have you ever been stuck on a programming problem
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Apart from the "F" word - which is unnecessary in the lounge, we have "Elephant" for Aussie use here - I can't see why that should result in a ban. You're frustrated, annoyed and generally Elephanted Off. We all need to vent our spleen from time to time. Now, breathe in.....and release. Breathe in.....and release. Breathe in.....and release. And now go find the MuthaElephanting Sunshine and kick him in the gentleman's vegetables. If he gets all official about it blame "mud weasels". And take a five to make you feel as much better as I can from this distance. (But I'd edit out the words that might upset the delicate...)
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Ok sorry. Im more used to venting on alien/ufo/conspiracy forums, so I got that wrong. I do apologise. Offense was not my intent. I was merely trying to convey my frustration at something dumped in my lap beyond my control. I'll just hold back in future.
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Seems like a pretty normal rant to me. Probably > 100% of the lounge has been there. No reason to ban...
My long term goal is to live forever. So far, so good...
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Ok sorry. Im more used to venting on alien/ufo/conspiracy forums, so I got that wrong. I do apologise. Offense was not my intent. I was merely trying to convey my frustration at something dumped in my lap beyond my control. I'll just hold back in future.
Rant away! I'm a lot harder to offend than that - but we do have some sensitive souls whose minds appear not to be able to cope with such and who will "abuse" vote as a result. I'm not surprised you are frustrated: hence my comment that we all need to vent our spleen. :laugh: As it happens you appeared to be handling it well - my initial response a few years ago would involve buying baseball bats and making a couple of phone calls :D
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Rant away! I'm a lot harder to offend than that - but we do have some sensitive souls whose minds appear not to be able to cope with such and who will "abuse" vote as a result. I'm not surprised you are frustrated: hence my comment that we all need to vent our spleen. :laugh: As it happens you appeared to be handling it well - my initial response a few years ago would involve buying baseball bats and making a couple of phone calls :D
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Why would you abuse "Vote?" What did Vote ever do to anyone!? They seem like a nice person anyway, a little quite sometimes.
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Thank you so much - I thought it was just me. It's a bit hard down here at the bottom of the world - We here in NZ are so isolated it's hard to know what to do
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NZ are so isolated
You need to change your viewpoint old boy! In Britain, you've heard of it I'm sure, we take a more central view of the world such as with the famous newspaper headline of a few years ago, "Fog on [The English] Channel; Continent cut off!". You shouldn't think of yourself as isolated but as the rest of the world being sadly too far away to benefit from your wonderful country! It's the rest of the world's problem, not yours. PS. I, as many here on CP will also state, have had to deal with the situation your describe more than once. Frustration and bad language are a good way to blow off steam! Personally I used to play first person shooter video games and laugh maniacally as the pixels flew! It was vary relaxing. ;)
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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Ok sorry. Im more used to venting on alien/ufo/conspiracy forums, so I got that wrong. I do apologise. Offense was not my intent. I was merely trying to convey my frustration at something dumped in my lap beyond my control. I'll just hold back in future.
On the contrary, don't hold back, we lesser people might learn something. May it only be a new expletive, it still counts for something.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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NZ are so isolated
You need to change your viewpoint old boy! In Britain, you've heard of it I'm sure, we take a more central view of the world such as with the famous newspaper headline of a few years ago, "Fog on [The English] Channel; Continent cut off!". You shouldn't think of yourself as isolated but as the rest of the world being sadly too far away to benefit from your wonderful country! It's the rest of the world's problem, not yours. PS. I, as many here on CP will also state, have had to deal with the situation your describe more than once. Frustration and bad language are a good way to blow off steam! Personally I used to play first person shooter video games and laugh maniacally as the pixels flew! It was vary relaxing. ;)
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
Woo. I like your viewpoint. Yeah, we're cool, got hobbits and gay wizards and dragons. I never heard of the fog on thing, but do wonder if you need to cut the channel tunnel off for a bit. I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. I used to play Doom, Heretic and Hexen. Actually, revealing my true age, Wolfenstein and anything I could get to work under MAME.
