Volkswagen cheat switch #2
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Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.
I thought the very same, down to the last word. :thumbsup:
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He did get to be president... so?
... and the only one forced out of office.
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... and the only one forced out of office.
veni bibi saltavi
The funny thing is that he resigned, while people below him, that was following his orders, went to jail. Volkswagen's manager is resigning, and I hear they will name the people that is responsible for manipulating the tests. Wonder if the one that gave the orders will walk free?
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Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Why the hell did they confess to cheating?
They were caught by independent testers so I guess they thought the game was up. They were first caught out a few years back and did indeed blame it on a glitch, but the testers didn't give up and passed their finding onto the authorities and the pressure stayed. They will have simply looked at the source and found the offending code. If they continued to deny it they'd only make things worse for themselves in the long run. Also I think the CEO's contract was coming to an end anyway? He probably thought he'd fess up then resign. Which he has done. I'm sure he'll find another equally well paying job at an equal position in some other company though. He probably starts on Monday. Also I think the same issue effects European cars too.
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Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.
Confessing is not a good solution. Your solution about a software glitch is what they should had done. GM confessed and it cost them cash and reputation. Toyoda never admitted anything and even though they lost a ton of cash, their reputation is still intact. Edge -> Toyoda.
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... and the only one forced out of office.
veni bibi saltavi
Lincoln was also forced out of office (albeit not by legal means)
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The funny thing is that he resigned, while people below him, that was following his orders, went to jail. Volkswagen's manager is resigning, and I hear they will name the people that is responsible for manipulating the tests. Wonder if the one that gave the orders will walk free?
I understand he will have to suffer with a pension of *only* $32 million. :(
Sarcasm - it's not just a verbal skill - it's a lifestyle!
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Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.
The same reason politicians "come clean" about their peccadillos - they had already been caught and a newspaper was threatening to expose them. As soon as they were phoned up with "we are going to run this story - do you have any comments?" they decided to become all honest. (There's a smokescreen metaphor somewhere but I can't make it work myself)
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Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.
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I understand he will have to suffer with a pension of *only* $32 million. :(
Sarcasm - it's not just a verbal skill - it's a lifestyle!
Oh, it's understandable, after all, do you know how much gasoline he will have to use in his car? He'll be ruined :laugh:
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Probably because any decent investigative journalist would've kept digging and exposed it as being far too designed to be a simple glitch which would've been even worse because then everyone would've known that they were still attempting to hide it.
JHizzle wrote:
kept digging and exposed it as being far too designed to be a simple glitch
You are talking about 'diging' through, at best, assembly, running 4 d maps of data, on an ECU. You cant 'dig' through that and prove anything.
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They did pass the tests, but with a different configuration than normal. You can have low emmissions or you can have low fuel consumption. Choose one.
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.Yes, I know that. The point is why confess? They could have passed it off as a mistake, 'some test code got in by error, honest guv' kind of thing, Would have been a lot cheaper!
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The cars passed emission tests when tested on dynamos, but not when equipment was placed in the trunk. The testing facility has been conducting these tests for over 20 years. VW got caught defrauding the public; at least they were willing to admit it rather than continue the charade. And, if they didn't want to pass U.S. emission tests, don't plan to sell their product here.
Tim Carmichael wrote:
And, if they didn't want to pass U.S. emission tests, don't plan to sell their product here
Hey, its the US, lying to make money is the norm isn't it? Like I said, they could have passed it off as a mistake and saved a lot of expense.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Why the hell did they confess to cheating?
They were caught by independent testers so I guess they thought the game was up. They were first caught out a few years back and did indeed blame it on a glitch, but the testers didn't give up and passed their finding onto the authorities and the pressure stayed. They will have simply looked at the source and found the offending code. If they continued to deny it they'd only make things worse for themselves in the long run. Also I think the CEO's contract was coming to an end anyway? He probably thought he'd fess up then resign. Which he has done. I'm sure he'll find another equally well paying job at an equal position in some other company though. He probably starts on Monday. Also I think the same issue effects European cars too.
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
They will have simply looked at the source and found the offending code.
Who gave the US authorities the code, and even then they could have pretended it was just test code that got into the product by mistake. After all, its happened to everyone in the IT industry! Doesn't matter if everyone believes or not, right now, they are up for being sued for every car they made in the last 15 years!
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Yes, I know that. The point is why confess? They could have passed it off as a mistake, 'some test code got in by error, honest guv' kind of thing, Would have been a lot cheaper!
Nope. They are still looking for the scapegoat for public execution. If they only had known what that guy was up to...
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
They tried that in April. VW Recall Letters in April[^]
They should have stuck to it. How many of us have had test code end up in our product by mistake? Its very easy, stick to the story, destroy some paperwork, lose some emails, and its all taken care of. Works for the US govt, and the global warming scammers!
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Why the hell did they confess to cheating? The cars pass all European emissions tests, its part of the yearly technical test all cars have to go through, so its only the US. They could have put it down to a SW glitch, and done a US recall only and saved themselves the utter disaster they are facing now. Idiots.
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Nope. They are still looking for the scapegoat for public execution. If they only had known what that guy was up to...
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns.They are Germans, therefor crap at deceiving people. That's why they confessed and didn't create an elaborate cover up, they aren't capable of doing so.
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They are Germans, therefor crap at deceiving people. That's why they confessed and didn't create an elaborate cover up, they aren't capable of doing so.
By the way, would you like to buy a bridge? Edit: This reminds me of a friend who once told the waiter in an Italian restaurant what the Mafia does or does not do. Their little talk ended with "I am Sicilian." In a very cold tone. :-)
The language is JavaScript. that of Mordor, which I will not utter here
This is Javascript. If you put big wheels and a racing stripe on a golf cart, it's still a fucking golf cart.
"I don't know, extraterrestrial?" "You mean like from space?" "No, from Canada." If software development were a circus, we would all be the clowns. -
F-ES Sitecore wrote:
They will have simply looked at the source and found the offending code.
Who gave the US authorities the code, and even then they could have pretended it was just test code that got into the product by mistake. After all, its happened to everyone in the IT industry! Doesn't matter if everyone believes or not, right now, they are up for being sued for every car they made in the last 15 years!
A car's ECU is no different from a PC...the code is stored on a ROM and you download the contents of the ROM and disassemble it. People have been doing this with car ECUs for years. I think it's "harder" in the US due to local laws, but in the UK you can't patent software and there is no protection against decompilation. Ultimately the US government will have the power to demand the source if independent testers couldn't access it itself, so VW will have known the gig was up.