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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba

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    One thing people need to keep in mind with Windows 10 is that YMMV. 1) I don't mind the new look, except for a couple of things, the difference between active and in-active windows needs to be less subtle and the borders need to be a bit thicker as it can be a PITA to resize windows when using a trackpad. Live tiles are fine, on a tablet, I don't need them on a desktop start menu. 2) If you're on a domain it doesn't ask for a Microsoft ID it just keeps the domain account, other than that enter a dummy account then continue without a Microsoft ID. 3) My backups are fine, scheduled task calling wbAdmin. 4) Take note, when upgrading there is a section where it tries to set the default apps, don't click next, instead click the link on the bottom left where it says "Customize default apps" or something similar and you can de-select all the new default apps. As for Edge, it is rough, one issue is that importing favourites causes them to be placed in alphabetical order with any folders placed at the bottom also there doesn't seem to be an easy way to re-order them. 5) I don't like Google either so not sure what the problem is here.. :-D 6) Cortana, well it works, personally I think it makes more sense on a phone than a desktop, I just can't get used to talking to my computer. 7) Don't use Metro apps except in tablet mode so no comment. 8) Never had Windows Defender do anything that weird, not even on my old Core2 duo laptop. Personally I don't have a problem with the majority of Win 10 except for Edge which does need work.

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    • C ColinBurnell

      Indeed, I switched to Kubuntu; so thank you Microsoft for finally pushing me to make areal effort with Linux.

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      If I wasn't so deeply invested in development for the Microsoft platform (I.E. just a 'user') I'd have switched to my MacBook pro and OS/X. I really hate to say that. As it is, I think when it comes to upgrading ANYTHING Microsoft I'm at a wall that I'm simply not going to climb. I develop for the desktop and web using VS2008 and tools that came out right about then. Everything works. My applications even run on Win10 without any modification. Absolutely nothing I'm doing (either now or the foreseeable future) depends on upgrading the OS or those tools again.

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        Nelek wrote:

        I think I will start having a look in Linux

        Also install both Mono and Wine. You'll miss having Visual Studio on there, regardless of what you do. The rest I did not miss. I love WinForms; they're predictable for anyone who has ever dealt with them, and it is nice to have a stable environment to put them in.

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        Eddy Vluggen wrote:

        I love WinForms; they're predictable for anyone who has ever dealt with them, and it is nice to have a stable environment to put them in.

        Same here, it's what I base all my development on. My clients love the simple and reliable applications I develop for WinForms (and they run in Win10 too should anybody go there). Very mature development platform. I don't write "cute" games & stuff, just solid DB applications for small business.

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          Thank you for your excellent report. The report itself being excellent, not the reported on. I too was hoping that Win10 would be a slightly better version of Win7. However, being only a better version of Win8 is not impetus enough to make me change. Back in the day I installed Win8 in a VM to test it. I gave it the mandatory two weeks and then... DELETED it while singing a happy working song! :laugh: I still have Vista running on a sandboxed machine along with DOS, Win95, Win98, XP and various Linii in offline VMs in case I ever needed them again. :sigh: But Win8 I deleted and erased every trace of it ever having been on any of my machines.:mad: I never bothered with Win8.1 even though I heard it was an improvement. :| I so wanted Win10 to be good as I fear that they will be dropping Win7 support as soon as they can, but... :(( :(( :((

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          Actually, Win8.1 with a couple of tweaks is fine. (Start8 and starting up in desktop mode). I never see the "metro" unless I specifically want to play a game that's there or something but as a work environment it's just fine. As I said in another post I get happier by the day I chose to sit this upgrade out. I'd rather get work done for my clients than screw around with the OS any more.

