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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    ...So here it is at last: The Shepherd's Crown[^] The final, last ever, never to be written about again, Discworld novel is finally out. I don't honestly know if I want to read it. If I don't, I can anticipate a "new" Discworld book for a long, long time. And perhaps that's a more fitting tribute to Sir Pterry than just keeping him in the Clacks Overhead Chrome extension. But if I don't, I'll miss out on (hopefully) his finest work. Does that make any sense?

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    I don't know any Terry Pratchett story. Judging from all of the comments on CP he's pretty great and he has written A LOT. I know they made some Discworld games[^] a long time ago (read about it at the time) and there's a mini series[^], but why isn't he more popular? As in LOTR, HP or GoT popular? I rarely see any of his work in the Netherlands, while other fantasy, like the ones mentioned above and, to lesser extent, The Sword Of Truth (Laws Of Magic in Dutch) by Terry Goodkind and The Farseer by Robin Hobb are pretty popular in bookstores. I don't really read novels, so I'm really waiting for a Discworld movie. Is the mini series any good?

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    • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

      I don't know any Terry Pratchett story. Judging from all of the comments on CP he's pretty great and he has written A LOT. I know they made some Discworld games[^] a long time ago (read about it at the time) and there's a mini series[^], but why isn't he more popular? As in LOTR, HP or GoT popular? I rarely see any of his work in the Netherlands, while other fantasy, like the ones mentioned above and, to lesser extent, The Sword Of Truth (Laws Of Magic in Dutch) by Terry Goodkind and The Farseer by Robin Hobb are pretty popular in bookstores. I don't really read novels, so I'm really waiting for a Discworld movie. Is the mini series any good?

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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      There are a couple of TV Movies (which I understand may be on Netflix, but I don't subscribe, so I can't check) I've seen them on Sky, and they weren't bad - pretty faithful to the original material (but with a lot left out, as usual). There was supposed to be a TV series "The Watch" but that seems to have gone all quiet since 2012... :sigh: I'm just guessing that he isn't "big" in the Netherlands because of the difficulty of translating him into Dutch?

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      • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

        I don't know any Terry Pratchett story. Judging from all of the comments on CP he's pretty great and he has written A LOT. I know they made some Discworld games[^] a long time ago (read about it at the time) and there's a mini series[^], but why isn't he more popular? As in LOTR, HP or GoT popular? I rarely see any of his work in the Netherlands, while other fantasy, like the ones mentioned above and, to lesser extent, The Sword Of Truth (Laws Of Magic in Dutch) by Terry Goodkind and The Farseer by Robin Hobb are pretty popular in bookstores. I don't really read novels, so I'm really waiting for a Discworld movie. Is the mini series any good?

        Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

        Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

        Regards, Sander

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        More popular? By what standard? His sales are in the millions. His books are translated into a huge number of languages. There are Discworld Conventions across the world from USA to Australia. The play adaptations are amongst the most performed by amateur groups. There are cartoon and radio versions of many of the books and the mini-series actually number three (of which the one you highlighted is possible the least convincing).

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          There are a couple of TV Movies (which I understand may be on Netflix, but I don't subscribe, so I can't check) I've seen them on Sky, and they weren't bad - pretty faithful to the original material (but with a lot left out, as usual). There was supposed to be a TV series "The Watch" but that seems to have gone all quiet since 2012... :sigh: I'm just guessing that he isn't "big" in the Netherlands because of the difficulty of translating him into Dutch?

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          Who says he's not popular in Netherlands?[^]

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            More popular? By what standard? His sales are in the millions. His books are translated into a huge number of languages. There are Discworld Conventions across the world from USA to Australia. The play adaptations are amongst the most performed by amateur groups. There are cartoon and radio versions of many of the books and the mini-series actually number three (of which the one you highlighted is possible the least convincing).

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            Member 9082365 wrote:

            More popular? By what standard?

            I believe the OP meant in the Netherlands.

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            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

              I don't know any Terry Pratchett story. Judging from all of the comments on CP he's pretty great and he has written A LOT. I know they made some Discworld games[^] a long time ago (read about it at the time) and there's a mini series[^], but why isn't he more popular? As in LOTR, HP or GoT popular? I rarely see any of his work in the Netherlands, while other fantasy, like the ones mentioned above and, to lesser extent, The Sword Of Truth (Laws Of Magic in Dutch) by Terry Goodkind and The Farseer by Robin Hobb are pretty popular in bookstores. I don't really read novels, so I'm really waiting for a Discworld movie. Is the mini series any good?

