Covering letter
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
If you include money that helps apparently.
veni bibi saltavi
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If you include money that helps apparently.
veni bibi saltavi
Indeed - Actually, I'm currently offering a free service: In order to test your application (and determine the right amount to include), just send it to me along with the amount you think is sufficient to secure the job. If I don't respond within two days, the amount was too small. Simply resend the application with a larger amount. :cool:
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Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time -
If you include money that helps apparently.
veni bibi saltavi
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Don't be daft, that's for after they hire you and it's time for a pay review.
veni bibi saltavi
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
It seems more company dependent. There are some that expect it, and then there are others that seem to act like you are not with times if it was included. My suggestion is just do a couple minutes of research before you submit anywhere. A cover letter should be slightly configured to the job anyways, so no loss as you will hopefully find what they expect if they expect it. Good luck :cool:
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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It seems more company dependent. There are some that expect it, and then there are others that seem to act like you are not with times if it was included. My suggestion is just do a couple minutes of research before you submit anywhere. A cover letter should be slightly configured to the job anyways, so no loss as you will hopefully find what they expect if they expect it. Good luck :cool:
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
I've seen a couple of adverts that say what they want in a covering letter, most don't mention it at all but it is a feature of the website when you try to apply. And of course most of the ads don't tell you who the company you are applying to is. So far I've just been chucking down a couple of lines basically saying I can do what the main requirements are. Got one interview so far (only started looking two and a half hours ago) so I'll just keep going with that unless they specify otherwise.
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
There seem to be two opinions of covering letter a) the short not too much detail "Hello, I would like to apply for this role" type & b) The complete rewrite of your CV. No matter which you choose you will be wrong, in my experience.
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There seem to be two opinions of covering letter a) the short not too much detail "Hello, I would like to apply for this role" type & b) The complete rewrite of your CV. No matter which you choose you will be wrong, in my experience.
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Don't be daft, that's for after they hire you and it's time for a pay review.
veni bibi saltavi
Could be taken at a staff christmas party. Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no MOAR! :laugh:
Anything that is unrelated to elephants is irrelephant
Anonymous
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The problem with quotes on the internet is that you can never tell if they're genuine
Winston Churchill, 1944
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I'd just like a chance to prove that money can't make me happy.
Me, all the time -
Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
All the jobs I've gotten in the past were jobs that I applied to without cover letters. That being said, I know some employers do look specifically for cover letters and it is something that distinguishes between other candidates, especially those that don't have cover letters. I suppose the higher senior positions would definitely require a cover letter (I guess that means I'm not at the senior level :^) ). However at the same time, it is a hit and miss because if you screw up the cover letter, there's a good chance they won't even take a look at the resume (the real "meat" of your application). From what I know, cover letters are supposed to be a brief intro of yourself explaining why you think you would be a good fit for the job and their company, as well as mentioning any relevant experience that especially qualifies you. But personally I think if you don't sound genuine and are using excessive verbage/phrasing to make your experiences "fit" the role, they can really detect that and it comes on as a turn off.
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
If you are going for a contract role then no cover letter, EVER! If permie, then possibly in the US, not usually in the UK and never to an agent. If you do attach one, keep it short and sweet and tailor it to the role and company.
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
As an employer I read the cover letter first, before I open the CV. I like it to give an impression of the person - I prefer it to be relatively informal - I'm trying to find out why you are applying for this job, do you meet any selection criteria in the job ad and anything that puts you above the others. I recently advertised for a tester and have had over 70 responses, so give me a crap cover letter (or none) and your CV better stand out from the crowd (and I need to be able to scan it really quickly cuz I don't have time to read 70 eight page CVS! What I need to know from the get-go is that you tick (or don't) all of the selection criteria. If I say I need Oracle experience, I don't want to hunt through your CV to find out if you do - that should be in your cover letter. If you *don't* have oracle experience, then a sentence saying that you don't, but would love to get experience, and have used SQL Server extensively does the job, too. As a potential employee I want my application to be on top of the pile. So I go for unusual. I once applied for a job where I was completely unqualified, but really fancied the job (and reckoned I could do it with a bit of initial help) so my cover letter listed all the selection criteria, responded with "I have 5 years experience doing exactly that" then in a separate paragraph I ended with "well, that's what you *wanted* to hear - the bad news is that I don't really have any experience in that role - but give me a chance and you won't regret it. The MD called me up and all-but offered me the job on the spot after chatting to me (I turned them down, not enough cash) Recently some smart-alec agency advertised a role in the form of a series of Haiku I applied with a cover letter written in limericks I didn't actually want the job at all - but I got a call the next morning and would have been put forward for the job. It's a difficult call, though; be too flippant and you can put some people off entirely even if you have all the qualifications.
