I like Win8.1: What Would Compel Me to Upgrade?
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Unless your driver author did something elephanting retarded, and presumably declined to get WHQL certified, your 8.1 drivers should all just work in 10. A number of hardware types also offer enhanced driver models to enable extra features; but the 8.1 binaries all should still be supported. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/Dn941239%28v=VS.85%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396[^]
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I don't have any third-party hardware and my laptop was bought just 2 months ago. Dell Inspiron 5547, and it was shown Windows 10 ready laptop. There are many flaws, battery timing fell down the curve, brightness can not be handled and many more. I cannot use touch commands in Google Chrome. Sometimes they work sometimes they don't.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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No, not a while. Just a few months when Microsoft finds a good patch. I got my new laptop just 2 months ago, Dell Inspiron 5547 (if you feel yourself being curios about it) and I was notified for it being a Windows 10 ready laptop, I was also shown a reserve window and in the checklist for Windows 10 Requirements, all were checked. There was no problem with any hardware, application or framework. When I upgraded, my battery timing (that was 6 hours on 90%) fell all way down to 1 hour 45 minutes (average) on 90%. My laptop's brightness buttons do not work and I am not able to alter the brightness level at all! Many other flaws, so wait for a few months. :)
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
(that was 6 hours on 90%) fell all way down to 1 hour 45
Terrible. Terrible. Sorry about the troubles. My laptop is new(er) too. i7, 8GB ram, etc. and I have recently been very happy and amazed with my battery life of 4 hours or so. I would be so annoyed if it dropped down to 1 hour or something like that. Just terrible. Thanks for the warning.:thumbsup:
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
(that was 6 hours on 90%) fell all way down to 1 hour 45
Terrible. Terrible. Sorry about the troubles. My laptop is new(er) too. i7, 8GB ram, etc. and I have recently been very happy and amazed with my battery life of 4 hours or so. I would be so annoyed if it dropped down to 1 hour or something like that. Just terrible. Thanks for the warning.:thumbsup:
Mine is same, i7 5th gen, 16 GB RAM and the laptop was actually doing great before the upgrade. I was enjoying the system for my developmental purposes, now I have to plug it back after every 2 hours. :sigh: Anyways, it still doesn't prevent me from trying new stuff. :)
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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I suppose if the airlines can rip away our personal freedoms in the US, why not MS?
Jeremy Falcon
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
newton.saber wrote:
Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1.
Same here, so at least you know you're not alone.
Jeremy Falcon
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
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My main OS is X64 Vista Ultimate, this desktop was a tripple boot with XP,Vista,Win7 untill the Xp partition got messed up. So now I do all of my work in In Vista Now that I know it from top to bottom and I've managed to keep from doing a reinstall since,(from Win32_OperatingSystem)
InstallDate: 11/17/2009 10:10:54 PM
Neither Windows 8, 8.1, nor windows 10 has any extra features that would make me want to upgrade downgrade, even after the end of support for Vista or Windows 7. My new Windows7 laptop, I still have to go in and find and change the setting to keep it from showing so much in the "Public" folders.
I still run Vista on one of my machines and have no particular need to change it. Everything connected to it works fine, network, scanner, printer, external drives, etc. so why change?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I don't like tiles with a Desktop OS. Hence, I loathe with passion, Windows 8.1. I think Windows 10 gives you the ability to opt out of the Tiles UI - I could be wrong on this.
You can use 8.1 without going anywhere near the tiles. I've been using it at work for months. No different than Win 7. I don't miss the start menu. Never used it much with Win 7 anyway.
Kevin
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You can use 8.1 without going anywhere near the tiles. I've been using it at work for months. No different than Win 7. I don't miss the start menu. Never used it much with Win 7 anyway.
Kevin
I have learned to work with Windows 8.1 without seeing tiles for most of the time. I am also getting used to searching for apps/programs, which is good, as long as you know the name. I just hate tiles period. I think they are stupid, but that is just me. I still see tiles when I want to go to the applications list.
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I have learned to work with Windows 8.1 without seeing tiles for most of the time. I am also getting used to searching for apps/programs, which is good, as long as you know the name. I just hate tiles period. I think they are stupid, but that is just me. I still see tiles when I want to go to the applications list.
Many say the tiles are good when using Windows as a tablet. There are some who like this while hating them when they rear up in desktop mode, which they can do occasionally. I have a Windows Phone and I like them in that context but don't much care for them in desktop mode. I'm typing this on a Win 8.1 laptop but pretty much avoid the tiles altogether. I did play with them a bit when I first got it. But I don't really use it in tablet mode. I have a separate (non-Windows) tablet for such things.
Kevin
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I still run Vista on one of my machines and have no particular need to change it. Everything connected to it works fine, network, scanner, printer, external drives, etc. so why change?
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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The big problem with OS/2 wasn't the drivers - that could have been sorted - it was the "lock-in" to IBM PS/2 instead of being usable on "any PC" as DOS / Windows was. And given the price difference between a clone PC and a Genuine PS/2...people stayed away in droves! :laugh:
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OS/2 ran on any PC. I ran it on a Dell 486DX PC with 16MB of memory and 1GB of disk space (a powerful computer in its day). The PS/2 computers differed from PC clones in that they had a protected-mode BIOS (the ABIOS) that provided some features that supposedly helped OS/2 run better. As it turned out, drivers for other PCs simply implemented the same functionality in the driver, rather than the BIOS.
