Over a week with Windows 10 - some observations.
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Thanks for the very helpful and specific points:thumbsup: I'm sticking with Win 7 for the moment.
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― Christopher Hitchens
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
I enjoyed Windows 8. Windows 10 is definitely better, so I really like Windows 10.
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Thanks for the really nice feedback. I have bookmarked it and I will use your arguments whenever someone asks me. I had consider to give a try because I was about to buy a new laptop. But as the need is not so high right now I will patiently wait until SP2 or SP3. Luckily I have a very nice backupy of my and my wife's Win7 laptop. As far as Hardware survives... I think I will start having a look in Linux. Probably it is a better time investment for me right now.
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
Nelek wrote:
I think I will start having a look in Linux
Also install both Mono and Wine. You'll miss having Visual Studio on there, regardless of what you do. The rest I did not miss. I love WinForms; they're predictable for anyone who has ever dealt with them, and it is nice to have a stable environment to put them in.
Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Thank you for your excellent report. The report itself being excellent, not the reported on. I too was hoping that Win10 would be a slightly better version of Win7. However, being only a better version of Win8 is not impetus enough to make me change. Back in the day I installed Win8 in a VM to test it. I gave it the mandatory two weeks and then... DELETED it while singing a happy working song! :laugh: I still have Vista running on a sandboxed machine along with DOS, Win95, Win98, XP and various Linii in offline VMs in case I ever needed them again. :sigh: But Win8 I deleted and erased every trace of it ever having been on any of my machines.:mad: I never bothered with Win8.1 even though I heard it was an improvement. :| I so wanted Win10 to be good as I fear that they will be dropping Win7 support as soon as they can, but... :(( :(( :((
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Thank you. I am now solidly committed to staying with W7. Marc
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Nelek wrote:
I think I will start having a look in Linux
Also install both Mono and Wine. You'll miss having Visual Studio on there, regardless of what you do. The rest I did not miss. I love WinForms; they're predictable for anyone who has ever dealt with them, and it is nice to have a stable environment to put them in.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
You'll miss having Visual Studio on there, regardless of what you do. The rest I did not miss.
I am quite away from VS last time. New job has nothing to do with it. But for private projects there is always VM-Ware or similars ;)
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Also install both Mono and Wine.
I'll have a look, thanks for the tip
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Funny, I use Win8 at work and enjoy it. I hated the start screen, but got used to it. When I want to start an app, I just press the windows key and type the name of it. It filters quickly and I get the app I"m looking for. On my home Win 10 machine, I press the windows key and type the name of the app. It does a local and web search and takes its sweet time before giving me choices. I then have to mouse over and click on the program from the choices. Win 10 seems to make it harder to find my apps. Other than that, I try to spend all my time in my apps so I don't get disappointed.
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
in W8 you could disconnect your account and it was converted to the local one. Upgrade to W10 saved it for me, so perhaps this disconnection should be still available in W10. Just need to search it as they renamed and put in different places a lot of stuff from Control Panel. I won't tell that it is better than W8. There are some typos in my localized UI, some new stuff such as Calculator looks odd and not polished, I don't see any performance improvements and I wish they get back different active and inactive window title colors. The last one is the smallest, but most critical for me, as I every time have to search where is my active window border. My overall impression is that transition from W8 to W10 is similar to transition from Windows Server 2000 to Windows XP - hide everything what you can hide and make it simple for end-users. Perhaps should be better for kids and other people who are not familiar with computers
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Thanks for the feedback OG. It's nice to have a levelheaded, non-knee-jerk reaction to the new OS from someone whose opinion I actually respect. I wasn't planning on upgrading from 7 anyway, but your thoughts and opinions helped me realize I'm not making the wrong decision. :beer:
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
OriginalGriff wrote:
It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone
And this is what todays users expect, well mine anyway. I recently had a bunch of users comment that they preferred one of the new devs UI design because he used the fisher paykel design, big, flat and square with bright colours. Bloody children the lot of them. they don't appreciate a good subtle battleshit grey layout any more.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
I would like to express my gratitude for your sacrifice of time, to save us other poor souls from disaster.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Thanks for helping me decide, was going to clean up my computer and was thinking about upgrading. I wont. I'll just stick to windows 7. If it isn't broken don't fix it applies here. But then again Microsoft's policy seems to be: If it isn't broken we aren't doing it right.
