Holy Sheeeet!
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It's not electricity. It's an electric charge and it always stays on the exterior. That's why they advise you to get into or stay in your car in a thunderstorm. It's called a Faraday Cage; Google it, watch the relevant Mythbusters episode, consult Bill Nye, The Science Guy, or just read a book. It's amazing what you can learn! Sheesh, next you'll be telling me that a hyena's a canine!
So, you're saying I could just use a hollow metal tube one atom thick of the same "gauge" (i.e., diameter) as a "normal" wire and it would work just fine? Me thinks not. In fact, it depends on the type of current (DC or AC). DC (like that of a lightning bolt) flows through the bulk cross-section of a wire. AC, depending on the frequency of the current, experiences the skin-effect where the higher the frequency the thinner the surface area that is used. Even so, some AC current does indeed still flow through the cross-section of the wire. The fact is the lightning flowed THROUGH the SKIN of the plane!
Member 9082365 wrote:
hyena's a canine
You shouldn't call yourself names.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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I think any electronic circuit (which is visible while flaps are full open) does not bother about "through metal" or not. Then it is just a question of potential difference....
Indeed.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Member 9082365 wrote:
No, an electric current passes through the whole wire. But this isn't an electric current - that's why they call it static!
Eh :confused: So what is the difference between an electric current and static, don't they both originate from the fact that they are electrons jiggling about?
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
Well, ultimately everything in the Universe is due to electrons jiggling about! In an electric current there is a flow of electrons from one point to another. With static the surface merely becomes charged with extra electrons (or in some cases with a deficit of electrons). There is no current unless and until the charge becomes so great that it escapes, and then it will be a violent single escape, a spark, or a lightning bolt, not a steady flow. It's this difference which distinguishes a resistor and a capacitor in electric circuits, one allowing current to pass, the other cutting current off until such time as sufficient charge has built up.
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So, you're saying I could just use a hollow metal tube one atom thick of the same "gauge" (i.e., diameter) as a "normal" wire and it would work just fine? Me thinks not. In fact, it depends on the type of current (DC or AC). DC (like that of a lightning bolt) flows through the bulk cross-section of a wire. AC, depending on the frequency of the current, experiences the skin-effect where the higher the frequency the thinner the surface area that is used. Even so, some AC current does indeed still flow through the cross-section of the wire. The fact is the lightning flowed THROUGH the SKIN of the plane!
Member 9082365 wrote:
hyena's a canine
You shouldn't call yourself names.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
The fact is the lightning flowed THROUGH the SKIN of the plane!
No, it is not. The lightning charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth. There was at no time a current passing through the plane other than that provided by its own batteries down its own wires. Were that not the case the modern electrically operated plane would be all but impossible - it would simply fall out of the sky the moment it was struck by even the least powerful lightning which, as tyens, if not hundreds, of planes are struck a day across the world, would be rather inconvenient!
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
The fact is the lightning flowed THROUGH the SKIN of the plane!
No, it is not. The lightning charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth. There was at no time a current passing through the plane other than that provided by its own batteries down its own wires. Were that not the case the modern electrically operated plane would be all but impossible - it would simply fall out of the sky the moment it was struck by even the least powerful lightning which, as tyens, if not hundreds, of planes are struck a day across the world, would be rather inconvenient!
LOL. Go learn some physics. See ya!
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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LOL. Go learn some physics. See ya!
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
The shoe, I fear, is entirely on the other foot. I've given you many suggestions as to resources to correct your ignorance. If you can't be bothered to take advantage of them then by all means continue enjoying Fox News and National Enquirer level insight into the world around you.
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The shoe, I fear, is entirely on the other foot. I've given you many suggestions as to resources to correct your ignorance. If you can't be bothered to take advantage of them then by all means continue enjoying Fox News and National Enquirer level insight into the world around you.
Ad hominem. That last desperate false "argumentation" of the ill-informed and self-righteous. You know nothing about me. TTYL.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
The fact is the lightning flowed THROUGH the SKIN of the plane!