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Windows 10 is more "Windows 8.3" ;-)
Press F1 for help or google it. Greetings from Germany
KarstenK wrote:
more "Windows 8.3"
I agree. And one of the worst things a software company can do is update people into software that they do not like. "Here's our latest...you're going to hate it!", Sincerely MicrosoftBorg :confused:
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The only problem would be Vista only supports IE9 and not IE 10 + and alot of sites are starting to not support IE9 so an alternate would need to be used.
I use most as a printer and scanner server - and use Chrome for web-browsing - so it doesn't give me any problems. It's not my main machine anyway - it's mostly for batch video conversion jobs.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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No, there are no benefits. Take my advice, do not upgrade until Windows 10 is (at least) 6 months old. There are many drivers missing, many drivers crash and much more. Just don't.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
I'm hoping they have MS mouse drivers that are compatible with Wacom tablet drivers. Ever since I got my new computer with Win 8.1 onboard, I haven't been able to use leftmouseclick. My workaround is mousepoint-lefttabletclick. To make matters worse, leftmouseclick AND lefttabletclick are disabled in safe mode.
The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.
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You can use 8.1 without going anywhere near the tiles. I've been using it at work for months. No different than Win 7. I don't miss the start menu. Never used it much with Win 7 anyway.
Kevin
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The true question is what compelled you to upgrade to Win 8.x...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
I'll offer a non-hater answer; There's nothing wrong with 10 at all. Windows 8-8.1 was the major revamp to Windows, for better performance, security, awesome features like drive-pooling, Client-side Hyper-V etc. Windows 10 is "mostly" a UI revamp, you get all the benefits of 8.1 plus a swishy new UI. EG, even though there was nothing bad about the windows 8 startmenu (Yes I said it, I'm not a mindless hater drone, I see it's value), they did actually improve it by not having it fullscreen anymore, and integrated Cortana, which offers serious value btw. There is also Virtual Desktops similar to what's existed in Linux for a long time. You can literally have multiple desktops, and switch between them with a key combination. There is also new apps that are incredibly useful. I use the new XBOX App, it allows me to connect to my Xbox One downstairs and play games directly on my PC monitor. I'm almost always on my PC doing something so I don't really get to play my Xbox much. It's awesome doing the usual PC chores on one monitor, and have Halo or Peggle 2 on the other :) There's also the new MS Edge browser. It's brand new and has nothing to do with IE. There is a huge performance difference compared to chrome and FF, and it takes much less battery compared to those two browsers as well on a tablet or laptop. Finally, there's no driver issues at this time in win10. Even if you had hardware from a crappy vendor that didn't make their win10 drivers; It doesn't matter as every windows 8.1 driver is fully compatible with 10.
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I'll offer a non-hater answer; There's nothing wrong with 10 at all. Windows 8-8.1 was the major revamp to Windows, for better performance, security, awesome features like drive-pooling, Client-side Hyper-V etc. Windows 10 is "mostly" a UI revamp, you get all the benefits of 8.1 plus a swishy new UI. EG, even though there was nothing bad about the windows 8 startmenu (Yes I said it, I'm not a mindless hater drone, I see it's value), they did actually improve it by not having it fullscreen anymore, and integrated Cortana, which offers serious value btw. There is also Virtual Desktops similar to what's existed in Linux for a long time. You can literally have multiple desktops, and switch between them with a key combination. There is also new apps that are incredibly useful. I use the new XBOX App, it allows me to connect to my Xbox One downstairs and play games directly on my PC monitor. I'm almost always on my PC doing something so I don't really get to play my Xbox much. It's awesome doing the usual PC chores on one monitor, and have Halo or Peggle 2 on the other :) There's also the new MS Edge browser. It's brand new and has nothing to do with IE. There is a huge performance difference compared to chrome and FF, and it takes much less battery compared to those two browsers as well on a tablet or laptop. Finally, there's no driver issues at this time in win10. Even if you had hardware from a crappy vendor that didn't make their win10 drivers; It doesn't matter as every windows 8.1 driver is fully compatible with 10.
I do not hate! Windows 8.x. I just think it was a bad move - and Windows 10 is only an upgrade for that (means removes some wrongly forced features)... All I say, that there is nothing in Windows 8.x or 10 that justifies an upgrade (not to say 3 version numbers)...
Greyze wrote:
It's brand new and has nothing to do with IE.
Except of course the rendering and JavaSCript engine...Those are not more than forks and updates of Trident and Chakra...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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And you do no want to compelle a second time...:-) But seriously - 8.1 was a good fix fo 8, which was terrible... Windows 10 is even better fix for 8...But if it works for you, do not upgrade...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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Have to agree 8.0 was a pile of steaming ... 8.1 fixed the really bad bits to make it usable. I may have to hang my head in shame, but I quite like 8.1
No shame there - you have all the right to like what you like and do what you do. Do not hurt others...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