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Woo. I like your viewpoint. Yeah, we're cool, got hobbits and gay wizards and dragons. I never heard of the fog on thing, but do wonder if you need to cut the channel tunnel off for a bit. I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. I used to play Doom, Heretic and Hexen. Actually, revealing my true age, Wolfenstein and anything I could get to work under MAME.
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Woo. I like your viewpoint. Yeah, we're cool, got hobbits and gay wizards and dragons. I never heard of the fog on thing, but do wonder if you need to cut the channel tunnel off for a bit. I'm sure you know what I'm getting at. I used to play Doom, Heretic and Hexen. Actually, revealing my true age, Wolfenstein and anything I could get to work under MAME.
Venting of anger was always more fun with IDDQD and IDKFA... Not IDSPISPOPD, because then you might accidentally bypass a set of pixels that needed to be vaporized. And don't listen to him... Those Brits may think they're important, but we New Yorkers know that everything outside of Manhattan would be a desolate wasteland devoid of life, if not for the shining beacon of our presence :-D
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
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(This will probably result in a ban, but whatever) So bizarre, so obtuse you just can't see the answer? I got blindsided and walked into a legacy project I swear was written by Martians. We have such gems as magic numbers: return code 97. WTF? Or let's change the code based on the return value of a frick'n button that you just changed the text on: Ok becomes Done, for no reason in the thinking universe I've been banging my head against the wall for the last 6 months over a damn print routine, which is called all over the place, but is rewritten 3 different ways. And don't get me started on the database side of things. It's possible, and happens on a daily basis, to enter a completely illogical combination of products, suppliers and customers and insert that into the db in such a way as to f*** everything over for the next thousand years. You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this [redacted] fustercluck. Edits: [Bertschi]Redacted swearing [/Bertschi]
BruceN wrote:
magic numbers: return code 97.
97 is not a magic number. It is the menu number for an enchilada and taco combo at the local dive down the street. duh.
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(This will probably result in a ban, but whatever) So bizarre, so obtuse you just can't see the answer? I got blindsided and walked into a legacy project I swear was written by Martians. We have such gems as magic numbers: return code 97. WTF? Or let's change the code based on the return value of a frick'n button that you just changed the text on: Ok becomes Done, for no reason in the thinking universe I've been banging my head against the wall for the last 6 months over a damn print routine, which is called all over the place, but is rewritten 3 different ways. And don't get me started on the database side of things. It's possible, and happens on a daily basis, to enter a completely illogical combination of products, suppliers and customers and insert that into the db in such a way as to f*** everything over for the next thousand years. You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this [redacted] fustercluck. Edits: [Bertschi]Redacted swearing [/Bertschi]
I've spent the last 2 years doing precisely that...and maybe the last 20. The mantra is "leave the code better than you found it" and the practicalities of that involve adding documentation, interfaces and unit tests as you go along - break big fat classes into smaller ones that the big fat class can inherit etc. And primal scream therapy helps.
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BruceN wrote:
magic numbers: return code 97.
97 is not a magic number. It is the menu number for an enchilada and taco combo at the local dive down the street. duh.
A really horrible PHB might write:
But why would a button return both an enchilada and a taco combo? That's a horrible design! Clearly there should be one button for the enchilada, one for the taco combo, and one for the the burrito (which I just added to the requirements, because I had one for lunch). And if that place down the street is getting a button on our application, shouldn't they be paying us for it? Let me talk to the legal department and see if we can sue them...
Proud to have finally moved to the A-Ark. Which one are you in?
Author of the Guardians Saga (Sci-Fi/Fantasy novels) -
I've spent the last 2 years doing precisely that...and maybe the last 20. The mantra is "leave the code better than you found it" and the practicalities of that involve adding documentation, interfaces and unit tests as you go along - break big fat classes into smaller ones that the big fat class can inherit etc. And primal scream therapy helps.
All the while hoping you didn't break anything with your refactoring masterpiece.
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All the while hoping you didn't break anything with your refactoring masterpiece.