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          • R Rod Kemp

            One thing people need to keep in mind with Windows 10 is that YMMV. 1) I don't mind the new look, except for a couple of things, the difference between active and in-active windows needs to be less subtle and the borders need to be a bit thicker as it can be a PITA to resize windows when using a trackpad. Live tiles are fine, on a tablet, I don't need them on a desktop start menu. 2) If you're on a domain it doesn't ask for a Microsoft ID it just keeps the domain account, other than that enter a dummy account then continue without a Microsoft ID. 3) My backups are fine, scheduled task calling wbAdmin. 4) Take note, when upgrading there is a section where it tries to set the default apps, don't click next, instead click the link on the bottom left where it says "Customize default apps" or something similar and you can de-select all the new default apps. As for Edge, it is rough, one issue is that importing favourites causes them to be placed in alphabetical order with any folders placed at the bottom also there doesn't seem to be an easy way to re-order them. 5) I don't like Google either so not sure what the problem is here.. :-D 6) Cortana, well it works, personally I think it makes more sense on a phone than a desktop, I just can't get used to talking to my computer. 7) Don't use Metro apps except in tablet mode so no comment. 8) Never had Windows Defender do anything that weird, not even on my old Core2 duo laptop. Personally I don't have a problem with the majority of Win 10 except for Edge which does need work.

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            I have spent almost as much time ranting about Win10 as I have trying to fix it. Now I have a stable install and I am gradually introducing it to my favourite programs (old school, don't like to call them applications). Yes I had a little issue with logins but it was easy to sort out. Dual booting was a problem until I killed fast start (didn't notice the difference). Generally it works. That's all I can honestly say. It hasn't blown me away with its wonderfulness and my personal preference is for the resource hungry Win7 look. Bearing in mind MS will probably stop supporting Win7 before too long I decided to bite the bullet and go for it. So far I haven't regretted it. The only bit that really doesn't work for me is Cortana.

            I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.

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            • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

              Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba

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              Your #1 point is mine too! I installed this hideous spectacle of a UI on my home PC. For my older eyes, everything is harder to discern. It works OK and I won't bother reverting but when I think about the Win 7 look and feel (which I stall have at work, hallelujah) I get pizzed off. Why, why, why did they do this to me? Who thought this look was an improvement? Part of it may be change for the sake of marketing, it must be significantly different to appear new. OMG, gag me with a spoon.

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              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba

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                Thanks. I wondered. I need a computer that works good for development, photo and video editing, multiple browsers.... Win 7 is great, but I was open to 10. I hate the flat style and no borders. That style came with the excuse that they were distractions, but it is really that phones don't have the room. They aren't distractions, they are important information on a desktop. In that I have figured out already that Win 10 is mostly made for spying on you, I have been developing a Linux Mint installation for everything but VS and video editing. I'm in the middle of getting Wine in for 90% of what I do. Then I can install solitaire and NotePad++. 95% of the time I am just browsing, writing, playing solitaire or editing photos (Oh Gimp it all!). I'll turn on Windows when I need to.

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                  Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                  I love WinForms; they're predictable for anyone who has ever dealt with them, and it is nice to have a stable environment to put them in.

                  Same here, it's what I base all my development on. My clients love the simple and reliable applications I develop for WinForms (and they run in Win10 too should anybody go there). Very mature development platform. I don't write "cute" games & stuff, just solid DB applications for small business.

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                  ClockMeister wrote:

                  and they run in Win10 too should anybody go there

                  I do not consider Win10 "stable". Also not testing nor aiming at the platform.

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                    Another negative to add - it no longer highlights the title bar of the active window. Probably OK if you are using full screen apps, but awful if you're on multiple screens. It also broke my mouse.

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                    Adrian Wadey wrote:

                    Another negative to add - it no longer highlights the title bar of the active window. Probably OK if you are using full screen apps, but awful if you're on multiple screens.

                    Damn! I noticed that in the preview and asked them to fix it! Microsoft doesn't do what I ask anymore! ;) Oh well, I didn't (and won't) upgrade any more!

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                    • U User 11766783

                      Thanks for the detailed low down. Why oh why do they have make everything so flat and bland! How is that an improvement? I found this with Visual Studio 2013 after 2008 - went back to 2010 in the end (despite the ghastly purple). So, I'm on Win 7, which is fine and there I'm going to stay until some of the feedback filters through. So, that will be the end of time then...

