Why do everyone uses antivirus ?
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I'll bet you don't wear a seatbelt when driving either? :laugh:
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
I'll bet you don't wear a seatbelt when driving either? :laugh:
Your comparison is still incorrect, and it seems that you are looking for arguments to defend your position :) ..but to answer, no, I don't have a car. I use the train. As for the house, I have not hired a private eye to sweep every room and closet - I only made sure that it is very hard to enter without explicit permission.
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Muharrem B. wrote:
Do you use it?
No, haven't used a scanner in 10 years. Haven't had a virus either.
Muharrem B. wrote:
Does it work?
If you are the type that runs code without knowing what it does, open executables, then yes, it works "most of the time". For companies it is different; they'll need to have one. Especially large companies would come under fire if they lost all their data over an old and outdated virus. And in large companies there is always a manager that opens the executable. Always.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
And in large ALL companies there is always a manager that opens the executable.
FTFY :thumbsup:
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http://fortune.com/100-fastest-growing-companies/[^] An antivirus company is the fastest growing company about computer programming. I don't use antivirus last 4 year. Do you use it? Does it work?
tell us the truth... in your computer you have a sticker that reads "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!" :rolleyes:
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Brent Jenkins wrote:
I'll bet you don't wear a seatbelt when driving either? :laugh:
Your comparison is still incorrect, and it seems that you are looking for arguments to defend your position :) ..but to answer, no, I don't have a car. I use the train. As for the house, I have not hired a private eye to sweep every room and closet - I only made sure that it is very hard to enter without explicit permission.
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That's fine, you're happy with your security arrangements and it doesn't effect me, so who cares? :laugh: As for me, I'll drive carefully as much as I can, but I'll make sure my car has airbags, side impact bars and I'll always wear my seatbelt. Of course I'll never need any of them, because I'm such a great driver..
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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tell us the truth... in your computer you have a sticker that reads "THIS IS SPARTA!!!!" :rolleyes:
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Joan Murt wrote:
in your computer you have a sticker that reads
:"THIS IS SPARTA!!!!Go tell the Spartans, stranger passing by, that here obedient to their laws we lie."FTFY
Did you ever see history portrayed as an old man with a wise brow and pulseless heart, waging all things in the balance of reason? Is not rather the genius of history like an eternal, imploring maiden, full of fire, with a burning heart and flaming soul, humanly warm and humanly beautiful? --Zachris Topelius Training a telescope on one’s own belly button will only reveal lint. You like that? You go right on staring at it. I prefer looking at galaxies. -- Sarah Hoyt
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That's fine, you're happy with your security arrangements and it doesn't effect me, so who cares? :laugh: As for me, I'll drive carefully as much as I can, but I'll make sure my car has airbags, side impact bars and I'll always wear my seatbelt. Of course I'll never need any of them, because I'm such a great driver..
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Of course I'll never need any of them, because I'm such a great driver..
Like I already stated, your analogy is broken, and no, I did not claim to be a good driver.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
so who cares
The one who is infected, with 40 PC's giving the same virus-warning after the AV automatically updates the virusdefinitions :) ..and with the majority sharing their attack-vector, it could be easily prevented.
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http://fortune.com/100-fastest-growing-companies/[^] An antivirus company is the fastest growing company about computer programming. I don't use antivirus last 4 year. Do you use it? Does it work?
Interesting question and interesting responses. It seems that in general the techies do NOT use anti-virus. They are for the most part pointless. Understand what you are doing and using a firewall is what is required. Having some process hungry program listen to every change on your system is not optimal. 0 day exploits will hit you anyways, so maybe run a scan after you see something on the news or set up your system to run it periodically (got kids? a wife? Someone may have clicked something they should not). Anyway, what I find interesting is I have been asked quite a few times by relatives (being the geek in the family) what Anti virus they should buy. I stop them right there. Why would you buy it, especially when the OS maker provides you one for free? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/security-essentials-download[^] Yes, not everyone uses Windows. However non geeks on PCs essentially do, and if it is NOT windows ask them why they chose the OS they did. If they say "because there is less viruses", tactfully explain how they are an idiot and made a purchase on a premise that is voided by itself.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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http://fortune.com/100-fastest-growing-companies/[^] An antivirus company is the fastest growing company about computer programming. I don't use antivirus last 4 year. Do you use it? Does it work?
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
f you need to scan to see whether something is infected, you are already behind the curve and at risk.
Show me someone who claims they aren't behind the curve and I'll show you an up and coming victim.. :laugh: There isn't one guy on the planet who can plan today against every current and future threat out there. We pass this responsibility onto other teams (anti-virus software companies) so that we can get on with our day-to-day jobs.
