Plagiarism...
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I want y'all's opinion on this... I just checked out a new article here[^], but I can't help but feel I was totally plagiarized from one[^] I wrote years ago. The intro seesm a bit too much like my intro. The style of teaching and math is the same. What you guys think? I'm thinking ol' homeboy done went took my concepts and passed them off as his own.
Jeremy Falcon
I read them both, especially the intros as you suggested, and cannot see plagiarism. Some things are so basic and so misunderstood from the lowly masses that teaching methods tend to become similar - I used almost the same words of both the introductions to teach the concept to my classmates years ago, but I don't really think that both of you microphoned my conversations and translated them from Italian just to post an article on CP ;P
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I read both intros: I do not experience them as similar; and, imho, they are both rather silly.
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BillWoodruff wrote:
they are both rather silly.
Really, but many people - even many users on CP, need such a intro otherwise they can't get hold of what's talking about. Even in our field there are people arguing that math is useless :sigh:
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as someone occasionally working in the field of IP Copyright Infringement, I'd have to suggest that's its the same domain but there's not enough there to warrant hanging suggest plagiarism I did find this from your article >>
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Why have you been counting in decimal your whole life?
funny - you do pre-suppose this article is for those born after decimal currency was introduced - In Australia, 1966 and In NZ (Where I was born) 1967 * ... (*ok, I'll fess up - I was 2 when NZ went to decimal currency ;P , but old-timers still remember pre-decimilisation)
1971 for us Brits - 1 was 13 at the time. This meant I was able to advise youngsters on how to convert old money to decimal when converting data about fines held on Scotland Yard's criminal records systems - We had to convert old fines held in guineas, pounds, shillings and pence (even farthings!) into their decimal equivalent.
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I want y'all's opinion on this... I just checked out a new article here[^], but I can't help but feel I was totally plagiarized from one[^] I wrote years ago. The intro seesm a bit too much like my intro. The style of teaching and math is the same. What you guys think? I'm thinking ol' homeboy done went took my concepts and passed them off as his own.
Jeremy Falcon
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1971 for us Brits - 1 was 13 at the time. This meant I was able to advise youngsters on how to convert old money to decimal when converting data about fines held on Scotland Yard's criminal records systems - We had to convert old fines held in guineas, pounds, shillings and pence (even farthings!) into their decimal equivalent.
========================================================= I'm an optoholic - my glass is always half full of vodka. =========================================================
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as someone occasionally working in the field of IP Copyright Infringement, I'd have to suggest that's its the same domain but there's not enough there to warrant hanging suggest plagiarism I did find this from your article >>
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Why have you been counting in decimal your whole life?
funny - you do pre-suppose this article is for those born after decimal currency was introduced - In Australia, 1966 and In NZ (Where I was born) 1967 * ... (*ok, I'll fess up - I was 2 when NZ went to decimal currency ;P , but old-timers still remember pre-decimilisation)
Garth J Lancaster wrote:
funny - you do pre-suppose this article is for those born after decimal currency was introduced - In Australia, 1966 and In NZ (Where I was born) 1967 * ...
You figured me out! I'm so anti pre-1966. I didn't want to say it out-right though, but it's time you should know.
Jeremy Falcon
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
The style of teaching and math is the same.
Perhaps, you both were taught by the same Professor. Or both of your Professors' Professor was the same person, or so on ... Who was the first person in history who ever wrote about this topic?
I wasn't taught by anyone how to show it like that. I mean sure someone else could think of it too, but I digress.
Jeremy Falcon
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Plagiarism is usually demonstrated by entire tracts of text being lifted. I couldn't see any similarity between the introductions other than them covering the same general area. Having said this it's always best to check with others when you have a suspicion of plagiarism and I think you have done the right thing by checking out your concerns. As as aside someone lifted the entire text from an article I wrote a few years back - it was word for word exactly the same and they claimed the work as their own(on another site) - the good people at CP descended on this plagiarist and the article was removed within hours.
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GuyThiebaut wrote:
Plagiarism is usually demonstrated by entire tracts of text being lifted.
Gotcha
GuyThiebaut wrote:
Having said this it's always best to check with others when you have a suspicion of plagiarism and I think you have done the right thing by checking out your concerns.
Well, I operate a bit differently. If I think it I usually say it. Pretty much an open book in that regards.
GuyThiebaut wrote:
As as aside someone lifted the entire text from an article I wrote a few years back - it was word for word exactly the same and they claimed the work as their own(on another site) - the good people at CP descended on this plagiarist and the article was removed within hours.
Good to know.
Jeremy Falcon
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Well i guess that's the problem of writing about a very easy and common knowledge based subject. I can't specifically spot any plagiarism within the intros. Then, teaching the same way is not considered as plagiarism, i mean dude, what would all teachers world wide do? He deserves the honor for his writing, although not for the maths and stuff behind it as he is just repeating what everybody should know ^^
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He deserves the honor for his writing, although not for the maths and stuff behind it as he is just repeating what everybody should know ^^
As an aside, I didn't down vote the article or anything like that. I just simply asked about it in the lounge.
Jeremy Falcon
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DAAAAAAAAAMMMNN! I feel so used. So dirty. So copied. Good catch.
Jeremy Falcon
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DAAAAAAAAAMMMNN! I feel so used. So dirty. So copied. Good catch.
Jeremy Falcon
Its a pity it appears to be his blog - I'd happily tell them to cease & desist on THAT one - so much for that @sshole being an 'IT Professional'
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Its a pity it appears to be his blog - I'd happily tell them to cease & desist on THAT one - so much for that @sshole being an 'IT Professional'
Yeah, I left a comment on the blog, but I don't think it's gonna be approved by the moderator.
Jeremy Falcon
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Yeah, I left a comment on the blog, but I don't think it's gonna be approved by the moderator.
Jeremy Falcon
mate - at the end of the day, sometimes you just have to say fvck-em !!! accept that being on the morally high ground is all you're going to get, and let scumbags plagiarise etc - eventually, they'll get caught out .. we all know you, we know the quality of your work, so I raise a single digit to the scumbags and suggest you move on
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mate - at the end of the day, sometimes you just have to say fvck-em !!! accept that being on the morally high ground is all you're going to get, and let scumbags plagiarise etc - eventually, they'll get caught out .. we all know you, we know the quality of your work, so I raise a single digit to the scumbags and suggest you move on
Garth J Lancaster wrote:
so I raise a single digit to the scumbags and suggest you move on
Ha ha. Preach it man. Wise words. :-D
Jeremy Falcon