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                      Member 11800253 wrote:

                      I found this with Visual Studio 2013 after 2008 - went back to 2010 in the end (despite the ghastly purple).

                      I'm singing a "happy song" using VS2008 myself. I've been watching the "evolution" of VS since then and see nothing there that compels me to toss 2008 away for anything else.

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                        Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba

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                        Maybe because I am 45 I am not so sensitive about how windows borders look or about windows tiles. I did upgrade my ASUS core i7 laptop from Windows 8.1 to Windows 10, installed VS 2013, VS 2010, MySQL, Office and have worked with it from day one without trouble. In fact I don't see much difference from Windows 8.x but for the start menu which I would like to say that I missed a lot, but no. It's just a menu, it's simple, so it's ok. In my main gaming machine I also use Windows 10 and all my steam collection is still working as usual. Maybe I am prone to accept anything without questioning much. But in my opinion Windows 10 is a fine OS. If your cheese is moved please look a bit to the left and continue your day ;)

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                        • F Fabio Franco

                          You will probably want to upgrade your laptop to Windows 10 at some point, so your games can take advantage of DirectX 12 new features. Nvidia will soon release drivers that will cover a lot of the older graphics cards to take advantage of it. So, if you only use it for gaming, if you don't like it, it won't bother you.

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                          My laptop can't run games beyond 2010 (with some lucky), so I don't really interested in DirectX 12. I really prefer the old and well knowed W7. I don't have the energy, not even the need, to afford the change. Maybe when I buy a new computer (whenever that happen) I will update myself to the SO that it brings, at least untill I put Linux on it.

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                            Thanks for the detailed low down. Why oh why do they have make everything so flat and bland! How is that an improvement? I found this with Visual Studio 2013 after 2008 - went back to 2010 in the end (despite the ghastly purple). So, I'm on Win 7, which is fine and there I'm going to stay until some of the feedback filters through. So, that will be the end of time then...

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                            Also a big thanks to the detailed view from the inside! :thumbsup: Long live W7 or Linux with many VMs is my new home for long! :java:

                            Member 11800253 wrote:

                            Why oh why do they have make everything so flat and bland!

                            Well... who has the rights on all the new Star Trek display look? Paramount? :-D

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                              Member 11800253 wrote:

                              I found this with Visual Studio 2013 after 2008 - went back to 2010 in the end (despite the ghastly purple).

                              I'm singing a "happy song" using VS2008 myself. I've been watching the "evolution" of VS since then and see nothing there that compels me to toss 2008 away for anything else.

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                              Blast you and your "happy song"! I too wanted to stay with 2008, but couldn't get the express edition to register after my Win 7 upgrade! 2008 was not only prettier, it was clearer as well. Still .Net 4 has some nice parallel stuff which makes it almost worthwhile.

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                                ClockMeister wrote:

                                and they run in Win10 too should anybody go there

                                I do not consider Win10 "stable". Also not testing nor aiming at the platform.

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                                I concur. I mainly point out that if you're developing WinForms applications there isn't much danger that your platform is going to go away. Whether they intended to or not, Microsoft (by swinging back toward desktop) vindicated any developer that has chosen to use that platform for expression. I.E., it ain't going away. Certainly not before you or I retire! ;)

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                                  Blast you and your "happy song"! I too wanted to stay with 2008, but couldn't get the express edition to register after my Win 7 upgrade! 2008 was not only prettier, it was clearer as well. Still .Net 4 has some nice parallel stuff which makes it almost worthwhile.

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                                  Member 11800253 wrote:

                                  Blast you and your "happy song"! I too wanted to stay with 2008, but couldn't get the express edition to register after my Win 7 upgrade! 2008 was not only prettier, it was clearer as well. Still .Net 4 has some nice parallel stuff which makes it almost worthwhile.

                                  LOL! I purchased VS2008 Standard and a copy of Active Reports 6 a few years back and have been boilerplating things around those for quite awhile. With those and any version of SQL Server I can build just about anything I need to.