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
Brent Jenkins wrote:
Show me someone who claims they aren't behind the curve and I'll show you an up and coming victim.. :laugh:
I show you Norton Security.
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Brent Jenkins wrote:
Show me someone who claims they aren't behind the curve and I'll show you an up and coming victim.. :laugh:
I show you Norton Security.
So, what works better than an off-the-shelf security package? What do you use (obviously it has to be something you have written yourself as anyone else's software is sub-standard)? ;P
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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http://fortune.com/100-fastest-growing-companies/[^] An antivirus company is the fastest growing company about computer programming. I don't use antivirus last 4 year. Do you use it? Does it work?
There are two kinds of people in the world. Those that buy insurance and those that don't. Both types are equally unlikely to suffer a major loss but only one survives with their bank balance intact if they do. These two types also inhabit the computing world but for some odd reason the uninsured of this world seem to think it is their duty to bring the insured over to their way of thinking. 'It's never happened to me; I've never had a problem', they say as though that is a significant statement of truth rather than the mere statistical workings out of probability. By definition, after all, anything which affects a minority does not affect the majority. 'I already do everything in my power to prevent problems', they say as if this is isn't exactly the kind of thing that virus writers love to hear, the challenge which makes it worth getting out of bed, the smugness which they devote their lives to puncturing; as if the existence of things beyond their power is a logical impossibility. They are the people who stand on the roofs of skyscrapers welcoming the aliens in Independence Day. In short, optimists, the most dangerous creatures on the planet. Resist their evangelism, my brothers and sisters. Realists, bathe in the glory of your rationality. Pessimists, hold true to your prophetic insight. And never uninstall your defences!
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So, what works better than an off-the-shelf security package? What do you use (obviously it has to be something you have written yourself as anyone else's software is sub-standard)? ;P
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
You miss my point. there is NO guarantee of absolute security. To think otherwise is either hubris or folly (or more likely both). If you access the Internet, you are at risk. The goal should be to strike a balance of minimizing that risk while also being prepared to deal with the very real potential scenario of your computer being compromised. And to answer your question, I use Webroot, primarily because it has the smallest impact on my system usage though. But it's just one piece of my overall personal security package/plan.
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You miss my point. there is NO guarantee of absolute security. To think otherwise is either hubris or folly (or more likely both). If you access the Internet, you are at risk. The goal should be to strike a balance of minimizing that risk while also being prepared to deal with the very real potential scenario of your computer being compromised. And to answer your question, I use Webroot, primarily because it has the smallest impact on my system usage though. But it's just one piece of my overall personal security package/plan.
jRaskell1 wrote:
there is NO guarantee of absolute security
I agree with that. Much in the same way that when I leave for work in the morning I set the house alarm, make sure all my windows are shut securely and make sure my doors are locked. It's all about getting thing lined up in your favour as much as possible. It's not going to stop people getting in and taking all my things if they're really determined, but it's better than leaving everything open and unsecured, surely?
How do you know so much about swallows? Well, you have to know these things when you're a king, you know.
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Muharrem B. wrote:
Do you use it?
No, haven't used a scanner in 10 years. Haven't had a virus either.
Muharrem B. wrote:
Does it work?
If you are the type that runs code without knowing what it does, open executables, then yes, it works "most of the time". For companies it is different; they'll need to have one. Especially large companies would come under fire if they lost all their data over an old and outdated virus. And in large companies there is always a manager that opens the executable. Always.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
No, haven't used a scanner in 10 years. Haven't had a virus either.
Yeah, I never crashed my car, but I will always use my seatbelt. Better safe than sorry.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
No, haven't used a scanner in 10 years. Haven't had a virus either.
Yeah, I never crashed my car, but I will always use my seatbelt. Better safe than sorry.
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AV is not a seatbelt, we already established that. You wait until you are infected; your choice, your consequences. I prefer not to get infected at all. This is where the thread ends, as it is useless to repeat the same statements :) --edit I was not paying enough attention, I assumed I was replying to the car-thread. Go ask your doctor; is it better to check for STD's once a week, or is it safer to not have unsafe sex? Neither is a guarantee; but which would feel as "safe", and which as "sorry"? If you are already infected, then the AV results might not be very trustworthy.
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Muharrem B. wrote:
Do you use it?
No, haven't used a scanner in 10 years. Haven't had a virus either.
Muharrem B. wrote:
Does it work?
If you are the type that runs code without knowing what it does, open executables, then yes, it works "most of the time". For companies it is different; they'll need to have one. Especially large companies would come under fire if they lost all their data over an old and outdated virus. And in large companies there is always a manager that opens the executable. Always.
