I used to look forward to a new version of Windows...
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XP was a great improvement over 3.1. I skipped the stuff inbetween then and was happy to upgrade to W7. But I definitely loathed the new Metro look of W8, and I'm really reluctant to install W10. And since I have updates disabled, I haven't been bothered with pesky notices, downloads, and all that crap. In fact, I bought a nice new laptop a couple weeks ago and opted for W7. It did come with a thumb drive to upgrade to W10, it's sitting somewhere on my desk getting dusty. So I wonder, what has happened that I'm just not looking forward to upgrading? How did Microsoft kill my enthusiasm? (Well, Metro is one answer.) Marc
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I'm with you on this. My brother upgraded to W10 a week or so ago and just today reverted back to 8.1. I was excited when I heard W10 was coming out I though maybe they had learned enough from 8 that mistakes would not be made but the more I hear and see of 10 the more disappointed I become and the closer I am to moving to Ubuntu. I would hate to do that as everything I've done over the last nn years has been either DEC or Windows and we all know where DEC went, proving that no one is exempt from failure.
New version: WinHeist Version 2.1.1 new web site. I know the voices in my head are not real but damn they come up with some good ideas!
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XP was a great improvement over 3.1. I skipped the stuff inbetween then and was happy to upgrade to W7. But I definitely loathed the new Metro look of W8, and I'm really reluctant to install W10. And since I have updates disabled, I haven't been bothered with pesky notices, downloads, and all that crap. In fact, I bought a nice new laptop a couple weeks ago and opted for W7. It did come with a thumb drive to upgrade to W10, it's sitting somewhere on my desk getting dusty. So I wonder, what has happened that I'm just not looking forward to upgrading? How did Microsoft kill my enthusiasm? (Well, Metro is one answer.) Marc
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In my case, Marc, I've settled on 8.1 for my desktop development system and W7 everywhere else on my network. Like you, I didn't care much for "Metro" but it doesn't bother me with 8.1 - I just let it boot straight to desktop and us Start8 as the menu system. 8.1 performs fine. I'm not planning to go to 10 unless I buy a new piece of equipment and it already comes loaded on it or something. Upgrading the OS used to be something I did for fun but, to be honest, I'm tired of doing all that. It's very distracting. I would spend days fiddling with the OS instead of writing software. The stuff I write runs in the desktop or in a web browser; any version of Windows desktop will run my stuff (XP and up, yes I've even checked out 10 in a VM to make sure it still does). In evaluating whether or not to upgrade I basically asked the question: "How will it enhance any of the work I'm doing?". I have not seen even one feature of the new system that would make me justify the time and risk of breaking anything. I had people say to me "but it's new!" and "but it's free!" ... neither of which amounts to a hill of beans as far as I'm concerned. Am I against Windows 10? No ... I'm just done fiddling with the platform that's all. I just want the thing to work. I understand that 8.1 is going to be officially supported until 2023 (and won't just "break" after that) so I'm not particularly worried about this right now. I need to be about my business and doing this upgrade crap all the time ain't going to get that done. I'm not "anti progress" at all, I'm just sick of "pulling the rug" out just because they make one of a different color. As far as my work is concerned I can't tell you of one feature that has appeared since XP that particularly enhances my ability to get the job I'm doing done. I could literally take the tools I have, return to XP and operate as well as I do under my present system. Quite honestly, IMHO, a lot of this is smoke and mirrors at this point. Yeah, yeah ... we're developing these things like voice technology and we can handle photo and video now but we're BASICALLY doing the same stuff with this technology that we have always done; communicate and process information. (Besides, I don't want my computer talking to me! I barely use the voice stuff on my iPhone as it is). Well, enough of that - I have a project I need to go work on (that can only run on about 4 billion machines right now) so worry about upgrading my platform is something I'll just set aside for awhil
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To me, XP and Win7 got it right, because all I needed was simple desktop, start menu and file manager. I didn't use any of the other stuff anyway, and in those systems the rest was fairy unobtrusive. A simple stripped down OS suits me just fine. On top of that I can install applications that are specifically designed for the purpose they are to serve, not MS implementations of the stuff. I find that MS keep making the mistake of giving us features they think we want, rather than what we actually need. Who really needs Cortana in a desktop for instance?
