs to be a "trusted user" aspect to all of this. However, I don't think that will be possible.

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              9082365
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              You really think this crew of ne'er do wells should ever be 'trusted'? :doh:

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                Kawaii Bob wrote:

                Maybe your post just looked like spam

                Not good enough for me, personally. The algorithm/software needs to do better than that. There really needs to be a "trusted user" aspect to all of this. However, I don't think that will be possible.

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                As the Romans used to say: Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? (*) We've had enough problems recently with a capricious high-rep member marking valid posts as spam/abuse. While the spam filter may require tuning, I think that in general, it is working just fine. *Who will watch the watchmen?

                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                  You really think this crew of ne'er do wells should ever be 'trusted'? :doh:

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                  Slacker007
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                  Yes, actually. Some of us have been with the site for over 5+ years. Some have many published articles, and are regarded to be trustworthy. It's a no brainer, in my book.

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                    Yes, actually. Some of us have been with the site for over 5+ years. Some have many published articles, and are regarded to be trustworthy. It's a no brainer, in my book.

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                    And as Chris said a couple of weeks ago, high-rep members have been known to post spam.

                    Chris Maunder wrote:[^]

                    Is this the "high rep members don't post spam" argument? I would give you counter-examples if it wasn't a breach of decency. :)


                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

                    "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined" - Homer

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                      And as Chris said a couple of weeks ago, high-rep members have been known to post spam.

                      Chris Maunder wrote:[^]

                      Is this the "high rep members don't post spam" argument? I would give you counter-examples if it wasn't a breach of decency. :)


                      "These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer

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                      Slacker007
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                      I am not even talking about high-rep members. Rep has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about trustworthy members.

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                        I am not even talking about high-rep members. Rep has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about trustworthy members.

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                        The problem is that not only do long-term members suddenly get a new job and start posting spam, but some of us are less careful than perhaps we should be with our password quality. Should we allow my account to be free to post what I want? What if someone guesses my password (Good luck with that chaps!) and hijacks my account? We are talking about bots here: fully capable of posting hundreds of messages a minute (heck in the last spam flood some of 'em were well into double digits per second!)

                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                          The problem is that not only do long-term members suddenly get a new job and start posting spam, but some of us are less careful than perhaps we should be with our password quality. Should we allow my account to be free to post what I want? What if someone guesses my password (Good luck with that chaps!) and hijacks my account? We are talking about bots here: fully capable of posting hundreds of messages a minute (heck in the last spam flood some of 'em were well into double digits per second!)

                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                          Slacker007
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                          I highly doubt any of the spam CP is getting is from hijacked accounts. If so, I would like to see the numbers. Codeproject is not international spy stuff. Let's not get carried away with this. :)

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                            I highly doubt any of the spam CP is getting is from hijacked accounts. If so, I would like to see the numbers. Codeproject is not international spy stuff. Let's not get carried away with this. :)

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                            OriginalGriff
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                            I very much doubt it is! But that doesn't mean it couldn't be. This is a good target site: high membership, high traffic, easy signup, easy post. If they get the idea that hacking accounts will benefit them, do you doubt they would try? And the weakest link is always the human who decides what the password is.

                            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                            "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                            "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                              Yes, actually. Some of us have been with the site for over 5+ years. Some have many published articles, and are regarded to be trustworthy. It's a no brainer, in my book.

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                              9082365
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                              I think perhaps you may have suffered a sense of humour failure. Please switch off and on again!

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                                I think perhaps you may have suffered a sense of humour failure. Please switch off and on again!

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                                Slacker007
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                                One of those days. I really shouldn't post when I am irritated, I know, but sometime I need to vent. :java:

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                                  I am not even talking about high-rep members. Rep has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about trustworthy members.

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                                  Chris Maunder
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                                  Emilio Largo wrote:

                                  I'm talking about trustworthy members

                                  You're asking for a hand-picked exemption from any spam filtering, I assume? This isn't actually that hard. We have a "Trusted Author" designation, so adding a "Trusted Poster" would be straightforward.

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    Emilio Largo wrote:

                                    I'm talking about trustworthy members

                                    You're asking for a hand-picked exemption from any spam filtering, I assume? This isn't actually that hard. We have a "Trusted Author" designation, so adding a "Trusted Poster" would be straightforward.

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                                    You're asking for a hand-picked exemption from any spam filtering, I assume? This isn't actually that hard. We have a "Trusted Author" designation, so adding a "Trusted Poster" would be straightforward.

                                    That sounds just like me, Trusted Poster. Do I get a badge and a hat?

                                    Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                                      You're asking for a hand-picked exemption from any spam filtering, I assume? This isn't actually that hard. We have a "Trusted Author" designation, so adding a "Trusted Poster" would be straightforward.

                                      That sounds just like me, Trusted Poster. Do I get a badge and a hat?

                                      Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                      Chris Maunder
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                                      We have a whole separate category for you, Mick.

                                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        We have a whole separate category for you, Mick.

                                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                                        Chris Maunder wrote:

                                        We have a whole separate category for you, Mick.

                                        Legend?

                                        Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                                          We have a whole separate category for you, Mick.

                                          Legend?

                                          Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004

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                                          Chris Maunder
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                                          uh...yeah. That's exactly what I was thinking...

                                          cheers Chris Maunder

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