I like Win8.1: What Would Compel Me to Upgrade?
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I do not hate! Windows 8.x. I just think it was a bad move - and Windows 10 is only an upgrade for that (means removes some wrongly forced features)... All I say, that there is nothing in Windows 8.x or 10 that justifies an upgrade (not to say 3 version numbers)...
Greyze wrote:
It's brand new and has nothing to do with IE.
Except of course the rendering and JavaSCript engine...Those are not more than forks and updates of Trident and Chakra...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
I've realised that the one "good", one "bad", version of windows is actually quite a smart little marketing ploy by Microsoft. Fair enough the 8.0 was bad and needed 8.1, but I think that We all know lots of people hate change. So when MS need to move the tech behind windows on, it's always going to meet with a lot of resistance, be that founded, or as usual totally unfounded. Now what do MS do, the roll out a new version that takes the tech (and UI) changes to the extreme, the vocal change haters jump up and down and declare it the worst move ever. Shortly after, out come the next "all new" version of Windows, which is pretty much the same tech everyone hated, but with the changes reigned in a little, and now everyone loves it. Voilà, MS gets their tech upgrad out, and most people are happy with it.
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I've realised that the one "good", one "bad", version of windows is actually quite a smart little marketing ploy by Microsoft. Fair enough the 8.0 was bad and needed 8.1, but I think that We all know lots of people hate change. So when MS need to move the tech behind windows on, it's always going to meet with a lot of resistance, be that founded, or as usual totally unfounded. Now what do MS do, the roll out a new version that takes the tech (and UI) changes to the extreme, the vocal change haters jump up and down and declare it the worst move ever. Shortly after, out come the next "all new" version of Windows, which is pretty much the same tech everyone hated, but with the changes reigned in a little, and now everyone loves it. Voilà, MS gets their tech upgrad out, and most people are happy with it.
Totally right...The only problem lately is that people have the choice...so if Microsoft pushes too far it can lose a lot...Users may convert to other OS or stay with the still working previous version...In both cases Microsoft lose all the money invested into a product no-one wants...
Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.
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You can use 8.1 without going anywhere near the tiles. I've been using it at work for months. No different than Win 7. I don't miss the start menu. Never used it much with Win 7 anyway.
Kevin
I like a few of the features of a "classic" menu (ability to send items to the desktop, overall organization, etc.) For 8.1 I just installed an item called "Start8" from Stardock. All of $5 and works flawlessly. I see the "Metro" screen only when I want to which is usually to start up a game of "Words with Friends" or something.... otherwise the thing is Win7 improved and the slightly flattened GUI isn't any problem. Starts at desktop. Solid release. Sticking to it.
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You can use 8.1 without going anywhere near the tiles. I've been using it at work for months. No different than Win 7. I don't miss the start menu. Never used it much with Win 7 anyway.
Kevin
So it sounds like everyone's argument for why Win 8.x is great is because you can ignore all the crappy 8.x features and treat it like Win 7. It's like saying spinach is great because you don't have to eat it. If you ever do want to use an app built for Win 8.x, you better have a lot of spare time. Since solitaire is basically a time killer anyway, I guess it shouldn't matter that it take 10 tries and 30 minutes just to open the app. And they should have named it Window, because you can't have more than one. If you toggle away from a Win 8 app and try to go back, that app will crash. I'm just hoping Win 10 is to Win 8 as Win 7 was to Vista.
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So it sounds like everyone's argument for why Win 8.x is great is because you can ignore all the crappy 8.x features and treat it like Win 7. It's like saying spinach is great because you don't have to eat it. If you ever do want to use an app built for Win 8.x, you better have a lot of spare time. Since solitaire is basically a time killer anyway, I guess it shouldn't matter that it take 10 tries and 30 minutes just to open the app. And they should have named it Window, because you can't have more than one. If you toggle away from a Win 8 app and try to go back, that app will crash. I'm just hoping Win 10 is to Win 8 as Win 7 was to Vista.
Member 8234661 wrote:
So it sounds like everyone's argument for why Win 8.x is great is because you can ignore all the crappy 8.x features and treat it like Win 7. It's like saying spinach is great because you don't have to eat it.