Who needs Cortana in a desktop? Uh, me. Apparently you haven't used it. It has a LOT to offer. But keep using your antiquated OS. Ignore all the progress around you. Meanwhile, I'll be doing things sort of like StarTrek envisioned. I just said, "Hey Cortana launch Insteon" and she told me she was launching Insteon Hub. And up it came. Quicker than moving my hands off the keyboard to touch the touchpad and do a some clicking. And there is a LOT of other things it does. Just to mention one from yesterday. I ordered something from Amazon. Received a confirmation email from Amazon that contained the tracking number. Later, when I popped up the Cortana UI, there was an item that asked me if I wanted to check the status of my UPS package using the tracking number. Pretty cool stuff that isn't in XP or Win7. And in time, there will be a lot more interesting new things.
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Who needs Cortana in a desktop? Uh, me. Apparently you haven't used it. It has a LOT to offer. But keep using your antiquated OS. Ignore all the progress around you. Meanwhile, I'll be doing things sort of like StarTrek envisioned. I just said, "Hey Cortana launch Insteon" and she told me she was launching Insteon Hub. And up it came. Quicker than moving my hands off the keyboard to touch the touchpad and do a some clicking. And there is a LOT of other things it does. Just to mention one from yesterday. I ordered something from Amazon. Received a confirmation email from Amazon that contained the tracking number. Later, when I popped up the Cortana UI, there was an item that asked me if I wanted to check the status of my UPS package using the tracking number. Pretty cool stuff that isn't in XP or Win7. And in time, there will be a lot more interesting new things.
While I have Win 10 sitting in my inbox ready to be installed (currently running Win 7), I hesitate to make the switch given the intrusiveness of MS's latest OS. While the author seems to like the fact Cortana asks if they want to check on the status of their order, I personally don't like the fact that MS is gathering all this information about my on line activity as well as who knows what other information they gather. They certainly aren't talking. For me the decision is to move away from MS and on to something else. Possibly a linux distro.
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While I have Win 10 sitting in my inbox ready to be installed (currently running Win 7), I hesitate to make the switch given the intrusiveness of MS's latest OS. While the author seems to like the fact Cortana asks if they want to check on the status of their order, I personally don't like the fact that MS is gathering all this information about my on line activity as well as who knows what other information they gather. They certainly aren't talking. For me the decision is to move away from MS and on to something else. Possibly a linux distro.
No one said that Microsoft was "gathering all this information". There seem to be a lot of people that are paranoid lately. Cortana on the local machine looks at my local email and offers to help. Cortana is configurable. If you don't want it to help you out, you can turn that feature off in Cortana's settings. (I don't remember, but off may have been the default). But even if they did gather the information, it doesn't bother me. You say "They certainly aren't talking". There is quite a bit of information about how things work regarding privacy here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/Default.aspx[^]
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XP was a great improvement over 3.1. I skipped the stuff inbetween then and was happy to upgrade to W7. But I definitely loathed the new Metro look of W8, and I'm really reluctant to install W10. And since I have updates disabled, I haven't been bothered with pesky notices, downloads, and all that crap. In fact, I bought a nice new laptop a couple weeks ago and opted for W7. It did come with a thumb drive to upgrade to W10, it's sitting somewhere on my desk getting dusty. So I wonder, what has happened that I'm just not looking forward to upgrading? How did Microsoft kill my enthusiasm? (Well, Metro is one answer.) Marc
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Why would anyone want to move from the greatest version of Windows named ME? The OS that could make the 800 MHz processor of the time run like it was only 400 MHz. Remember how you could combine Windows CE, Windows ME, and Windows NT to make the hybrid Windows CEMENT? Seriously, Win10 has been working out great for me. A system of mine that has been a little unstable in Win7, (you could work on it all day with a hitch, but leave it alone for more than a half hour and you'd come back to find it locked up) has been running for the last two weeks without crashing under Win10.