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                                    Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba

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                                    I've noticed something very important, so EVERYONE PAY ATTENTION, GOD DAMN IT!... which is that Windows 10 works much, much better as a clean install than as an upgrade. But do the upgrade anyway, then reinstall it from scratch, wiping everything out. Here's why: When Windows 10 first activates, it registers your PC on Microsoft's servers. By "your PC" I mean the motherboard, or the serial number in the processor, or something - not sure what (it'd be interesting to see how much of the PC you can change without breaking the process). But then, you can wipe your PC completely and reinstall Windows 10 WITHOUT entering a serial number (just keep selecting "skip" or "do this later" when it asks) and it'll auto-activate itself again once the installation is done, without you having to do anything: Microsoft's servers will recognize your hardware and make it happen, and you won't waste a serial number, or an installation, or whatever. Alles Klaar?

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                                      If I wasn't so deeply invested in development for the Microsoft platform (I.E. just a 'user') I'd have switched to my MacBook pro and OS/X. I really hate to say that. As it is, I think when it comes to upgrading ANYTHING Microsoft I'm at a wall that I'm simply not going to climb. I develop for the desktop and web using VS2008 and tools that came out right about then. Everything works. My applications even run on Win10 without any modification. Absolutely nothing I'm doing (either now or the foreseeable future) depends on upgrading the OS or those tools again.

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                                      I'd recommend checking out the newer versions of VS, especially if you use XAML.

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                                        Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba

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                                        This doesn't surprise me at all. The direction MS has been going with Windows has pretty much convinced me that W7 is the last Microsoft Windows version I will use. When that is no longer feasible my VM Linuxes will become my mainstay.

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                                          Over a week with Win10, and…well…here it is. And I wish it wasn't so negative. I've been putting this off, because I wanted to be positive about it, but...it's at best halved my productivity since I installed it. Let me start by saying: I hated Win 8.0, and thought that Win8.1 was “too little, too late”. But I really wanted Win 10 to make me go “Wow!” It didn’t. If you come from Win 8.x, then Win 10 is better. But frankly, anything is better than Win 8.x, that's not difficult. If you come from Win 7, or Win XP then…oh dear. 1) It’s ugly. Very ugly. It’s flat, it’s dull, and all the apps that used to look good on Windows don’t anymore – all the 3D elements (including indented panels) are gone, all the rounded corners are gone. Everything is square, flat, and surrounded by a black line. Not nice to sit and look at, when you are used to prettiness – and all the more unpleasant when you wrote the apps and know how much work you put into making them pretty and pleasant to use. And the buttons look like they were sketched in as placeholders. All the new icons are monochrome: white on black. I’m guessing that this is to look “simplistic” and “fresh” – but if that’s the case, why is Edges icon Blue, and curly? Consistency is not an MS trait here… Tiles are horrible – particularly the “live” ones. Fortunately, they are easy to get rid of, and never see again. 2) It doesn’t like you. Like me, you probably had a local login on your system – in theory that is still available, but Win 10 doesn’t make it easy to do, so you give in and sign in with your Microsoft ID. Which works fine! Until you try to edit a file in Word (which works, Office 2010 is still running under Win 10) and notice (too late) that it’s read only. Everything in your documents folder – which for me is everything (including projects) to make it easy to back up – is read only. You can fix this – I explained how a week ago – but it’s unnecessary, and if you aren’t computer literate it’s going to be a problem. 3) It doesn’t care about your backups. In fact, the default power scheme puts the computer to sleep about fifteen minutes in, which breaks the backup… It’s fixable…but why? Was the computer set to do that before? No. No, Microsoft, it wasn’t… 4) It doesn’t like your browser. So it sets Edge as your default. And Edge is…um…nasty. It’s ugly (so it fits right in with Win 10), but its toolbar takes too much room. It is faster than Chrome and Firefox – slightly – but that’s pretty irrelevant compared to the discomfort of using it. I went ba

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                                          I ran it for a day then reverted back to Win 7. Then, after reading about the privacy and the poor performance issues I know I will never install it again. As a personal protest, I wiped windows off my backup PC and installed Ubuntu.

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