Not quite. It's more like this... My meal plate has steak, potatoes, mixed vegetables and spinach. I like the first three and not the last, so I just eat the first three. Maybe the spinach should not be there but I can ignore it. But if the spinach was "mixed in" with the other three then it would be a major regression.
Kevin
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Newton, I am of the exact same opinion. It's not that there's patently anything wrong with Windows 10, I played with the preview for quite awhile. The reason I don't move is the same as yours, the fact that there just isn't anything in the product that compels me to perform an upgrade which could potentially break my systems. I haven't found even ONE feature that stands out and says to me "this will assist in your work" or "this will fix ---- problem". To me, at the present time, it would be nothing but "playing" with the configuration of a well running system. Seriously. Same thing with all my other machines running 7. As for the intrusion part? Yeah, that's a concern too, but mainly it's the "it ain't broke, why fix it?" thinking that stopped me. -CM
Great summary of the entire situation. 100% agree.
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
After I got everything I used on the desktop, except Kendal, what was left was an imitation of 7 on an 8.1 machine without the start button. There was a lot less hacking around to get Windows 10 to do what I want. A pro would not have any trouble adapting to 10. My friend Sam will take lots of hand holding when he loses his Win 7 machine. In short 10's start button makes the operating system way easier. Yes who ever called me a loser for not loving Rust I'm sure you won't love this either.
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
I guess it really depends upon the features you want to use. Almost all the changes from 8.1 to 10 are totally useless to me so the only reason I did the update was because it was free. Here's the 4 main 'features' that I turned off/disabled on Windows 10. 1) New Start Menu. I don't like the implementation. I always organize my start menu and that's not really feasible with the Windows 10 Start Menu (no hierarchy). Also, there's a fairly low hard limit on how many items you can have on the Windows 10 Start Menu. I'll just stick with Classic Shell. 2) Cortana. I have no interest in talking to my computer and I've never had the best results with Bing search. I also don't want a search on my local machine to also search the web. You can disable it (and I did). 3) Privacy! In Windows 10, the default is to opt in to sharing on almost everything. If you like your privacy, you've got a lot of options to change. 4) Virtual Desktops. Hm, I've got them on my linux box but never use them so I doubt I'll be using them on my Windows 10 box. I basically hide the 'task view button' to regain real state on the task bar.
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I guess it really depends upon the features you want to use. Almost all the changes from 8.1 to 10 are totally useless to me so the only reason I did the update was because it was free. Here's the 4 main 'features' that I turned off/disabled on Windows 10. 1) New Start Menu. I don't like the implementation. I always organize my start menu and that's not really feasible with the Windows 10 Start Menu (no hierarchy). Also, there's a fairly low hard limit on how many items you can have on the Windows 10 Start Menu. I'll just stick with Classic Shell. 2) Cortana. I have no interest in talking to my computer and I've never had the best results with Bing search. I also don't want a search on my local machine to also search the web. You can disable it (and I did). 3) Privacy! In Windows 10, the default is to opt in to sharing on almost everything. If you like your privacy, you've got a lot of options to change. 4) Virtual Desktops. Hm, I've got them on my linux box but never use them so I doubt I'll be using them on my Windows 10 box. I basically hide the 'task view button' to regain real state on the task bar.
A great summary of what is out there on Win10. Yep, I don't care about any of it. I'm running a Win7 VM and I had uninstalled the GWX (get windows 10) installation update. Mysteriously, it is now back and running and it runs again every time I restart the VM even though it tells me my video card wont' upgrad to win 10 anyway. Total debacle!! And there's no Ballmer to blame any more. :-D
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
I find it interesting that all the talk is on the UI changes. Nothing about how MS is trying to make the OS a service and the collection of our data. Yes you can talk about Facebook and Google and how they already do it. That does not make it right. I personally do not use Facebook it escapes me why I would want to put my dirty laundry out for all to see. Google I do use but limited I sure do not use Gmail and I sure will not do any banking on a Google OS.