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No one said that Microsoft was "gathering all this information". There seem to be a lot of people that are paranoid lately. Cortana on the local machine looks at my local email and offers to help. Cortana is configurable. If you don't want it to help you out, you can turn that feature off in Cortana's settings. (I don't remember, but off may have been the default). But even if they did gather the information, it doesn't bother me. You say "They certainly aren't talking". There is quite a bit of information about how things work regarding privacy here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/Default.aspx[^]
Check out the following two articles concerning the way Microsoft is gathering informaton.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2489212,00.asp
http://lifehacker.com/what-windows-10s-privacy-nightmare-settings-actually-1722267229
from other discussions, it is clear that you can protect yourself from most of the data collection, that not all data collection is controlled from the privacy settings and no one is sure what data is being collected or for what reason. Thus my paranoia
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XP was a great improvement over 3.1. I skipped the stuff inbetween then and was happy to upgrade to W7. But I definitely loathed the new Metro look of W8, and I'm really reluctant to install W10. And since I have updates disabled, I haven't been bothered with pesky notices, downloads, and all that crap. In fact, I bought a nice new laptop a couple weeks ago and opted for W7. It did come with a thumb drive to upgrade to W10, it's sitting somewhere on my desk getting dusty. So I wonder, what has happened that I'm just not looking forward to upgrading? How did Microsoft kill my enthusiasm? (Well, Metro is one answer.) Marc
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A lot of people pan Windows 8 because of Metro/Modern, but Metro does work great for pure tablets, just not for our old desktops and laptops that don’t have touchscreens. However, for a person who has been using a Microsoft account, Windows Phone, and Sky/OneDrive for years, the integration of the Microsoft Account in Windows 8 was a truly killer feature that allowed me to overlook the inconvenience of Metro on the desktop. In fact, I find it one of the best things Microsoft has done for Windows. And yes, Windows 8.1 helped too. Now with Windows 10, they've got the desktop feel right with the combination start button/screen and a desktop that feels like a desktop and not just another store app, but it's awful on a tablet. I really miss the store version of IE on the tablet. It was much more suited to the tablet with controls that are less likely to be fat fingered and features like swiping back and forward and charms. Yes, charms were great on the tablet. I've updated my tablet to Win10 and it's barely useable. Many controls are too small. I can’t imagine how anyone could use it on a 7" tablet. What really makes me sad about Windows 10 is the Mail/Calendar/People app. It is just one of the worst things I've seen in recent years (except maybe for Android in general). They’ve dropped sweep functions. I can't set up rules. Using folders is awkward. It doesn't sync quickly with my Outlook account. And most of all, many great features of the people app aren't there. I can't pin a contact to the start screen. I can't link Skype contacts. The People app doesn't even acknowledge Skype contacts! (How much did Microsoft pay for Skype?). The People app will tell you to go to the store to get ‘Social Apps’ and then the store gives you a blank list, (psych!) If you try to add a photo to a contact, it brings up this strange, quasi-dialog version of OneDrive that's not quite desktop and not quite Metro and you can't browse to a folder where you know the file that you want is. It just lists every photo it can find on OneDrive and lists them by date. And they dropped the Skype store app and while Skype for desktop is well, okay, it's awful to use with fat fingers on the desktop. Many people are in love w/ their iPhones and Android phones. But I know few who know how to sync contacts and mail, or share OneNote folders and pages, or share folders in OneDrive. In other words, they don't think Windows Phone is good because it doesn't have their bank's app, and all of the other amazing things that Windows Phone does so easily (
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XP was a great improvement over 3.1. I skipped the stuff inbetween then and was happy to upgrade to W7. But I definitely loathed the new Metro look of W8, and I'm really reluctant to install W10. And since I have updates disabled, I haven't been bothered with pesky notices, downloads, and all that crap. In fact, I bought a nice new laptop a couple weeks ago and opted for W7. It did come with a thumb drive to upgrade to W10, it's sitting somewhere on my desk getting dusty. So I wonder, what has happened that I'm just not looking forward to upgrading? How did Microsoft kill my enthusiasm? (Well, Metro is one answer.) Marc
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It has a lot of bugs, and the recent upgrades broke things that were working. The start menu is nice, but it often freezes; the notification center is cool, but it regularly stops working (sometimes killing explorer.exe does the trick, sometimes it doesn't). I don't have Cortana because it's not available in my country, even though I installed the OS in English, so I really can't tell how good it is. The touch screen sometimes it won't show up when a textbox gets the focus, in tablet mode (which has rendered my Surface 3 Pro useless without the keyboard, since it won't let me enter my password). The apps are buggy too, especially the mail and calendar app. It's better than Weight, however, and has many improvements. Metro apps now are Windowed (in desktop mode) so I can have my Netflix app running alongside Visual Studio, without flickering. Continuum feature is great in my Surface. Snap views work cool with any app regardless of their origin (Win32, WPF, Metro). So I think it's a better OS than Weight, and slightly better than Weven. When the OS becomes stable (because IMHO this is still a beta product) it will become the best Windows OS so far. Until then...
