Paranoid Thought of the Day
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If you doubt it, then no. They don't send the data to any of such agencies, like NSA, FBI etc. etc. ;-)
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
Not just FBI, NSA, but they are also sent across to Mars :-)
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
Vivic wrote:
Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
Some of them "claim" all the processing is done local. I of course quoted "claim" since you have to look into the code to determine if that is actually true. In some cases the code is not provided, so you can only take their word on it. Are you paranoid to think they are sending it anyways? Probably a bit. A few reasons. Do you really think you fingerprinting access to some device or not using fingerprinting to access it would affect NSA tracking of you if they wanted to track you? More importantly, do you really think the NSA wants to track you? The last one is not making the argument "if you have nothing to hide don't worry". Its more of a practicality sense. If everyone of these readers was being sent to the NSA (or take your agency pick) what would they do with it all? Seems like it would just give them a nightmare for data analysis. They don't care about everyday citizens. With that, who do they care about? Do you think those people are paranoid and would use such a device? My guess is people that are of interest to the NSA would never use such a device and take extra precautions on digital access to stay off the grid. In other words, the NSA has NO REASON what so ever to log such common consumer goods. What do they care about? Well if you are using tor or spoofing etc. it will likely trigger some flags. I am guessing they have a whole set of flags that get triggered before they even bother with an identity. But then again, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching you. :suss:
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
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Vivic wrote:
Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
Some of them "claim" all the processing is done local. I of course quoted "claim" since you have to look into the code to determine if that is actually true. In some cases the code is not provided, so you can only take their word on it. Are you paranoid to think they are sending it anyways? Probably a bit. A few reasons. Do you really think you fingerprinting access to some device or not using fingerprinting to access it would affect NSA tracking of you if they wanted to track you? More importantly, do you really think the NSA wants to track you? The last one is not making the argument "if you have nothing to hide don't worry". Its more of a practicality sense. If everyone of these readers was being sent to the NSA (or take your agency pick) what would they do with it all? Seems like it would just give them a nightmare for data analysis. They don't care about everyday citizens. With that, who do they care about? Do you think those people are paranoid and would use such a device? My guess is people that are of interest to the NSA would never use such a device and take extra precautions on digital access to stay off the grid. In other words, the NSA has NO REASON what so ever to log such common consumer goods. What do they care about? Well if you are using tor or spoofing etc. it will likely trigger some flags. I am guessing they have a whole set of flags that get triggered before they even bother with an identity. But then again, just because you are paranoid doesn't mean they aren't watching you. :suss:
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
Fingerprints are far more valuable to criminals than they are to security agencies for the moment. With the approaches that can be used to spoof fingerprints from data how long before we start to see criminals wearing gloves with someone else's prints become common?
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Fingerprints are far more valuable to criminals than they are to security agencies for the moment. With the approaches that can be used to spoof fingerprints from data how long before we start to see criminals wearing gloves with someone else's prints become common?
GStrad wrote:
Fingerprints are far more valuable to criminals than they are to security agencies for the moment.
That is a very good point, but it is not like these large tech companies just let criminals have access to this stuff. They are even taking measures to prevent the NSA from having access to your personal data since the Prism exposure.
GStrad wrote:
With the approaches that can be used to spoof fingerprints from data how long before we start to see criminals wearing gloves with someone else's prints become common?
The likelihood of common criminals doing this anytime soon is near nil. Sure super spy agency stuff I would not doubt. But I doubt any super spy cares about getting into my devices. Although I do have a pretty shweet pron collection.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
Who cares?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
The FBI and NSA I suppose.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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GStrad wrote:
Fingerprints are far more valuable to criminals than they are to security agencies for the moment.
That is a very good point, but it is not like these large tech companies just let criminals have access to this stuff. They are even taking measures to prevent the NSA from having access to your personal data since the Prism exposure.
GStrad wrote:
With the approaches that can be used to spoof fingerprints from data how long before we start to see criminals wearing gloves with someone else's prints become common?
The likelihood of common criminals doing this anytime soon is near nil. Sure super spy agency stuff I would not doubt. But I doubt any super spy cares about getting into my devices. Although I do have a pretty shweet pron collection.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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Xaotiq wrote:
The likelihood of common criminals doing this anytime soon is near nil.