              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

              Regards, Sander

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              Basically because is works are much less serious than those you mentioned - for example there exists the camera, except that it works by holding inside a tiny demon who paints very rapidly what he sees (and offers occasional wry remarks), there is the character of Death, who speaks only in UPPERCASE, and so on... That is a plus but attracts way less kids than those you mentioned :D

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              • 9 9082365

                More popular? By what standard? His sales are in the millions. His books are translated into a huge number of languages. There are Discworld Conventions across the world from USA to Australia. The play adaptations are amongst the most performed by amateur groups. There are cartoon and radio versions of many of the books and the mini-series actually number three (of which the one you highlighted is possible the least convincing).

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                Member 9082365 wrote:

                By what standard?

                Is there a standard? Maybe some ANSII standard for popularity? :laugh: What I meant was that I don't see Terry Pratchett or Discworld half as much as other fantasy books/movies/series/universes. I doubt you'll find anyone (in the Netherlands) that hasn't heard of LOTR, HP or GoT, but ask about Discworld and I think many people won't know it. Even with the worldwide popularity of Discworld there doesn't seem to be any blockbuster Hollywood productions.

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                  Who says he's not popular in Netherlands?[^]

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                  Wow, you found one Dutch amateur site that mentions Terry Pratchett's death... I wouldn't call that popular :doh:

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    ...So here it is at last: The Shepherd's Crown[^] The final, last ever, never to be written about again, Discworld novel is finally out. I don't honestly know if I want to read it. If I don't, I can anticipate a "new" Discworld book for a long, long time. And perhaps that's a more fitting tribute to Sir Pterry than just keeping him in the Clacks Overhead Chrome extension. But if I don't, I'll miss out on (hopefully) his finest work. Does that make any sense?

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                    I know what you mean. I did see a news article on the Beeb or the Guardian from a midnight bookshop opening for the release of this book which mentioned that some fans would refrain from reading the last page for the same reason. I must admit though that of all his wondrous creations, the Nac Mac Feegle were my least favourite but I don't feel I can not read it.

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                      Who says he's not popular in Netherlands?[^]

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                      Sander Rossel wrote:

                      I rarely see any of his work in the Netherlands

                      So he did, really! :laugh:

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                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                        There are a couple of TV Movies (which I understand may be on Netflix, but I don't subscribe, so I can't check) I've seen them on Sky, and they weren't bad - pretty faithful to the original material (but with a lot left out, as usual). There was supposed to be a TV series "The Watch" but that seems to have gone all quiet since 2012... :sigh: I'm just guessing that he isn't "big" in the Netherlands because of the difficulty of translating him into Dutch?

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                        OriginalGriff wrote:

                        I'm just guessing that he isn't "big" in the Netherlands because of the difficulty of translating him into Dutch?

                        I'm pretty sure everything can be translated. The HP translations are the best ever by the way, better than the originals! Dumbledore is called Perkamentus, which, translated back, would mean Parchmentus. Diagon Alley is called Wegisweg, which, translated back, would mean Wayisaway (bit of a stretch, but in Dutch "road" and "gone/away" are both "weg", so the road is away (weg is weg)). Hermoine Granger is called Hermelien Griffel, which would be Hermoine Stylus (or Pen), but it goes very well in Dutch. It's great :D

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                          Basically because is works are much less serious than those you mentioned - for example there exists the camera, except that it works by holding inside a tiny demon who paints very rapidly what he sees (and offers occasional wry remarks), there is the character of Death, who speaks only in UPPERCASE, and so on... That is a plus but attracts way less kids than those you mentioned :D

                          Geek code v 3.12 {      GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- r++>+++ y+++*      Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X } If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver

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                          THAT WOULD BE A GOOD REASON! :D

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                            I know what you mean. I did see a news article on the Beeb or the Guardian from a midnight bookshop opening for the release of this book which mentioned that some fans would refrain from reading the last page for the same reason. I must admit though that of all his wondrous creations, the Nac Mac Feegle were my least favourite but I don't feel I can not read it.