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There's this movie, I forgot which one, but these guys are trying to rob a bank or something. The crooks use your reasoning so their solution, make sure they're already inside when all doors and windows get locked. The next morning, when everything opens up, they simply walk out with the loot :)
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http://fortune.com/100-fastest-growing-companies/[^] An antivirus company is the fastest growing company about computer programming. I don't use antivirus last 4 year. Do you use it? Does it work?
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AV is not a seatbelt, we already established that. You wait until you are infected; your choice, your consequences. I prefer not to get infected at all. This is where the thread ends, as it is useless to repeat the same statements :) --edit I was not paying enough attention, I assumed I was replying to the car-thread. Go ask your doctor; is it better to check for STD's once a week, or is it safer to not have unsafe sex? Neither is a guarantee; but which would feel as "safe", and which as "sorry"? If you are already infected, then the AV results might not be very trustworthy.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
AV is not a seatbelt, we already established that.
I never said it was, we're talking about an analogy.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Go ask your doctor; is it better to check for STD's once a week, or is it safer to not have unsafe sex? Neither is a guarantee; but which would feel as "safe", and which as "sorry"?
Agree, but as in my analogy, it's not because you drive safe that you're free from suffering an accident, the same way as browsing safe does not free you from suffering an attack. The AV seatbelt acts like an antivirus, to save you from situations you cannot control. You can't possibly think you can control all scenarios. You can get infected even for browsing here on code project, which could have been targeted with a silent attack by hackers which explores a 0day flaw on the browser javascript engine. As with the seatbelt, you have much better chances of survival if use an AV.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If you are already infected, then the AV results might not be very trustworthy.
That's why it's the first thing I do when I setup an OS. And the seatbelt is the first thing I take care of when I get in my car. It's not guarantee but surely makes it safer.
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Eddy Vluggen wrote:
AV is not a seatbelt, we already established that.
I never said it was, we're talking about an analogy.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
Go ask your doctor; is it better to check for STD's once a week, or is it safer to not have unsafe sex? Neither is a guarantee; but which would feel as "safe", and which as "sorry"?
Agree, but as in my analogy, it's not because you drive safe that you're free from suffering an accident, the same way as browsing safe does not free you from suffering an attack. The AV seatbelt acts like an antivirus, to save you from situations you cannot control. You can't possibly think you can control all scenarios. You can get infected even for browsing here on code project, which could have been targeted with a silent attack by hackers which explores a 0day flaw on the browser javascript engine. As with the seatbelt, you have much better chances of survival if use an AV.
Eddy Vluggen wrote:
If you are already infected, then the AV results might not be very trustworthy.
That's why it's the first thing I do when I setup an OS. And the seatbelt is the first thing I take care of when I get in my car. It's not guarantee but surely makes it safer.
To alcohol! The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems - Homer Simpson ---- Our heads are round so our thoughts can change direction - Francis Picabia
Fabio Franco wrote:
I never said it was, we're talking about an analogy.
No, the seatbelt is not an analogy for an antivirus. The browser is merely one point of entry, and I do not consider a browser-toolbar a virus. It may be malware, but it does not replicate and infect files; it will not propagate over the network.
Fabio Franco wrote:
it's not because you drive safe that you're free from suffering an accident, the same way as browsing safe does not free you from suffering an attack.
The seatbelt is protection that only helps once things have already gone wrong; you could be dead and wearing the seatbelt.
Fabio Franco wrote:
As with the seatbelt, you have much better chances of survival if use an AV.
Even more if you install five different products. Still, you're already in an accident. What you are proposing is damage control.
Fabio Franco wrote:
You can't possibly think you can control all scenarios
I never claimed I did; nor can the AV claim the same thing. To be fair, I added the claim at the end of this post.
Fabio Franco wrote:
could have been targeted with a silent attack by hackers which explores a 0day flaw
Most virusses are not based on new exploits. Don't need to, most machines aren't that up to date either, and the most commonly targetted is not the system, but the user - there is your prime vulnerability. The bluddy manager that simply has to open the "Pamela.exe" attachment. As for the AV, most of them can be killed from code. Meaning that if you need to invoke your seatbelt, you will feel the Windows. Now try running the restore-command on the infected and half-corrupted backup.
Fabio Franco wrote:
with a silent attack by hackers
Most virusses operate autonomous, and are not specifically designed by a hacker for a single target. Hackers and virii are different things, with different attack vectors. Now, I said that there is never a 100% guarantee; but in all arrogance, I don't need to think of every scenario, I can prevent some scenario's altogether. Protecting a network is quite different from writing an AV and catering for every possible version of Windows out there, with different service packs and various levels of pa