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Check out the following two articles concerning the way Microsoft is gathering informaton.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2489212,00.asp
http://lifehacker.com/what-windows-10s-privacy-nightmare-settings-actually-1722267229
from other discussions, it is clear that you can protect yourself from most of the data collection, that not all data collection is controlled from the privacy settings and no one is sure what data is being collected or for what reason. Thus my paranoia
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Yep, both articles basically say it is no big deal and if you are paranoid, turn off what you can. I feel sorry for paranoid people. Really.
I guess I have been toying with the move to linux for several years and this maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back so to speak. I will most likely stick with Win7 for awhile and see what happens, and maybe load a second laptop with a linux distro and see how that goes.
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I guess I have been toying with the move to linux for several years and this maybe the straw that breaks the camel's back so to speak. I will most likely stick with Win7 for awhile and see what happens, and maybe load a second laptop with a linux distro and see how that goes.
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XP was a great improvement over 3.1. I skipped the stuff inbetween then and was happy to upgrade to W7. But I definitely loathed the new Metro look of W8, and I'm really reluctant to install W10. And since I have updates disabled, I haven't been bothered with pesky notices, downloads, and all that crap. In fact, I bought a nice new laptop a couple weeks ago and opted for W7. It did come with a thumb drive to upgrade to W10, it's sitting somewhere on my desk getting dusty. So I wonder, what has happened that I'm just not looking forward to upgrading? How did Microsoft kill my enthusiasm? (Well, Metro is one answer.) Marc
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Sounds to me like you're just getting old and crotchety. Maybe you just need to get some.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Yep, both articles basically say it is no big deal and if you are paranoid, turn off what you can. I feel sorry for paranoid people. Really.
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you or aren't spying on you...:~
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Sounds to me like you're just getting old and crotchety. Maybe you just need to get some.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Maybe you just need to get some.
Some what, Wen? They clearly skipped Wine! ;) Marc
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Maybe you just need to get some.
Some what, Wen? They clearly skipped Wine! ;) Marc
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;)
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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True, it's been so long, I forgot about Win95 and Win2000. I had those installed as well. Marc
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I still have my installation disks for Win95, Win97, Win98, Win2K, WinXP, Win8.1. If I have to rebuild this machine, I'm stuck -- no Win10 installation disk.
The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.
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XP was a great improvement over 3.1. I skipped the stuff inbetween then and was happy to upgrade to W7. But I definitely loathed the new Metro look of W8, and I'm really reluctant to install W10. And since I have updates disabled, I haven't been bothered with pesky notices, downloads, and all that crap. In fact, I bought a nice new laptop a couple weeks ago and opted for W7. It did come with a thumb drive to upgrade to W10, it's sitting somewhere on my desk getting dusty. So I wonder, what has happened that I'm just not looking forward to upgrading? How did Microsoft kill my enthusiasm? (Well, Metro is one answer.) Marc
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I finally managed to get a stable looking Win 10 installation after 4 failed attempts. The trick is, if dual booting, to turn off Smart Start. Now I can boot into Win7 or Win10 and it seems to be happy. Before that I was tearing my hair (only one) out. Not sure if I like Win10 yet. Cortana seems to work about as well as any other speech recognition application. I.e. Doesn't understand my West Country accent. I have no use whatsoever for a 3D modelling application. Hate the tiles. Dumped them straight away. And so on. Whinge whinge whinge...
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
