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    Sander Rossel
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    Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

    Regards, Sander

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      You might ask the oracle... :rolleyes:

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        You might ask the oracle... :rolleyes:

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        Sander Rossel
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        They should've called it Miracle instead. It's a Miracle anyone can get work done with this crap ;p I'm sure it'll get better as I figure this out...

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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          OriginalGriff
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          Sander Rossel wrote:

          Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides?

          Tips and guides[^] ;)

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
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          • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

            Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

            Regards, Sander

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            Brittle1618
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            Been using oracle at work since the last 7 months, and I feel satisfied. No idea about

            Sander Rossel wrote:

            "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs"

            I developed the database of my final year project in SQL server, it was pretty good. But haven't used SQL server on professional level yet. But yeah it's very difficult to search for the solution of oracle problems on internet, you rarely find anything except the hell lengthy and descriptive oracle documentation, which you just damn hate to read :sigh:

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              GuyThiebaut
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              I moved from SQL Server to Oracle for around 4 years and am back on SQL Server now. There are differences although the differences are not that big nowadays as SQL Server has come closer to Oracle. The hardest part for me was discovering that many Oracle developers tend to have a preference for non-ANSI joins. Get yourself a book on PL/SQL clicketty[^] and you should be fine.

              “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

              ― Christopher Hitchens

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              • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                Regards, Sander

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                Stefto
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                Sander Rossel wrote:

                I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)

                aaaah! so thats what PL stands for!

                #region(start signature) Life's like a nose, you've got to get out of it whats in it! \#endregion

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                • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                  Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                  Regards, Sander

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                  I actually prefer Oracle to SQL Server, hands down. I just wish Oracle was able to integrate with Visual Studio at the same level SQL Server does. Anyhow, PL SQL is awesome stuff when done correctly, and used correctly. BTW, you can use Entity Framework with Oracle, you just need to install the Visual Studio tools for Oracle.

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    For years I used Oracle and SQL Server interchangeably, there are slight differences in certain things (like wildcard character), but otherwise, I really like Oracle. I strongly recommend Toad[^] for a decent tool to work with Oracle. Marc

                    Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                      For years I used Oracle and SQL Server interchangeably, there are slight differences in certain things (like wildcard character), but otherwise, I really like Oracle. I strongly recommend Toad[^] for a decent tool to work with Oracle. Marc

                      Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                      +1 for Toad - invaluable !

                      PooperPig - Coming Soon

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                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                        Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                        Regards, Sander

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                        If you use the unix command line, installing gqlplus will make your life easier. http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

                        Treading on the toes of giants . . .

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                        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                          Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                          Regards, Sander

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                          Congratulations! You are talking job security well into your 80's!:rose:

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                            Congratulations! You are talking job security well into your 80's!:rose:

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                            Sander Rossel
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                            Vivic wrote:

                            job security well into your 80's

                            Might as well do some COBOL then :laugh:

                            Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                            Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                            Regards, Sander

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                              If you use the unix command line, installing gqlplus will make your life easier. http://gqlplus.sourceforge.net/

                              Treading on the toes of giants . . .

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                              I'm not doing anything Unix and I try to avoid command lines as much as possible on any OS ;)

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                                For years I used Oracle and SQL Server interchangeably, there are slight differences in certain things (like wildcard character), but otherwise, I really like Oracle. I strongly recommend Toad[^] for a decent tool to work with Oracle. Marc

                                Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!

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                                Yeah, I looked at Toad, but it's not cheap... My company has their own in-house editor of which they're very proud, so there's no way they're going to buy some external editor. I didn't like the in-house one though, so I downloaded the free Oracle SQL Developer[^] which is a step in the right direction :)

                                Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                Regards, Sander

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                                  Vivic wrote:

                                  job security well into your 80's

                                  Might as well do some COBOL then :laugh:

                                  Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                  Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                  Regards, Sander

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                                  But then you will not be stark raving mad! :laugh:

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                                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                    Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

                                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                    Regards, Sander

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                                    Sorry, I have no advice but have read some of your articles. :thumbsup: I have no doubt you'll pick it up quickly! Great opportunity to broaden your skillset. Have fun! :)

                                    "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                      Sorry, I have no advice but have read some of your articles. :thumbsup: I have no doubt you'll pick it up quickly! Great opportunity to broaden your skillset. Have fun! :)

                                      "Go forth into the source" - Neal Morse

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                                      Sander Rossel
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                                      kmoorevs wrote:

                                      Sorry, I have no advice but have read some of your articles. :thumbsup: I have no doubt you'll pick it up quickly!

                                      Thanks, that's awesome! :D It's pretty fun to see something beside SQL Server indeed. And Oracle will spice up the ol' resume :D

                                      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                      Regards, Sander

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                                      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                                        Going from SQL Server to Oracle. Say goodbye to good tooling. Say goodbye to civilized (T-)SQL (I think the PL in PL/SQL means Oracle outsourced the language to some cheap Polish labor... (no offence to Polish people)). Say hello to steep learning curve. All in all I just miss SQL Server. Any "surviving Oracle for SQL Server devs" tips or guides? :sigh:

                                        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                        Regards, Sander

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                                        It's strange you worry about T-SQL/PL-SQL at all! It's atavism from 70-th. Nowadays application server does it much better, so on database side you leave just tables and SQL requests - they are "almost compatible" across all databases.

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                                          It's strange you worry about T-SQL/PL-SQL at all! It's atavism from 70-th. Nowadays application server does it much better, so on database side you leave just tables and SQL requests - they are "almost compatible" across all databases.

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                                          Sander Rossel
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                                          Yeah, but how to make the tables, procedures, etc. It's quite a difference. Oracle has procedures which can't return a result, only output parameters, while in SQL Server a procedure is like Oracle's procedure and function in one and SQL Servers function is quite different from the Oracle function... etc. etc. :) And I just found out Oracle doesn't know the bit/boolean type... :wtf: And while an application server might do it better a database will generally do it faster ;)

                                          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                                          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                                          Regards, Sander

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