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Indeed, I switched to Kubuntu; so thank you Microsoft for finally pushing me to make areal effort with Linux.
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
OriginalGriff wrote:
- It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t…
Don't you know you were supposed to save all your stuff in The Cloud™©®? :doh:
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Another negative to add - it no longer highlights the title bar of the active window. Probably OK if you are using full screen apps, but awful if you're on multiple screens. It also broke my mouse.
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Thank you for your excellent report. The report itself being excellent, not the reported on. I too was hoping that Win10 would be a slightly better version of Win7. However, being only a better version of Win8 is not impetus enough to make me change. Back in the day I installed Win8 in a VM to test it. I gave it the mandatory two weeks and then... DELETED it while singing a happy working song! :laugh: I still have Vista running on a sandboxed machine along with DOS, Win95, Win98, XP and various Linii in offline VMs in case I ever needed them again. :sigh: But Win8 I deleted and erased every trace of it ever having been on any of my machines.:mad: I never bothered with Win8.1 even though I heard it was an improvement. :| I so wanted Win10 to be good as I fear that they will be dropping Win7 support as soon as they can, but... :(( :(( :((
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Sacrilege, inferring that Vista is better than Win8(or any OS). YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF. Bad Forogar.
Paulo Gomes Over and Out :D Measuring programming progress by lines of code is like measuring aircraft building progress by weight. —Bill Gates
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Another negative to add - it no longer highlights the title bar of the active window. Probably OK if you are using full screen apps, but awful if you're on multiple screens. It also broke my mouse.
It...does...sort off. It switches the text between grey and black, but it's a bit too subtle and not very clear. Again, probably makes a lot of sense on a phone... :sigh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Thank you for taking the time to write that great description. Very clearful and useful. I have W7 in my laptop but I only use it to play, for anything else I have my Linux (Fedora in my case). My wife's laptop came with W8, wich have been updated to W8.1, but never udes as my wife (thanks God) got used to use Fedora too. So, reading your post, I will conserve my well working Windows 7 for a long time.
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Interesting, I've never been an early adopter and hated the Start Screen on Windows 8, 8.1 but that's easily sorted with Classic Shell. I've now upgraded 3 PCs to Windows 10, a Tosh laptop that came with Windows 7 home originally, an Asus eebox 1501 and a HP laptop that came with Windows 7 home too. All have upgraded without any issues whatsoever, even the old eebox. Despite my warnings to wait, my old man also upgraded his windows 7 HP to windows 10 without issues (with the exception of TomTom MyDrive which is a pile of you know what which had issues on other windows versions and does work on my Win10 boxes ok). I still have Classic Shell on W10 and think it's all very usable, I don't use Edge or "Apps", networking is a bit odd as it seems to insist that every network is "Public" and sets up the firewall accordingly (probably paranoid idiot proofing), additionally some settings can be difficult to locate but not too bad. Just like Windows 8 - 10 is lightning fast compared to Windows 7 , particularly at startup, that alone makes it worthwhile upgrading. My Wifes more powerful windows 7 work laptop is still chugging away starting up when I've logged onto mine and started using it. Make a backup (macrium reflect is great for this) and give it a go!
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Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba
Thanks for the detailed low down. Why oh why do they have make everything so flat and bland! How is that an improvement? I found this with Visual Studio 2013 after 2008 - went back to 2010 in the end (despite the ghastly purple). So, I'm on Win 7, which is fine and there I'm going to stay until some of the feedback filters through. So, that will be the end of time then...