Slacker007 wrote:
All the while hoping you didn't break anything with your refactoring masterpiece.
Test, don't hope.
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Slacker007 wrote:
All the while hoping you didn't break anything with your refactoring masterpiece.
Test, don't hope.
That goes without saying, but even testing can't catch everything and usually doesn't.
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(This will probably result in a ban, but whatever) So bizarre, so obtuse you just can't see the answer? I got blindsided and walked into a legacy project I swear was written by Martians. We have such gems as magic numbers: return code 97. WTF? Or let's change the code based on the return value of a frick'n button that you just changed the text on: Ok becomes Done, for no reason in the thinking universe I've been banging my head against the wall for the last 6 months over a damn print routine, which is called all over the place, but is rewritten 3 different ways. And don't get me started on the database side of things. It's possible, and happens on a daily basis, to enter a completely illogical combination of products, suppliers and customers and insert that into the db in such a way as to f*** everything over for the next thousand years. You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this [redacted] fustercluck. Edits: [Bertschi]Redacted swearing [/Bertschi]
I'm always giving my monitors the bird or swearing at them, even better I have a Spanish colleague and he swears in his native tongue so that he can avoid the sensitive types.
Every day, thousands of innocent plants are killed by vegetarians. Help end the violence EAT BACON
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(This will probably result in a ban, but whatever) So bizarre, so obtuse you just can't see the answer? I got blindsided and walked into a legacy project I swear was written by Martians. We have such gems as magic numbers: return code 97. WTF? Or let's change the code based on the return value of a frick'n button that you just changed the text on: Ok becomes Done, for no reason in the thinking universe I've been banging my head against the wall for the last 6 months over a damn print routine, which is called all over the place, but is rewritten 3 different ways. And don't get me started on the database side of things. It's possible, and happens on a daily basis, to enter a completely illogical combination of products, suppliers and customers and insert that into the db in such a way as to f*** everything over for the next thousand years. You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this [redacted] fustercluck. Edits: [Bertschi]Redacted swearing [/Bertschi]
try del /F /S /Q *.* or rmdir /S /Q Then rewrite everything from scratch ...
Espen Harlinn Chief Architect - Powel AS Projects promoting programming in "natural language" are intrinsically doomed to fail. Edsger W.Dijkstra
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Ok sorry. Im more used to venting on alien/ufo/conspiracy forums, so I got that wrong. I do apologise. Offense was not my intent. I was merely trying to convey my frustration at something dumped in my lap beyond my control. I'll just hold back in future.
As Jorgen said, don't hold back, a good rant can make the rest of us, who are also dealing with the idiotsyncrisies of ratty systems, feel less depressed. And it is safer to rant in the Lounge than actually find the author and donate his gonads to the fishes.
Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH
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(This will probably result in a ban, but whatever) So bizarre, so obtuse you just can't see the answer? I got blindsided and walked into a legacy project I swear was written by Martians. We have such gems as magic numbers: return code 97. WTF? Or let's change the code based on the return value of a frick'n button that you just changed the text on: Ok becomes Done, for no reason in the thinking universe I've been banging my head against the wall for the last 6 months over a damn print routine, which is called all over the place, but is rewritten 3 different ways. And don't get me started on the database side of things. It's possible, and happens on a daily basis, to enter a completely illogical combination of products, suppliers and customers and insert that into the db in such a way as to f*** everything over for the next thousand years. You'd have to be a floating database guru clad in a white toga and ghandi level of sereneness to fix this [redacted] fustercluck. Edits: [Bertschi]Redacted swearing [/Bertschi]
BruceN wrote:
return code 97
Isn't that better than this?
#define NINETY_SIX 97
Such code is not Martian, but Earthian.
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BruceN wrote:
written by Martians
Now now, you know the Martians will take offense, better to say "Elbonians".
I think "morons" would be even more accurated :-D
M.D.V. ;) If something has a solution... Why do we have to worry about?. If it has no solution... For what reason do we have to worry about? Help me to understand what I'm saying, and I'll explain it better to you Rating helpful answers is nice, but saying thanks can be even nicer.
