Win10 : Inevitable I know: hidden update keeps installing
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Thanks for the tip. As a result of your tip, I am downloading Win 10 as an ISO in case I decide to switch later. One thing the MS documentation is not very clear on: Apparently I will be prompted for an installation key when I do a fresh install. I assume I can use my Win 8.1 key, so I won't have to buy a new key, as long as I install on the same machine that the key applied to?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Cornelius Henning wrote:
Apparently I will be prompted for an installation key when I do a fresh install. I assume I can use my Win 8.1 key
No. You have to update first. At that time Microsoft will store a hashed key (hardware cofig) of your system on a server somewhere. Then when you do the fresh install it will know you are already annointed to use 10 and off you go. I've a had a new machine since just before 10 was released ready to put 10 on. Still no OS what so ever on there as I can't be arsed to faarrrkkkk around with Microsoft's shit just yet.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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No. Never update; always do a fresh install. And never with the early version of anything.
AFAIK, you have to do the update first - if you don't, it wants a licence key you don't have. Updating gives you a system specific key stored in Redmond, and which will be applied when you subsequently wipe and re-install. Otherwise Windows XP and Vista users could get the upgrade for free, and MS don't want that! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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AFAIK, you have to do the update first - if you don't, it wants a licence key you don't have. Updating gives you a system specific key stored in Redmond, and which will be applied when you subsequently wipe and re-install. Otherwise Windows XP and Vista users could get the upgrade for free, and MS don't want that! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
I expect my MSDN subscription will get it for me free anyway. :cool: But I'll give it few years to settle in.
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I expect my MSDN subscription will get it for me free anyway. :cool: But I'll give it few years to settle in.
I'd backup my system, update it, and then restore the previous version. That way, your PC is ready registered at MS as "free upgraded" and a licence issued. When later you need to install a fresh win 10, it's ready to go, even if the "free upgrade period" should end.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I run Win8.1 and I regulate the installation of my Windows Updates. I tell it to warn me so I can go through them. I originally hid KB3035583 -- which has only the function to run the GWX.exe (Get Windows 10 annoying icon). However, Micorosft has installed KB3035583 two more times on my system even though I have that item hidden. I know WinX is inevitable. This is really annoying. Every time it takes an uninstall of the update, then a reboot then a hide of KB3035583. Terrible, again. Seriously, what reason would they have for being so intrusive? Do they really believe they own my computer? I think they do.
If you disable auto-updates in Win 8.1, but enable notifications, you can then choose to never install KB3035583. I'm waiting until next year before I upgrade: right now Win X smells like a beta to me. cheers, Bill
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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I'd backup my system, update it, and then restore the previous version. That way, your PC is ready registered at MS as "free upgraded" and a licence issued. When later you need to install a fresh win 10, it's ready to go, even if the "free upgrade period" should end.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
I suppose I could do that on one of my Win 7 systems, but probably not my primary one. Getting OpenVMS 8 onto my HP Integrity server is a higher priority for me. :-D
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Cornelius Henning wrote:
Apparently I will be prompted for an installation key when I do a fresh install. I assume I can use my Win 8.1 key
No. You have to update first. At that time Microsoft will store a hashed key (hardware cofig) of your system on a server somewhere. Then when you do the fresh install it will know you are already annointed to use 10 and off you go. I've a had a new machine since just before 10 was released ready to put 10 on. Still no OS what so ever on there as I can't be arsed to faarrrkkkk around with Microsoft's shit just yet.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
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KB3035583 will come back I have uninstalled it several times. What is more worrying is the hidden folder on the C:\~BT drive which chewed up about 2 GB on my hard drive before I spotted it. Managed to stop that with a registry entry but I am annoyed that this was being dumped on my machine despite not asking to reserve a copy or agreeing to any form of download.
Tony Hill wrote:
the C:\~BT drive which chewed up about 2 GB
Thanks for the heads up. Though it is too late for me. I just installed WinX on my machine and it just now finished over my high-speed network and i7 8GB machine. Sheesh. Also, I checked and I have that folder and it is... over 4GB in size. What?!
Microsoft, I upgraded, please stop hurting me now.
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On Win7 I have had no issues after uninstalling and hiding the update.
Watch for it. I had hidden the update two times before (on my Win8.1) and it came back twice. Terrible. I upgraded to WinX today. Ah, well, we have been assimilated and we are one now. Mic-ro-soft. Mic-ro-soft. I hear and obey.
