Education Reform Now (Part Deux)
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Yeah, we badly need education reform: online education is the way to go! Otherwise... :) Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele, Comedy Central) [^] PS. frankly, eLearning should be implemented on a mass scale long time ago: what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online? PPS. 2those who care: Part Numero Uno can be found here: Guy Stuck in History Class [^] :-D
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DrABELL wrote:
what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online?
:cough: girls :cough: Personally, I prefer to learn in a classroom, it just works better for me. The larger point is that a student should be allowed to learn in the way that works best for him. One size does not fit all.
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DrABELL wrote:
what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online?
:cough: girls :cough: Personally, I prefer to learn in a classroom, it just works better for me. The larger point is that a student should be allowed to learn in the way that works best for him. One size does not fit all.
Well, in ideal world students might be allowed to choose what they want, but in our substantially non-ideal real world a set of choices for a student in the Upper East Side Manhattan (for e.g.) is very different from the one living in distant village somewhere in Alaska. The online education is practically the only way to effectively address such sort of ZIP code differences. Plus, it’s not just “one size fits all”: online education comes in many sizes, like 1280x800, 1366x800, 1920x800, 2560x1440, etc. :-D
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DrABELL wrote:
what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online?
:cough: girls :cough: Personally, I prefer to learn in a classroom, it just works better for me. The larger point is that a student should be allowed to learn in the way that works best for him. One size does not fit all.
Well, in ideal world students might be allowed to choose what they want, but in our substantially non-ideal real world a set of choices for a student in the Upper East Side Manhattan (for e.g.) is very different from the one living in distant village somewhere in Alaska. The online education is practically the only way to effectively address such sort of ZIP code differences. Plus, it’s not just “one size fits all”: online education comes in many sizes, like 1280x800, 1366x800, 1920x800, 2560x1440, etc. :-D
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Well, in ideal world students might be allowed to choose what they want, but in our substantially non-ideal real world a set of choices for a student in the Upper East Side Manhattan (for e.g.) is very different from the one living in distant village somewhere in Alaska. The online education is practically the only way to effectively address such sort of ZIP code differences. Plus, it’s not just “one size fits all”: online education comes in many sizes, like 1280x800, 1366x800, 1920x800, 2560x1440, etc. :-D
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DrABELL wrote:
many sizes, like 1280x800, 1366x800, 1920x800, 2560x1440, etc
I see what you're saying, but that still excludes students with only a 25x80 character monochrome dumb terminus and 2400 baud MODEM and a yak.
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Yeah, we badly need education reform: online education is the way to go! Otherwise... :) Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele, Comedy Central) [^] PS. frankly, eLearning should be implemented on a mass scale long time ago: what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online? PPS. 2those who care: Part Numero Uno can be found here: Guy Stuck in History Class [^] :-D
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DrABELL wrote:
what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online?
Interactivity with the audience, full non-verbal feedback and the chance to give someone a quick personalized explanation. Or, you try to learn to paint from Bob :)
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DrABELL wrote:
many sizes, like 1280x800, 1366x800, 1920x800, 2560x1440, etc
I see what you're saying, but that still excludes students with only a 25x80 character monochrome dumb terminus and 2400 baud MODEM and a yak.
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Yeah, we badly need education reform: online education is the way to go! Otherwise... :) Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele, Comedy Central) [^] PS. frankly, eLearning should be implemented on a mass scale long time ago: what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online? PPS. 2those who care: Part Numero Uno can be found here: Guy Stuck in History Class [^] :-D
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Online: Pluses: Wide reach (suitable for countries like mine, India) with immediate delivery, ... Minuses: Procrastination ("I'll watch the video tomorrow"), Relatively more difficult evaluation, Near-impossible personalization of teaching, ... Classroom: Pluses: High degree of personalization, Less procrastination, ... Minuses: Limited reach, Bad teaching can really spoil the show, ...
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DrABELL wrote:
what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online?
Interactivity with the audience, full non-verbal feedback and the chance to give someone a quick personalized explanation. Or, you try to learn to paint from Bob :)
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Interactivity with the audience, full non-verbal feedback and the chance to give someone a quick personalized explanation.
... kinda like this (Van Halen & Twisted Sister version): Van Halen[^], Twisted Sister[^] :-D
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Online: Pluses: Wide reach (suitable for countries like mine, India) with immediate delivery, ... Minuses: Procrastination ("I'll watch the video tomorrow"), Relatively more difficult evaluation, Near-impossible personalization of teaching, ... Classroom: Pluses: High degree of personalization, Less procrastination, ... Minuses: Limited reach, Bad teaching can really spoil the show, ...
Avijnata wrote:
Bad teaching can really spoil the show, ...
Buuut... it takes only one student to point out an error and correct it for the whole class. Whereas in online, the other students may never hear about it. I know I probably came off as a bit of a know-it-all (I did know it all ; I was eighteen at the time), but there was a class I took in college where I knew a few things the teacher didn't -- he was familiar with Apple, but the college had a PDP-11. I felt it MY DUTY to provide system-specific clarification to the class.
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Online: Pluses: Wide reach (suitable for countries like mine, India) with immediate delivery, ... Minuses: Procrastination ("I'll watch the video tomorrow"), Relatively more difficult evaluation, Near-impossible personalization of teaching, ... Classroom: Pluses: High degree of personalization, Less procrastination, ... Minuses: Limited reach, Bad teaching can really spoil the show, ...
