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  • L Lost User

    Curaçao is part of the Kingdom of The Netherlands, and they don't refer to that as Holland..

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    Most people don't even refer to those islands as The Netherlands.

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      I recently looked at a tourist guide of Holland, so I'm thinking to myself that's nice for people who want to visit our provinces North- and South-Holland. And then I see the guide includes other provinces like Utrecht and Zeeland. That's not Holland, that's The Netherlands! Also, HOL is not a country code, it's NL or NLD. I know how the UK/GB people feel... Even tourist guides get it wrong :(

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      And isn't the Netherlands part of Spain? Or at least the National Anthem pledges allegiance to the King of Spain IIRC

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        And isn't the Netherlands part of Spain? Or at least the National Anthem pledges allegiance to the King of Spain IIRC

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        In the time that we were taxed to death by Alva, some Spanish noble. We claimed to be loyal to the Spanish crown, despite being openly revolting against Alva. At the moment, we are as much part of Spain as of Germany.

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        • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

          Most people don't even refer to those islands as The Netherlands.

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          Like you said, "it is complicated". That seems to be the general status 'ere :)

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            And isn't the Netherlands part of Spain? Or at least the National Anthem pledges allegiance to the King of Spain IIRC

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            OriginalGriff wrote:

            And isn't the Netherlands part of Spain?

            How old were you again? We ditched Spain over 300 years ago ;) Our National Anthem goes a little like... "Wilhemus van Naussau am I of German blood, something something, I have always honored the king of Spain." And then a whole lot more verses that most people don't know. For some reason we usually sing the first and sixth verses from a total of fifteen. I'm not all that chauvinistic though. Last time I sang that anthem was on Queensday back in elementary school.

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            • C Chris Maunder

              I'm trying to fix an issue with conflicting country designations. Specifically, country codes. We use the country code "UK" internally to mean "United Kingdom". However, ISO 3166 uses the country code "GB", short for "Great Britain". Sort of. Great Britain is an island comprising England, Scotland and Wales, plus some other bits. The United Kingdom, more correctly called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, contains the Island of Great Britain plus Northern Island, plus some other bits. i.e. it's bigger than Great Britain. The country code for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, aka United Kingdom, is GB. GB is short for Great Britain. Except Great Britain doesn't mean the United Kingdom. Britain was used interchangeably with "United Kingdom", but not so much anymore. Following so far? To recap: Great Britain is an island, not a country. Except that it's made up of 4 3 other countries (except they are independent nations, not actual countries) and some other bits. It doesn't have a country code. The United Kingdom is a Sovereign State and has a country code "GB". My head hurts just thinking that through. You guys are complicated. [Edit: Updated to correct the bits I got wrong. Other bits I've got wrong have not yet been updated]

              cheers Chris Maunder

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              Long live the Empire!

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              • L Lost User

                In the time that we were taxed to death by Alva, some Spanish noble. We claimed to be loyal to the Spanish crown, despite being openly revolting against Alva. At the moment, we are as much part of Spain as of Germany.

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                Eddy Vluggen wrote:

                we are as much part of Spain as of Germany

                That could confuse him as we also sing about being of German blood :laugh:

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  I'm trying to fix an issue with conflicting country designations. Specifically, country codes. We use the country code "UK" internally to mean "United Kingdom". However, ISO 3166 uses the country code "GB", short for "Great Britain". Sort of. Great Britain is an island comprising England, Scotland and Wales, plus some other bits. The United Kingdom, more correctly called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, contains the Island of Great Britain plus Northern Island, plus some other bits. i.e. it's bigger than Great Britain. The country code for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, aka United Kingdom, is GB. GB is short for Great Britain. Except Great Britain doesn't mean the United Kingdom. Britain was used interchangeably with "United Kingdom", but not so much anymore. Following so far? To recap: Great Britain is an island, not a country. Except that it's made up of 4 3 other countries (except they are independent nations, not actual countries) and some other bits. It doesn't have a country code. The United Kingdom is a Sovereign State and has a country code "GB". My head hurts just thinking that through. You guys are complicated. [Edit: Updated to correct the bits I got wrong. Other bits I've got wrong have not yet been updated]

                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                  dont forget the Falkland Islands - which is UK territory, but not a UK postcode oh or Pitcairn Island UK territory, but not UK postcode and and and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_postal_codes[^] Bryce

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                  • Sander RosselS Sander Rossel

                    OriginalGriff wrote:

                    And isn't the Netherlands part of Spain?

                    How old were you again? We ditched Spain over 300 years ago ;) Our National Anthem goes a little like... "Wilhemus van Naussau am I of German blood, something something, I have always honored the king of Spain." And then a whole lot more verses that most people don't know. For some reason we usually sing the first and sixth verses from a total of fifteen. I'm not all that chauvinistic though. Last time I sang that anthem was on Queensday back in elementary school.

