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    I have XP home on a new laptop I bought vs W2K on my desktop. Quite frankly, even when I have it in 'Classic' mode it still annoys the pants off me (particualrly that dog in the search bar of explorer... I am being petty I know... does MS think that animated pooches are an important design feature? (Maybe post this question to the Annoy-me-by-popping-up-all-the-sodding-time-animations Division in MS)). So I am now toying with downgrading back to W2K. I have the disk so would MS do me a 'downgrade licence'? Could I get some money back of them since (in their eyes) I am trading in a brand new Fiat Multipla (Here[^]) for second hand, used-but-does-the-job landie (here[^]) whaddya reckon? www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.

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      I have XP home on a new laptop I bought vs W2K on my desktop. Quite frankly, even when I have it in 'Classic' mode it still annoys the pants off me (particualrly that dog in the search bar of explorer... I am being petty I know... does MS think that animated pooches are an important design feature? (Maybe post this question to the Annoy-me-by-popping-up-all-the-sodding-time-animations Division in MS)). So I am now toying with downgrading back to W2K. I have the disk so would MS do me a 'downgrade licence'? Could I get some money back of them since (in their eyes) I am trading in a brand new Fiat Multipla (Here[^]) for second hand, used-but-does-the-job landie (here[^]) whaddya reckon? www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.

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      adamUK wrote: Could I get some money back of them since (in their eyes) I am trading in a brand new Fiat Multipla (Here[^]) for second hand, used-but-does-the-job landie (here[^]) I don't think that this is the case. You are trading a new Twingo for an old "does-the-job-landie". IMHO there isn't even an upgrade option W2k->XP home, so this doesn't seem to be an improvement even in MS sense (W2k does a lot more after all). An if your XP is OEM I wouldn't think that there existed a downgrade option, but I could be seriously wrong here... Cheers Martin

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        adamUK wrote: Could I get some money back of them since (in their eyes) I am trading in a brand new Fiat Multipla (Here[^]) for second hand, used-but-does-the-job landie (here[^]) I don't think that this is the case. You are trading a new Twingo for an old "does-the-job-landie". IMHO there isn't even an upgrade option W2k->XP home, so this doesn't seem to be an improvement even in MS sense (W2k does a lot more after all). An if your XP is OEM I wouldn't think that there existed a downgrade option, but I could be seriously wrong here... Cheers Martin

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        Whoa, whats this? Why was the last post listed as "Anonymous"? This was me (Martin Häsemeyer) after all?? Then I signed out, and wanted to sign back in: didn't work and was awfully slow... Is it because of the newsletters being send? Cheers :confused: Martin "Situation normal - all fu***d up" Illuminatus! http://www.martin-haesemeyer.de

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          I have XP home on a new laptop I bought vs W2K on my desktop. Quite frankly, even when I have it in 'Classic' mode it still annoys the pants off me (particualrly that dog in the search bar of explorer... I am being petty I know... does MS think that animated pooches are an important design feature? (Maybe post this question to the Annoy-me-by-popping-up-all-the-sodding-time-animations Division in MS)). So I am now toying with downgrading back to W2K. I have the disk so would MS do me a 'downgrade licence'? Could I get some money back of them since (in their eyes) I am trading in a brand new Fiat Multipla (Here[^]) for second hand, used-but-does-the-job landie (here[^]) whaddya reckon? www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.

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          Umm in short no. MS would not be caught dead giving incentives to people to downgrade. It works the other way though :) And I agree about the dog, actually the whole search mechanism. Was relieved to read in the next Windows the Search options list has been replaced by one text box. If anyone knows how to default to the "All files and folders" option and without the dog, you get a noddy badge from me :-D

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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            Umm in short no. MS would not be caught dead giving incentives to people to downgrade. It works the other way though :) And I agree about the dog, actually the whole search mechanism. Was relieved to read in the next Windows the Search options list has been replaced by one text box. If anyone knows how to default to the "All files and folders" option and without the dog, you get a noddy badge from me :-D