No, it is not. The lightning charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth. There was at no time a current passing through the plane other than that provided by its own batteries down its own wires. Were that not the case the modern electrically operated plane would be all but impossible - it would simply fall out of the sky the moment it was struck by even the least powerful lightning which, as tyens, if not hundreds, of planes are struck a day across the world, would be rather inconvenient!
Member 9082365 wrote:
No, it is not. The lightning charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth.
Aren't you two saying the same thing, just with different words? :confused:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
The fact is the lightning flowed THROUGH the SKIN of the plane!
No, it is not. The lightning charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth. There was at no time a current passing through the plane other than that provided by its own batteries down its own wires. Were that not the case the modern electrically operated plane would be all but impossible - it would simply fall out of the sky the moment it was struck by even the least powerful lightning which, as tyens, if not hundreds, of planes are struck a day across the world, would be rather inconvenient!
Member 9082365 wrote:
charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth. There was at no time a current
"This must be a definition of 'current' of which I was not previously aware." -- Arthur Dent
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Delta flight landing in Atlanta this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and exited from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants likely required for most of the passengers wink emoticon via @GoldboxATL on Twitter[^]
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
:thumbsup:
Jeremy Falcon
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Member 9082365 wrote:
No, it is not. The lightning charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth.
Aren't you two saying the same thing, just with different words? :confused:
There are only 10 types of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Indeed. If it's "charging the surface of the plane", then it's "going through the skin of the plane". Sheesh.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Member 9082365 wrote:
charged the surface of the plane. This charge dissipated to earth. There was at no time a current
"This must be a definition of 'current' of which I was not previously aware." -- Arthur Dent
42!
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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TheGreatAndPowerfulOz wrote:
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell
:thumbsup:
Jeremy Falcon
Neal A. Maxwell was a great man.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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Delta flight landing in Atlanta this afternoon...The lightning passed through the metal exterior and exited from the right landing gear (clearly visible). No one injured...new pants likely required for most of the passengers wink emoticon via @GoldboxATL on Twitter[^]
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
It's a little disturbing to think that the path of least resistance was through a rubber tire. I guess I have to learn more how lightning works! Marc
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No, an electric current passes through the whole wire. But this isn't an electric current - that's why they call it static!
Member 9082365 wrote:
No, an electric current passes through the whole wire.
Sometimes it uses the entire wire. Sometimes the surface. Since it is lightning though it should be DC (same site claims that.) http://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/109897/does-electricity-flow-on-the-surface-of-a-wire-or-in-the-interior[^]
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Indeed.
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
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It's a little disturbing to think that the path of least resistance was through a rubber tire. I guess I have to learn more how lightning works! Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!
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Maxwell Edison? Majoring in medicine?
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Isn't that what was said:
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through the metal exterior
Electricity doesn't pass "around" metal, it goes through it. How do you think metal wires carry a current? By having the electricity go through the wire. Notice how you need to you thicker gauge wire the more amperage there is? Sheesh, some people's kids...
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun
Until you start raising the frequency at which point the surface effect gets more important - hence why waveguides are generally used rather than wires at microwave frequencies. However I've no idea what the frequency of a lightning discharge would be so unsure as to what extent this would apply.
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It's a little disturbing to think that the path of least resistance was through a rubber tire. I guess I have to learn more how lightning works! Marc
Imperative to Functional Programming Succinctly Contributors Wanted for Higher Order Programming Project!
It probably conducted through the water and/or the metal radials within the tire. Lightning is essentially "static electricity" and hence has DC characteristics rather than AC characteristics (i.e. no "frequency" to speak of).
Decrease the belief in God, and you increase the numbers of those who wish to play at being God by being “society’s supervisors,” who deny the existence of divine standards, but are very serious about imposing their own standards on society.-Neal A. Maxwell You must accept 1 of 2 basic premises: Either we are alone in the universe or we are not alone. Either way, the implications are staggering!-Wernher von Braun