                    Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

                    Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

                    Regards, Sander

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                    William of Nassau,
                    I am of Germanic blood,
                    Dedicate undying
                    Faith to this land of mine.
                    A prince I am, undaunted,
                    Of Orange, ever free,
                    To the king of Spain I've granted
                    A lifelong loyalty

                    Verse 1 IIRC :laugh:

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      I'm trying to fix an issue with conflicting country designations. Specifically, country codes. We use the country code "UK" internally to mean "United Kingdom". However, ISO 3166 uses the country code "GB", short for "Great Britain". Sort of. Great Britain is an island comprising England, Scotland and Wales, plus some other bits. The United Kingdom, more correctly called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, contains the Island of Great Britain plus Northern Island, plus some other bits. i.e. it's bigger than Great Britain. The country code for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, aka United Kingdom, is GB. GB is short for Great Britain. Except Great Britain doesn't mean the United Kingdom. Britain was used interchangeably with "United Kingdom", but not so much anymore. Following so far? To recap: Great Britain is an island, not a country. Except that it's made up of 4 3 other countries (except they are independent nations, not actual countries) and some other bits. It doesn't have a country code. The United Kingdom is a Sovereign State and has a country code "GB". My head hurts just thinking that through. You guys are complicated. [Edit: Updated to correct the bits I got wrong. Other bits I've got wrong have not yet been updated]

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                      GB is short for Great Britain.

                      No, it isn't. That's where you're making the error. It's not an abbreviation or an acronym. It is, as you rightly state elsewhere a code. Moreover it is a code for autonomous or semi-autonomous regions not necessarily full sovereign states. The code for Antigua and Barbuda is AG but presumably you wouldn't suggest that that means that Barbuda is excluded? The Aland Islands is AX which includes a letter that's not even in the name and is actually a Finnish region albeit autonomous.

                      Chris Maunder wrote:

                      Great Britain is an island, not a country. Except that it's made up of 4 other countries. It doesn't have a country code. The United Kingdom is a Sovereign State and has a country code "GB".

                      No, it isn't. It's a group of islands made up of three previously independent nations and a number of autonomous territories such as the Isle of Man. Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain though it is part of the United Kingdom and for the purposes of some sports is included in Great Britain teams. Really I can't understand why you have a problem with this! ;) If you want a real puzzle, try working out why Rule Brittania praises the upstanding virtues of Britons when any true Britons now live only in remotest parts of Wales and, as you might expect, Brittany, having long ago been chased away by Celts, Saxons, and then Normans many centuries ago!

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                        Long live the Empire!

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                        Yeah - but...which bit?

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          GB is short for Great Britain.

                          No, it isn't. That's where you're making the error. It's not an abbreviation or an acronym. It is, as you rightly state elsewhere a code. Moreover it is a code for autonomous or semi-autonomous regions not necessarily full sovereign states. The code for Antigua and Barbuda is AG but presumably you wouldn't suggest that that means that Barbuda is excluded? The Aland Islands is AX which includes a letter that's not even in the name and is actually a Finnish region albeit autonomous.

                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                          Great Britain is an island, not a country. Except that it's made up of 4 other countries. It doesn't have a country code. The United Kingdom is a Sovereign State and has a country code "GB".

                          No, it isn't. It's a group of islands made up of three previously independent nations and a number of autonomous territories such as the Isle of Man. Northern Ireland is not part of Great Britain though it is part of the United Kingdom and for the purposes of some sports is included in Great Britain teams. Really I can't understand why you have a problem with this! ;) If you want a real puzzle, try working out why Rule Brittania praises the upstanding virtues of Britons when any true Britons now live only in remotest parts of Wales and, as you might expect, Brittany, having long ago been chased away by Celts, Saxons, and then Normans many centuries ago!

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                          Member 9082365 wrote:

                          Moreover it is a code for autonomous or semi-autonomous regions not necessarily full sovereign states

                          I get that. However, I would bet that GB, at some point, derived from Great Britain.

                          Member 9082365 wrote:

                          No, it isn't. It's a group of islands made up of three previously independent nations

                          Sorry - you're correct. 3, not 4, and yes, I should have mentioned the other bits. Did I mention that it's a fair chunk to get your head around?

                          cheers Chris Maunder

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                            Member 9082365 wrote:

                            Moreover it is a code for autonomous or semi-autonomous regions not necessarily full sovereign states

                            I get that. However, I would bet that GB, at some point, derived from Great Britain.

                            Member 9082365 wrote:

                            No, it isn't. It's a group of islands made up of three previously independent nations

                            Sorry - you're correct. 3, not 4, and yes, I should have mentioned the other bits. Did I mention that it's a fair chunk to get your head around?

                            cheers Chris Maunder

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                            Just use PL for Pompey Land Should cover everything..