            Paul Watson
            Bluegrass
            Cape Town, South Africa

            Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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            You can deactivate the dog IMHO: In my WinXP Prof (German version! Don't know the exact translation) its: Click Preferences in the seach window ("Bevorzugte Einstellungen ändern") - > Don't use animated figure ("Animierte Figur nicht verwenden"). That should do the job, or doesnt it work? Cheers Martin "Situation normal - all fu***d up" Illuminatus! http://www.martin-haesemeyer.de

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              You can deactivate the dog IMHO: In my WinXP Prof (German version! Don't know the exact translation) its: Click Preferences in the seach window ("Bevorzugte Einstellungen ändern") - > Don't use animated figure ("Animierte Figur nicht verwenden"). That should do the job, or doesnt it work? Cheers Martin "Situation normal - all fu***d up" Illuminatus! http://www.martin-haesemeyer.de

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              I had managed to switch off the dog awhile back, but it still brought up the stupid "What do you wan't to search for?" list. However your reply twigged me on to the Change Preferences \ Change Files and Folders Search Behavouir \ Advanced setting which now skips all the other chaff. Wooohooo! Thanks Martin.

              Paul Watson
              Bluegrass
              Cape Town, South Africa

              Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                I had managed to switch off the dog awhile back, but it still brought up the stupid "What do you wan't to search for?" list. However your reply twigged me on to the Change Preferences \ Change Files and Folders Search Behavouir \ Advanced setting which now skips all the other chaff. Wooohooo! Thanks Martin.

                Paul Watson
                Bluegrass
                Cape Town, South Africa

                Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                Glad I could help! "Situation normal - all fu***d up" Illuminatus! http://www.martin-haesemeyer.de

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                  I had managed to switch off the dog awhile back, but it still brought up the stupid "What do you wan't to search for?" list. However your reply twigged me on to the Change Preferences \ Change Files and Folders Search Behavouir \ Advanced setting which now skips all the other chaff. Wooohooo! Thanks Martin.

                  Paul Watson
                  Bluegrass
                  Cape Town, South Africa

                  Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                  Who was it who posted about them saying to microsoft in an interview. Q: "What would be one thing you would change in Windows?" A: "A button that would disable all the automatic crap" :laugh:


                  "If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
                  - Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
                  "But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
                  - C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03


                  Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]

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                    Whoa, whats this? Why was the last post listed as "Anonymous"? This was me (Martin Häsemeyer) after all?? Then I signed out, and wanted to sign back in: didn't work and was awfully slow... Is it because of the newsletters being send? Cheers :confused: Martin "Situation normal - all fu***d up" Illuminatus! http://www.martin-haesemeyer.de

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                    was the: Cheers Martin section of the post your sig? Cos when Paul replied to a post of mine, he was made anonymous and his sig wasn't there.


                    "If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
                    - Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
                    "But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
                    - C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03


                    Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]

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                      Who was it who posted about them saying to microsoft in an interview. Q: "What would be one thing you would change in Windows?" A: "A button that would disable all the automatic crap" :laugh:


                      "If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
                      - Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
                      "But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
                      - C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03


                      Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]

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                      Jonny Newman wrote: A: "A button that would disable all the automatic crap" :laugh: That would be cool. During Windows install they should have a "I am hardcore, turn off the crap" option.

                      Paul Watson
                      Bluegrass
                      Cape Town, South Africa

                      Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                        was the: Cheers Martin section of the post your sig? Cos when Paul replied to a post of mine, he was made anonymous and his sig wasn't there.