Two words. 3D Printer!
Member 9082365 wrote:
Two words. 3D Printer!
You are dismissing the access problem. Sure they could make the print now they need someone to hack into your device to get it (or the servers that supposedly have it). 3D printers can not spoof a finger print scan anyways. Not even close. Go buy the most high tech one available and it still won't work. And that is the point. Criminals are not known to spend a lot of money, especially on something that probably won't work and does not actually solve the problem. Even with the ability to make a 3D print of your finger print they still need the finger print. So now they have to hack the into well secured systems to get it (if they are even there!!!). Seems this is no longer a "common criminal". I am not dismissing that it can be done with a butt load of money and high tech gear, but that is not a common criminal by any means.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
You are not paranoid if it is true...
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The FBI and NSA I suppose.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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The FBI and NSA I suppose
I repeat: Who cares what the FBI and the NSA care about. I keep my nose clean. If they want to poke around in my life, let them knock themselves out. They will find nothing!
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
What you should be really paranoid about is what information is being sent back to the maker of your cellphone and your data provider. It's already been shown they're tracking users and collecting the data. At least NSA/CIA (for the present, at least) don't consider everything about you a marketable commodity. They actually like to keep that stuff to themselves. And if whatever it is was made in china - well, you know what they say "Abandon ye all hope who enter". So - much as you were about spy agencies, I think your paranoid episodes should be spent worrying about big businesses.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has its limits." - Albert Einstein
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"If you are searching for perfection in others, then you seek disappointment. If you are seek perfection in yourself, then you will find failure." - Balboos HaGadol Mar 2010
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
If they haven't already thought of doing it, you've just given them the idea.:suss:
Will Rogers never met me.
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We know that around the world law enforcement agencies collect fingerprints of all those arrested for crimes. In addition, the US has been collecting ingerprints of all those who apply for any kind of visa. Am I paranoid in thinking that the fingerprint readers used in cellphones, tablets and the like send our index finger print straight to the FBI, NSA, etc.?
Your government would never lie to you! Sincerely, Your government :D
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Regards, Sander
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Member 9082365 wrote:
Two words. 3D Printer!
You are dismissing the access problem. Sure they could make the print now they need someone to hack into your device to get it (or the servers that supposedly have it). 3D printers can not spoof a finger print scan anyways. Not even close. Go buy the most high tech one available and it still won't work. And that is the point. Criminals are not known to spend a lot of money, especially on something that probably won't work and does not actually solve the problem. Even with the ability to make a 3D print of your finger print they still need the finger print. So now they have to hack the into well secured systems to get it (if they are even there!!!). Seems this is no longer a "common criminal". I am not dismissing that it can be done with a butt load of money and high tech gear, but that is not a common criminal by any means.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
Having worked for a company that used the fingerprint technology in its security system, I managed a look under the hood, so to speak. For the technology to work, a live finger with a blood flow is required. The readers measure the blood flow pattern just under the surface of the skin as masked by the spirals and whorls in your print. A 3D copy of your finger just isn't up to the job. Besides, if you are concerned about using a cell phone with fingerprint security, get something else.
The difficult may take time, the impossible a little longer.
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GStrad wrote:
Fingerprints are far more valuable to criminals than they are to security agencies for the moment.
That is a very good point, but it is not like these large tech companies just let criminals have access to this stuff. They are even taking measures to prevent the NSA from having access to your personal data since the Prism exposure.
GStrad wrote:
With the approaches that can be used to spoof fingerprints from data how long before we start to see criminals wearing gloves with someone else's prints become common?
The likelihood of common criminals doing this anytime soon is near nil. Sure super spy agency stuff I would not doubt. But I doubt any super spy cares about getting into my devices. Although I do have a pretty shweet pron collection.
Computers have been intelligent for a long time now. It just so happens that the program writers are about as effective as a room full of monkeys trying to crank out a copy of Hamlet. The interesting thing about software is it can not reproduce, until it can.
First paranoia is a survival skill. Second techies wanting to make a fast buck could develop systems to make and customize the gloves to sell to criminals. Lastly I work for the government and evil intent is not the problem. It is the ineptitude of managers that sets us up for such major disasters as the OPM hack. Your finger prints are now in the hands of criminals and foreign agents.