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                            • C Chris Maunder

                              I'm trying to fix an issue with conflicting country designations. Specifically, country codes. We use the country code "UK" internally to mean "United Kingdom". However, ISO 3166 uses the country code "GB", short for "Great Britain". Sort of. Great Britain is an island comprising England, Scotland and Wales, plus some other bits. The United Kingdom, more correctly called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, contains the Island of Great Britain plus Northern Island, plus some other bits. i.e. it's bigger than Great Britain. The country code for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, aka United Kingdom, is GB. GB is short for Great Britain. Except Great Britain doesn't mean the United Kingdom. Britain was used interchangeably with "United Kingdom", but not so much anymore. Following so far? To recap: Great Britain is an island, not a country. Except that it's made up of 4 3 other countries (except they are independent nations, not actual countries) and some other bits. It doesn't have a country code. The United Kingdom is a Sovereign State and has a country code "GB". My head hurts just thinking that through. You guys are complicated. [Edit: Updated to correct the bits I got wrong. Other bits I've got wrong have not yet been updated]

                              cheers Chris Maunder

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                              Island? Should that be Ireland?

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                And isn't the Netherlands part of Spain? Or at least the National Anthem pledges allegiance to the King of Spain IIRC

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                                That presumably dates from when one of the Hapsburg's - AKA Habsburg - ruled both Spain and the Low Countries.

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                                  I'm trying to fix an issue with conflicting country designations. Specifically, country codes. We use the country code "UK" internally to mean "United Kingdom". However, ISO 3166 uses the country code "GB", short for "Great Britain". Sort of. Great Britain is an island comprising England, Scotland and Wales, plus some other bits. The United Kingdom, more correctly called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, contains the Island of Great Britain plus Northern Island, plus some other bits. i.e. it's bigger than Great Britain. The country code for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, aka United Kingdom, is GB. GB is short for Great Britain. Except Great Britain doesn't mean the United Kingdom. Britain was used interchangeably with "United Kingdom", but not so much anymore. Following so far? To recap: Great Britain is an island, not a country. Except that it's made up of 4 3 other countries (except they are independent nations, not actual countries) and some other bits. It doesn't have a country code. The United Kingdom is a Sovereign State and has a country code "GB". My head hurts just thinking that through. You guys are complicated. [Edit: Updated to correct the bits I got wrong. Other bits I've got wrong have not yet been updated]

                                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                                  Great Britain and the United Kingdom

                                  Oh dear, those are two different things?! Who knew? :rolleyes:

                                  You have just been Sharapova'd.

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                                    I'm trying to fix an issue with conflicting country designations. Specifically, country codes. We use the country code "UK" internally to mean "United Kingdom". However, ISO 3166 uses the country code "GB", short for "Great Britain". Sort of. Great Britain is an island comprising England, Scotland and Wales, plus some other bits. The United Kingdom, more correctly called the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, contains the Island of Great Britain plus Northern Island, plus some other bits. i.e. it's bigger than Great Britain. The country code for the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island, aka United Kingdom, is GB. GB is short for Great Britain. Except Great Britain doesn't mean the United Kingdom. Britain was used interchangeably with "United Kingdom", but not so much anymore. Following so far? To recap: Great Britain is an island, not a country. Except that it's made up of 4 3 other countries (except they are independent nations, not actual countries) and some other bits. It doesn't have a country code. The United Kingdom is a Sovereign State and has a country code "GB". My head hurts just thinking that through. You guys are complicated. [Edit: Updated to correct the bits I got wrong. Other bits I've got wrong have not yet been updated]

                                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                                    It's Northern Ireland NOT Island! You will certainly attract some Irish ire with that mistake!

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      Curaçao is part of the Kingdom of The Netherlands, and they don't refer to that as Holland..

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                                      Not since I played Pirates. First I looted that place and then I chased the governor away and got a fat reward for getting a new one from Spain. Arrrr!

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                                      • P PIEBALDconsult

                                        Breathe. Well, just as the U.S. isn't America. America is two continents and several associated islands, comprising a great many countries. The U.S. is a sizable chunk -- make that two sizable chunks -- of North America, but also includes some islands that are nowhere near America. The United States of North America, Western Canada, and Hawaii :jig: (Plus Guam, Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands... ) But, yeah, at least the code isn't NA.

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                                        Some years ago I worked (in England) for a US company. We were setting up a new issue reporting system, and the US team were doing most of the design. One of their ideas was to use three letter country codes rather than the internationally agreed two letter ones. Guess what they chose for US based addresses? NOR! Round about that time I really lost interest.

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                                          Chris Maunder wrote:

                                          Great Britain and the United Kingdom

                                          Oh dear, those are two different things?! Who knew? :rolleyes:

                                          You have just been Sharapova'd.

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                                          Agent__007 wrote:

                                          Who knew?

                                          Well, me, Griff, PompeyBoy and er, well I'm sure one or two of my neighbours have a fair idea. ;)

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