What goes around, comes around a few thousand years later ... Plato
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from the Phaedrus (circa 370 BCE): 'additions' in italics I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who invented numbers and arithmetic and geometry and astronomy, also draughts and dice, and, most important of all, letters the internet. Now the king of all Egypt at that time was the god Thamus, who lived in a great city of the upper region, which the Greeks call the Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god himself Ammon. To him came Theuth to show his inventions, saying that they ought to be imparted to the other Egyptians. But Thamus asked what use there was in each, and as Theuth enumerated their uses, expressed praise or blame of the various arts which it would take too long to repeat; but when they came to letters the internet: 'This invention, O king,' said Theuth, 'will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered.' But Thamus replied, 'Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their use fulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, the internet have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess. For this invention will produce forgctfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practise their memory. Their trust in writing search engines, produced by external characters rapacious companies who do not give an obol for privacy which are not part of themselves they have no control over will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center»
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from the Phaedrus (circa 370 BCE): 'additions' in italics I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who invented numbers and arithmetic and geometry and astronomy, also draughts and dice, and, most important of all, letters the internet. Now the king of all Egypt at that time was the god Thamus, who lived in a great city of the upper region, which the Greeks call the Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god himself Ammon. To him came Theuth to show his inventions, saying that they ought to be imparted to the other Egyptians. But Thamus asked what use there was in each, and as Theuth enumerated their uses, expressed praise or blame of the various arts which it would take too long to repeat; but when they came to letters the internet: 'This invention, O king,' said Theuth, 'will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered.' But Thamus replied, 'Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their use fulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, the internet have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess. For this invention will produce forgctfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practise their memory. Their trust in writing search engines, produced by external characters rapacious companies who do not give an obol for privacy which are not part of themselves they have no control over will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center»
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There is a stunning and irrefutable proof of the fallacy of this conclusion ... if I could only remember what it is!
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from the Phaedrus (circa 370 BCE): 'additions' in italics I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who invented numbers and arithmetic and geometry and astronomy, also draughts and dice, and, most important of all, letters the internet. Now the king of all Egypt at that time was the god Thamus, who lived in a great city of the upper region, which the Greeks call the Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god himself Ammon. To him came Theuth to show his inventions, saying that they ought to be imparted to the other Egyptians. But Thamus asked what use there was in each, and as Theuth enumerated their uses, expressed praise or blame of the various arts which it would take too long to repeat; but when they came to letters the internet: 'This invention, O king,' said Theuth, 'will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered.' But Thamus replied, 'Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their use fulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, the internet have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess. For this invention will produce forgctfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practise their memory. Their trust in writing search engines, produced by external characters rapacious companies who do not give an obol for privacy which are not part of themselves they have no control over will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center»
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There is a stunning and irrefutable proof of the fallacy of this conclusion ... if I could only remember what it is!
Ask in QA!
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Google says it's just over there.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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from the Phaedrus (circa 370 BCE): 'additions' in italics I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who invented numbers and arithmetic and geometry and astronomy, also draughts and dice, and, most important of all, letters the internet. Now the king of all Egypt at that time was the god Thamus, who lived in a great city of the upper region, which the Greeks call the Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god himself Ammon. To him came Theuth to show his inventions, saying that they ought to be imparted to the other Egyptians. But Thamus asked what use there was in each, and as Theuth enumerated their uses, expressed praise or blame of the various arts which it would take too long to repeat; but when they came to letters the internet: 'This invention, O king,' said Theuth, 'will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered.' But Thamus replied, 'Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their use fulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, the internet have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess. For this invention will produce forgctfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practise their memory. Their trust in writing search engines, produced by external characters rapacious companies who do not give an obol for privacy which are not part of themselves they have no control over will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center»