                        "If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
                        - Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
                        "But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
                        - C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03


                        Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]

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                        Jonny Newman wrote: section of the post your sig? Cos when Paul replied to a post of mine, he was made anonymous and his sig wasn't there I doubt it is anyone's sigs fault. When it happens I can see as I am posting that it has not recognised me. Probably a web-farm or capacity issue. I remember a client of ours recently was too cheap to buy the SSL certificate for the their .com domain, so we had to use their .co.uk domain certificate. Thing was the site had e-commerce. You would choose all your items, register, login etc. all on the .com domain and you were tracked via a cookie. All very normal and standard. But then when it came to checkout and we had to turn SSL on the person swapped from the blah.com domain to the blah.co.uk domain. What a hassle; All the cookies had to be copied over (using a querystring, oh so safe) and that included any Session objects. Highly annoying and introduced more than a few bugs. Probably cost them more in our fees than it would have to have just bought the damned certificate. Plus some customers stopped half way through the checkout because they noticed the domain change and thought they were being hijacked. Note to clients; You pay us because we are the professionals. Listen to us, sometimes, please!

                        Paul Watson
                        Bluegrass
                        Cape Town, South Africa

                        Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                          I have XP home on a new laptop I bought vs W2K on my desktop. Quite frankly, even when I have it in 'Classic' mode it still annoys the pants off me (particualrly that dog in the search bar of explorer... I am being petty I know... does MS think that animated pooches are an important design feature? (Maybe post this question to the Annoy-me-by-popping-up-all-the-sodding-time-animations Division in MS)). So I am now toying with downgrading back to W2K. I have the disk so would MS do me a 'downgrade licence'? Could I get some money back of them since (in their eyes) I am trading in a brand new Fiat Multipla (Here[^]) for second hand, used-but-does-the-job landie (here[^]) whaddya reckon? www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.

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                          Downgrade licenses are usually not included with "shelf" products. They are, however, if you purchase them via OpenLicense


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                            Jonny Newman wrote: A: "A button that would disable all the automatic crap" :laugh: That would be cool. During Windows install they should have a "I am hardcore, turn off the crap" option.

                            Paul Watson
                            Bluegrass
                            Cape Town, South Africa

                            Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                            Paul Watson wrote: During Windows install they should have a "I am hardcore, turn off the crap" option. :-D Anyway, i've got a play rehearsal to attend. I'm stage left manager and I still haven't a clue what the play is about. :~


                            "If you just say porn then you get all manner of chaff and low grade stuff."
                            - Paul Watson, Lounge 25 Mar 03
                            "But a fresh install - it's like having clean sheets"
                            - C. Maunder Lounge 3 Mar '03


                            Jonathan 'nonny' Newman Homepage [www.nonny.com] [^]

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                              I have XP home on a new laptop I bought vs W2K on my desktop. Quite frankly, even when I have it in 'Classic' mode it still annoys the pants off me (particualrly that dog in the search bar of explorer... I am being petty I know... does MS think that animated pooches are an important design feature? (Maybe post this question to the Annoy-me-by-popping-up-all-the-sodding-time-animations Division in MS)). So I am now toying with downgrading back to W2K. I have the disk so would MS do me a 'downgrade licence'? Could I get some money back of them since (in their eyes) I am trading in a brand new Fiat Multipla (Here[^]) for second hand, used-but-does-the-job landie (here[^]) whaddya reckon? www.beachwizard.com/travelogue[^] "I spent a lot of my money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered" George Best.

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                              Download the TweakUI powertoy from Microsoft. From there, you can just check the box to use classic search (W2K) in explorer and IE.

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                                Umm in short no. MS would not be caught dead giving incentives to people to downgrade. It works the other way though :) And I agree about the dog, actually the whole search mechanism. Was relieved to read in the next Windows the Search options list has been replaced by one text box. If anyone knows how to default to the "All files and folders" option and without the dog, you get a noddy badge from me :-D

                                Paul Watson
                                Bluegrass
                                Cape Town, South Africa

                                Macbeth muttered: I am in blood / Stepped in so far, that should I wade no more, / Returning were as tedious as go o'er DavidW wrote: You are totally mad. Nice.

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                                Mustafa Demirhan
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                                You can use Tweak UI for Windows XP (available free from MS Download site) to remove that dog. You can also select the old-style search facility from TweakUI and everthing will be as good as it used to be in W2K :) Mustafa Demirhan http://www.macroangel.com Sonork ID 100.9935:zoltrix

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