Buckrogerz
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
that's the craziest f***ing thing i ever heard.
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
So you feel good, I use Windows 8.1 at home and aside from a few quirks, prefer it over Windows 7. I'd upgrade my Windows 7 work computer to Windows 10, but it's a laptop, which are notorious for not having drivers for all the little things, like the touch pad.
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Yeah, the Pi is great... Well, the Pi 2B, actually... Just got it last week. Trouble is, I haven't managed to think of anything useful to do with it yet. Really just bought it because I was having a really depressing week and needed to take my mind off things... But hey, I have a server running 24/7 in my apartment, using about as much electricity as a cell phone... I'm sure I'll think of something cool to do with it.
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels)I have my Raspberry Pi running as a server, running minidlna for streaming to my TV, SFTP for "cloud" storage, and shellinabox for CLI (and causing panic in people who think I'm hacking their computer from within a browser). I've had the opposite experience, running a laptop with Ubuntu (Gnome 3 for myself as a WM, and MATE for my wife), with a partition for Windows 8.1 that hardly ever gets booted.
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
I much prefer Shutdown/Restart/Logoff in Win10 I like the Option of windowed WinRT Apps in Win10 I really like the Quick Access files instead of Favorites of Win10 I like to prospect of Future Sandboxed desktop software from the store that will come with Win10 I like Cortana I like the Edge Browser. I like distributed Windows Updates so all my computers get updates faster sharing from my LAN That's a few reasons I upgraded to Win10 I don't like One Drive as much in Win10 but that is the only thing not better.
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
I don't see what prevent you to upgrade?! Win10 is very much the same the Win8 except: - performance is even better - Windows Store App works seamless as desktop App now (if you like) - (if you like): use tablet mode: everything is fullscreen again!
All in one Menu-Ribbon Bar DirectX for WinRT/C# since 2013! Taking over the world since 1371!
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You are right! I've already installed Windows 10 and rolled back to 8.1 over the weekend. The problem I encountered was that if you have a Cisco VPN client, it will destroy the networking stack in Windows 10; which means no Internet, no network connectivity.
AFAIR the Cisco VPN client was late to W8, too. It is as amazing piece of engineering as Nikon Capture NX is - new main version for every new OS release both on Windows and Mac.
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
I have a naive statistics app developed in Delphi 7. It does a lot of memory allocations and file readings during the startup. It starts faster on W10+HDD than on W7+SSD.
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
Nothing really. For someone comfortable with the level of intrusion in Win 8, Win 10 won't bring you too much extra joy or sorrow. I personally am fine in Win 7, without the useless store, tiles, metro apps and whatnot from Win 8, but that's just me. Being a free upgrade, people will migrate without thinking, and us developers will have to satisfy their needs for apps. More work for us! Yupeeeeee!
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Don't feel bad, I agree with you. 8.1 is solid, there's really nothing wrong with it.
I also really like Windows 8 and am wondering if there is any good reason to upgrade...
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Yep, I said it out loud. I like Windows 8.1. I develop on it and it works great for me so why would I even care about Windows 10? Seriously, are there any benefits? Mostly what it sounds like I get is MORE INTRUSION from MICROSOFT. Anyone? Anyone?
I'm still running Windows XP on my PC. I do use newer systems on client computers, but I am reluctant to upgrade at all. Why? First of all, I like Office 2003, especially as I am so comfortable drawing complex diagrams with it and I find getting used to newer Office versions a bit awkward, especially with those infuriating Ribbons of Death. Also, every time I go to PC World the reps put me off buying a PC by trying to convince me to add on so much stuff I don't need, or by trying to flog me a pre-built PC that doesn't ideally meet my specifications. I just keep walking away empty-handed. Bonus: I can watch more Youtube videos than most users of more modern (i.e. more censored) systems. Problem: I can't run much in the way of VS software, but then the free versions were a bit deficient anyway, which has added momentum to my move to Java, though I can't use Netbeans 8. Additional problem: Windows put me off with all that Metro rubbish and its clunky 'touchscreen' icons - I want a PC OS not some hybrid. I will upgrade eventually, but I am reluctant.