True! I'm gonna just add couple words: online education can be easily made REAL-TIME/INTERACTIVE (so called, VIRTUAL CLASSROOMS). Also: Online Education pros 1). Huge variety of topics and teachers to select 2). Comfort and Safety 3). Flexible schedule Classroom cons 1). Very unsafe and/or over-crowded in many areas 2). Public toilet hygiene issues 3). Huge transportation overhead Best regards,
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Avijnata wrote:
Bad teaching can really spoil the show, ...
Buuut... it takes only one student to point out an error and correct it for the whole class. Whereas in online, the other students may never hear about it. I know I probably came off as a bit of a know-it-all (I did know it all ; I was eighteen at the time), but there was a class I took in college where I knew a few things the teacher didn't -- he was familiar with Apple, but the college had a PDP-11. I felt it MY DUTY to provide system-specific clarification to the class.
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Yeah, we badly need education reform: online education is the way to go! Otherwise... :) Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele, Comedy Central) [^] PS. frankly, eLearning should be implemented on a mass scale long time ago: what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online? PPS. 2those who care: Part Numero Uno can be found here: Guy Stuck in History Class [^] :-D
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One of the key element in group education is the socialization experience. Maybe I should say "was" - as now, with everyone's face buried in their telephone - that apparently is no longer relevant. There's also making sure the student actually does the work.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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One of the key element in group education is the socialization experience. Maybe I should say "was" - as now, with everyone's face buried in their telephone - that apparently is no longer relevant. There's also making sure the student actually does the work.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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Yeah, we badly need education reform: online education is the way to go! Otherwise... :) Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele, Comedy Central) [^] PS. frankly, eLearning should be implemented on a mass scale long time ago: what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online? PPS. 2those who care: Part Numero Uno can be found here: Guy Stuck in History Class [^] :-D
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I did very poorly academically despite or perhaps because of being sent to a fee paying British boarding school for 10 years. It was not until during my university years when I decided to educate myself in the areas I was actually interested that I actually started to learn anything of use(I became a voracious reader of literature - Roman, Greek, Victorian and more modern works - and started to learn for once). As far as I was concerned the 10+ years of school was pretty much a complete waste of time - what I learnt at school, that was of any interest or use to me, I could probably have learnt in 6 months.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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One of the key element in group education is the socialization experience. Maybe I should say "was" - as now, with everyone's face buried in their telephone - that apparently is no longer relevant. There's also making sure the student actually does the work.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
"As far as we know, our computer has never had an undetected error." - Weisert
"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
Socialisation is good to an extent - when it becomes 'learning to conform and abide by the rules' it destroys the creative spirit and, as has been shown in many cases, young boys do better if they are not sitting down for most of the day. I remember building balsa wood aircraft with one teacher and visiting an airfield where we got to sit in a Cessna 172 and try the controls - I learnt a heck of a lot more about engineering and aeronautics through that than I did about biology through reading stuffy 1970's textbooks.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I did very poorly academically despite or perhaps because of being sent to a fee paying British boarding school for 10 years. It was not until during my university years when I decided to educate myself in the areas I was actually interested that I actually started to learn anything of use(I became a voracious reader of literature - Roman, Greek, Victorian and more modern works - and started to learn for once). As far as I was concerned the 10+ years of school was pretty much a complete waste of time - what I learnt at school, that was of any interest or use to me, I could probably have learnt in 6 months.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Time wasted at school could be huge, but not exactly 100%. Systemic education is still rather important in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) area, either it's implemented in regular classrooms, or in the virtual ones.
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Socialisation is good to an extent - when it becomes 'learning to conform and abide by the rules' it destroys the creative spirit and, as has been shown in many cases, young boys do better if they are not sitting down for most of the day. I remember building balsa wood aircraft with one teacher and visiting an airfield where we got to sit in a Cessna 172 and try the controls - I learnt a heck of a lot more about engineering and aeronautics through that than I did about biology through reading stuffy 1970's textbooks.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Yep, it's mostly true! Several decades ago I've formulated a "Learn, Practice, Apply" (LPA) educational paradigm and calculated approximate LPA time-allocation matrix for public STEM education. Pertinent to the high-school, "Apply/Practice" activities should match the 'Learn", focusing on "Learning by Doing" educational approach.
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Yeah, we badly need education reform: online education is the way to go! Otherwise... :) Substitute Teacher (Key & Peele, Comedy Central) [^] PS. frankly, eLearning should be implemented on a mass scale long time ago: what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online? PPS. 2those who care: Part Numero Uno can be found here: Guy Stuck in History Class [^] :-D
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DrABELL wrote:
PS. frankly, eLearning should be implemented on a mass scale long time ago: what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online?
I don't believe there is a one-size-fits-all solution; however, online education should certainly have a part to play but the friendships, sports and social activities that are a vitally important part of child development cannot be done online. BTW, that site of yours really shows your age! :-)
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DrABELL wrote:
PS. frankly, eLearning should be implemented on a mass scale long time ago: what is that special they are doing in the classrooms that cannot be done online?
I don't believe there is a one-size-fits-all solution; however, online education should certainly have a part to play but the friendships, sports and social activities that are a vitally important part of child development cannot be done online. BTW, that site of yours really shows your age! :-)
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'1Size fits all' already been covered in details (C'Mon, read the entire uber-comments thread :-D ): online education comes in many sizes, like 1280x800, 1366x800, 1920x800, 2560x1440, etc.
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I'm strictly 25*80. If it don't fit that, it don't fit. :)