BillWoodruff wrote:
You have invented an elixir not of memory but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
I can confirm that. I just started my day's work in the place where such people are produced.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
from the Phaedrus (circa 370 BCE): 'additions' in italics I heard, then, that at Naucratis, in Egypt, was one of the ancient gods of that country, the one whose sacred bird is called the ibis, and the name of the god himself was Theuth. He it was who invented numbers and arithmetic and geometry and astronomy, also draughts and dice, and, most important of all, letters the internet. Now the king of all Egypt at that time was the god Thamus, who lived in a great city of the upper region, which the Greeks call the Egyptian Thebes, and they call the god himself Ammon. To him came Theuth to show his inventions, saying that they ought to be imparted to the other Egyptians. But Thamus asked what use there was in each, and as Theuth enumerated their uses, expressed praise or blame of the various arts which it would take too long to repeat; but when they came to letters the internet: 'This invention, O king,' said Theuth, 'will make the Egyptians wiser and will improve their memories; for it is an elixir of memory and wisdom that I have discovered.' But Thamus replied, 'Most ingenious Theuth, one man has the ability to beget arts, but the ability to judge of their use fulness or harmfulness to their users belongs to another; and now you, who are the father of letters, the internet have been led by your affection to ascribe to them a power the opposite of that which they really possess. For this invention will produce forgctfulness in the minds of those who learn to use it, because they will not practise their memory. Their trust in writing search engines, produced by external characters rapacious companies who do not give an obol for privacy which are not part of themselves they have no control over will discourage the use of their own memory within them. You have invented an elixir not of memory but of reminding; and you offer your pupils the appearance of wisdom, not true wisdom, for they will read many things without instruction and will therefore seem to know many things, when they are for the most part ignorant and hard to get along with, since they are not wise, but only appear wise."
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center»
Concepts over notions, that's the key. Remembering all the win32 APIs is feasible, only to have the knowledge useless under a POSIX system. Remember the concepts and discard the details... else you become useless after several years.
Geek code v 3.12 { GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- r++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X } If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
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Concepts over notions, that's the key. Remembering all the win32 APIs is feasible, only to have the knowledge useless under a POSIX system. Remember the concepts and discard the details... else you become useless after several years.
Geek code v 3.12 { GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- r++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X } If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
den2k88 wrote:
Remember the concepts and discard the details... else you become useless after several years.
When talking with young colleagues nowadays, that doesn't hold up: When they introduce the details of that super-great modelling tool, or documentation tool, or project management method, and you nod and say "Yes, that's the concept of xxx", they say "Huh? Never heard of that xxx! This is something completely new, and a lot better than all that old garbage!" The only way to communicate easily with young people is to learn the details about their new, fantastic tools, methods, techniques, and keep quiet about the seven earlier realizations of that concept you have been working with. If you have to refer to any of the earlier ones, or to the conceptual side of it, always remember to wrap it up as some old fairy tale of the old days that have no real relevance to the modern world.
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den2k88 wrote:
Remember the concepts and discard the details... else you become useless after several years.
When talking with young colleagues nowadays, that doesn't hold up: When they introduce the details of that super-great modelling tool, or documentation tool, or project management method, and you nod and say "Yes, that's the concept of xxx", they say "Huh? Never heard of that xxx! This is something completely new, and a lot better than all that old garbage!" The only way to communicate easily with young people is to learn the details about their new, fantastic tools, methods, techniques, and keep quiet about the seven earlier realizations of that concept you have been working with. If you have to refer to any of the earlier ones, or to the conceptual side of it, always remember to wrap it up as some old fairy tale of the old days that have no real relevance to the modern world.
That I don't know: in Italy we use (very) old tools and we are taught all the basic techniques in University... all the new toys are explored in the last two years, after having passed several programming exams held with pen, paper and carbon paper (to have a copy that must be corrected within a deadline to have the exam evaluated, otherwise it is discarded). One thing our professors say to us is that in many Universities they prepare much better for the job market - the current job market, that will be different in 5 years, while learning from the basics and the historical solutions one is better equipped to update his knowledge. From this my methodology: abstract to the concepts, compact them in classes, remember only the differences. All the relevant documentation is saved (I do not rely on the same document to be there in the same palce unotuched) and kept accessible and organized. I guess it's just a frame of mind...
Geek code v 3.12 { GCS d--- s-/++ a- C++++ U+++ P- L- E-- W++ N++ o+ K- w+++ O? M-- V? PS+ PE- Y+ PGP t++ 5? X R++ tv-- b+ DI+++ D++ G e++>+++ h--- r++>+++ y+++* Weapons extension: ma- k++ F+2 X } If you think 'goto' is evil, try writing an Assembly program without JMP. -- TNCaver