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
You managed to get some completely unhelpful responses. Let's see if we can fix that. A covering letter's purpose is to get your resume looked at. Nope, it's not as common these days as most companies/agencies scan resumes and use keyword search to figure out who they will talk to. But about a quarter of the positions I apply for request one. I suggest a two-pronged approach. First, the covering letter. I was taught to use a 3 paragraph format, actually quite short. Paragraph 1: tell 'em what you are (e.g., C# developer with 10 years experience) and what job you are applying for. Don't assume they know; they may be dealing with dozens of positions. Make it easy for the person dealing with you to figure things out -- problems will get circular filed / tossed in the bit bucket. Paragraph 2: give them the highlights of why you fit the job; don't re-write your resume, just give 'em enough detail to want them to look at resume. If you're written more than 3 or 4 lines, think again. Paragraph 3: thank 'em and ask for an interview. Don't be shy. Proof read it, make sure spelling is correct and that grammar is good. If you don't care enough to make a good introduction for yourself, they probably won't care to hire you. Have a friend read your first few -- it helps to get an outside opinion. IF you know a recruiter, get their opinion on both your cover letter AND resume/CV. If it's an email, use a signature that has your full name, email address, and phone number. Make it easy to contact you, especially as the email may be printed and passed around. That printed copy may be all the interviewer has to work from. Some places ask for a covering letter in Word or PDF format. Others it's not requested at all, but I write the email according to the above standard. YOU have no idea what the recruiter needs -- best to assume they'll read the email and make a good introduction for yourself. [This has got me thinking, it makes sense to put email and phone on cover letters, like I mentioned above with emails.] While you didn't ask this question, I'll toss it out as generally good advice: Second, ensure your resume/CV has all the buzzwords to get flagged by scanning. Use spelled out names AND acronyms, e.g., Microsoft Certified Solutions Developer (MCSD). We never know what companies are scanning for, so cover all bases. This has drawbacks. Ten years ago I managed a COBOL maintenance project. I've never compiled a single line of COBOL ... but I get emails periodically for COBOL programming ... :-D
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
What I do is pull some of the requirements out of the ad as quotes and then explain how well I fit. It puts the right terms in for resume filters and for the HR manager without a clue as to what the terms mean it makes life easier.
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
I actually just send a "normal" email with my resume attached. I just tell the recipient what I saw about the company or position that made me send them my resume, and then when I'm available by which modes of contact. I've recieved my current position by a head hunter, but I also interviewed and was offered 2 other positions during the hunt. I actually got an interview by an email that was very similar to this: Header to person, I see you are hiring for -position-. I've looked at your company website and I feel I can be this person. I'm available on these days/hours by phone and anytime by email. I look forward to hearing from you. Signature That's generally the type of email I send out. Sometimes I will highlight a skill that I don't have that was in the requirements to make sure it's not assumed, but it's usually just about that layout. I am probably killilng many opportunities for myself by not having a fancy cover and resume. I feel like I do ok though. There are limited opportunities in my area without a great deal of commute, and I feel like I find them. I've only worked for 3 companies in the past 6 years though, so I don't have a great deal of experience. ( I did one other round of interviews and got an offer but decided not to move at the time)
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
This is from someone who hires people, and used to help fellow students do Cover Letters and Resumes at Michigan State (while I worked for Career Development and Placement Services). 1) The Purpose of the Resume is to show the IMPACT you had in your prior work, while touching base on areas of experience, environments, roles, skills, tools, etc. 2) The Purpose of the Cover Letter is to make the INTRODUCTION. It should identify YOU, how you heard about THEM (or the opportunity), which specific opportunity (if they want 3 positions, and you are applying to a specific position, for example). Finally, it should LINK the two with examples that can be found on your resume. Thereby encouraging the reader to read the resume looking for this information. Think of the Cover Letter as an ELEVATOR PITCH. If you were on the elevator, with the Hiring Manager, or the person looking. And you had your resume/CV with you. As you handed them the resume, what would you say??? (If you do those 2 things right, your interview ratio should rocket up) Example: Dear XXX, I am responding to the ad in the Feb 18th Sun Sentinel for an embedded software developer with Z80 experience. I have 20 years of experience in embedded systems, and 5 years specifically with Z80, and I believe it is my XXX experience at ZZZ corp that will interest you the most. Our team created automated solutions for building and burning the CMOS and EEPROM chips, which greatly reduced our test/run development cycles. We also utilized simulators to save on hardware costs, in a project I spear headed. Finally, you will notice that I have some team lead experience I believe you will find valuable. Sincerely, ... == Again, think about it in terms of the Elevator Pitch. What would you say quickly, to get the guy/gal to read your resume and give you a call back. It is quite fair to use "I" in your cover letter, but NEVER in your resume. I believe a Resume is NAKED without a Cover Letter. The Cover Letter is like what the author writes on the back of the book, to draw the reader in! HTH
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Having not got a new job under my own steam for some 15 years now (been head hunted for all intervening roles) I have no real idea as to how to go about applying for jobs. CV content / layout gets discussed on here at times, including recently, but I'd be interested to hear advice on covering letters. Looking at job websites when you apply for jobs it mostly seems to send a copy of your CV and a covering letter to an agent. What would you suggest that covering letter should contain?
Some men are born mediocre, some men achieve mediocrity, and some men have mediocrity thrust upon them.
Simple enough: Dear Sir/Madam/Pub Owner: I am the candidate you dream about after a few too many pints. I work well under pressure, until I am pushed too hard and I, shall we say, "explode", but that only happened once at my last employer - and you finding that point is half the fun of employing me. I am a loyal and reliable employee, as long as there are copious amounts of high-caffeine beverages and snacks available, for free, delivered to my desk on demand, and demand I will. You will call me and you will hire me, you have no need to look further, in fact, do not continue to look further, unless you enjoy watching your back when you leave work, or home... Forever yours, -Name- -Email- -Phone #- There, that should do it for you, let us know how it turns out!
Sincerely, -Mark mamiller@rhsnet.org