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                            I don't think I could do that - not unless there was a big sign on the second-to-last-page saying "the next one is the last" - but I do remember the final lines of David Eddings "The Seeress of Kell": "And so, my children, the time has come to close the book. There will be other days, and other stories, but this tale is finished." And then he went on to write two more... :sigh: Not sure if I want to see that in a Pterry book, but it's kinda fitting.

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                            • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                              I don't know any Terry Pratchett story. Judging from all of the comments on CP he's pretty great and he has written A LOT. I know they made some Discworld games[^] a long time ago (read about it at the time) and there's a mini series[^], but why isn't he more popular? As in LOTR, HP or GoT popular? I rarely see any of his work in the Netherlands, while other fantasy, like the ones mentioned above and, to lesser extent, The Sword Of Truth (Laws Of Magic in Dutch) by Terry Goodkind and The Farseer by Robin Hobb are pretty popular in bookstores. I don't really read novels, so I'm really waiting for a Discworld movie. Is the mini series any good?

                              Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                              Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                              Regards, Sander

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                              Sander Rossel wrote:

                              I rarely see any of his work in the Netherlands

                              I've received a few as a gift, should be available on Bol.

                              Sander Rossel wrote:

                              I don't really read novels

                              Read one of the books first, and then post your new opinion :)

                              Sander Rossel wrote:

                              I'm really waiting for a Discworld movie. Is the mini series any good?

                              What mini-series? I did enjoy the adventure-games[^], but those are a lot more fun if you actually read the books.

                              Bastard Programmer from Hell :suss: If you can't read my code, try converting it here[^][](X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett)

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                                Wow, you found one Dutch amateur site that mentions Terry Pratchett's death... I wouldn't call that popular :doh:

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                                :rolleyes: I was attempting to draw your attention to the existence of a Dutch Discworld Convention. If this is the level of your observation powers perhaps your failure to notice PTerry on sale is just that?

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  ...So here it is at last: The Shepherd's Crown[^] The final, last ever, never to be written about again, Discworld novel is finally out. I don't honestly know if I want to read it. If I don't, I can anticipate a "new" Discworld book for a long, long time. And perhaps that's a more fitting tribute to Sir Pterry than just keeping him in the Clacks Overhead Chrome extension. But if I don't, I'll miss out on (hopefully) his finest work. Does that make any sense?

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                                  Nagy Vilmos
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                                  I am in the same dilema. Wants it and dont's at the same time. :sigh:

                                  veni bibi saltavi

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                                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                    I don't think I could do that - not unless there was a big sign on the second-to-last-page saying "the next one is the last" - but I do remember the final lines of David Eddings "The Seeress of Kell": "And so, my children, the time has come to close the book. There will be other days, and other stories, but this tale is finished." And then he went on to write two more... :sigh: Not sure if I want to see that in a Pterry book, but it's kinda fitting.

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                                    It wouldn't surprise me to learn in future years that there are notes for one or two further books but I wouldn't want them to be diluted by anyone else's hand. This book has several themes that were under development by all accounts.

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                                    • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                      I don't think I could do that - not unless there was a big sign on the second-to-last-page saying "the next one is the last" - but I do remember the final lines of David Eddings "The Seeress of Kell": "And so, my children, the time has come to close the book. There will be other days, and other stories, but this tale is finished." And then he went on to write two more... :sigh: Not sure if I want to see that in a Pterry book, but it's kinda fitting.

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                                      There are a few unfinished manuscripts in various states, but according to Rhianna, who now is the keeper of the flame, she will not 'in the foreseeable future' do anything with them and that we should consider all that has been published as canon.

                                      veni bibi saltavi

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                                        There are a few unfinished manuscripts in various states, but according to Rhianna, who now is the keeper of the flame, she will not 'in the foreseeable future' do anything with them and that we should consider all that has been published as canon.

                                        veni bibi saltavi

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                                        And that's a good thing. They wouldn't be Discworld, without Pterry's wry twist, even if they followed his original plan (which I doubt he ever did, except in the broad outline). Good on yer, Rhianna! You honour your father more in refusing to bow to pressure. :thumbsup:

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                                        • 9 9082365

                                          :rolleyes: I was attempting to draw your attention to the existence of a Dutch Discworld Convention. If this is the level of your observation powers perhaps your failure to notice PTerry on sale is just that?

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                                          Member 9082365 wrote:

                                          a Dutch Discworld Convention

                                          But how many people are attending? ;)

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