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If you disable auto-updates in Win 8.1, but enable notifications, you can then choose to never install KB3035583. I'm waiting until next year before I upgrade: right now Win X smells like a beta to me. cheers, Bill
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
I have been assimilated. I upgraded and I am typing this from Chrome on WinX. Resistance is futile, human!!
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Watch for it. I had hidden the update two times before (on my Win8.1) and it came back twice. Terrible. I upgraded to WinX today. Ah, well, we have been assimilated and we are one now. Mic-ro-soft. Mic-ro-soft. I hear and obey.
Yeah, after I responded earlier, I checked my Win 7 systems and saw that it had become unhidden on one of them.
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I have been assimilated. I upgraded and I am typing this from Chrome on WinX. Resistance is futile, human!!
Resistance is a turn-on. Thank you, sir, I'd like another!
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Yeah, after I responded earlier, I checked my Win 7 systems and saw that it had become unhidden on one of them.
Yep, it's a dirty trick, really. Just annoying and stupid. I mean if I as a user go to the trouble of hiding the update then don't play games with my system and change it without me knowing. At the least popup a dialog and tell me what you are doing or send me an email or something. Sheesh, Microsoft. On the other hand... We have been assimilated and all that we do is fine with us. Mic-ro-soft, I hear and obey. I'm Win10 now.
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Yep, it's a dirty trick, really. Just annoying and stupid. I mean if I as a user go to the trouble of hiding the update then don't play games with my system and change it without me knowing. At the least popup a dialog and tell me what you are doing or send me an email or something. Sheesh, Microsoft. On the other hand... We have been assimilated and all that we do is fine with us. Mic-ro-soft, I hear and obey. I'm Win10 now.
Actually, it looks like a newer (and slightly bigger) version of the same thing -- so it didn't actually unhide. http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/Uploads/2587207/WXU.png[^]
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Actually, it looks like a newer (and slightly bigger) version of the same thing -- so it didn't actually unhide. http://www.codeproject.com/script/Membership/Uploads/2587207/WXU.png[^]
My curiosity got the better of me and I upgraded one machine in our house to Win 10. Everything works fine so far, but I have about 8GB less spare on my systems drive. I suspect Win 8 has been saved somewhere, in case I want to go back. Now to wipe the partition and do a fresh install from a DVD. It's just the fact that I will have to re-install and update all the apps and in my case that can take a couple of days! I wonder if it is worth the effort?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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My curiosity got the better of me and I upgraded one machine in our house to Win 10. Everything works fine so far, but I have about 8GB less spare on my systems drive. I suspect Win 8 has been saved somewhere, in case I want to go back. Now to wipe the partition and do a fresh install from a DVD. It's just the fact that I will have to re-install and update all the apps and in my case that can take a couple of days! I wonder if it is worth the effort?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Yeah, I looked at a CTP of Win10 and it looked fine. Way better than 8. But Win7 is working fine and it's what's on my work laptop too, so I have no need for Win10 at this time. Yet I might put it on my "database server" which I rarely log into. What I would like is some sort of small home-network domain server.
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I run Win8.1 and I regulate the installation of my Windows Updates. I tell it to warn me so I can go through them. I originally hid KB3035583 -- which has only the function to run the GWX.exe (Get Windows 10 annoying icon). However, Micorosft has installed KB3035583 two more times on my system even though I have that item hidden. I know WinX is inevitable. This is really annoying. Every time it takes an uninstall of the update, then a reboot then a hide of KB3035583. Terrible, again. Seriously, what reason would they have for being so intrusive? Do they really believe they own my computer? I think they do.
Resistance is futile! :)
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KB3035583 will come back I have uninstalled it several times. What is more worrying is the hidden folder on the C:\~BT drive which chewed up about 2 GB on my hard drive before I spotted it. Managed to stop that with a registry entry but I am annoyed that this was being dumped on my machine despite not asking to reserve a copy or agreeing to any form of download.
But wait, there's more. I just noticed that I also have an
c:\ESD
directory. It looks like the stuff you can use to build a USB boot (recovery) drive. It's 3.5GB and it was created today -- I'm assuming when I installed Win10.
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My curiosity got the better of me and I upgraded one machine in our house to Win 10. Everything works fine so far, but I have about 8GB less spare on my systems drive. I suspect Win 8 has been saved somewhere, in case I want to go back. Now to wipe the partition and do a fresh install from a DVD. It's just the fact that I will have to re-install and update all the apps and in my case that can take a couple of days! I wonder if it is worth the effort?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
You are correct win8 has been saved on your drive but you can remove it without doing the complete install. Here are the notes -- I have not tried them yet, because I'm not ready to entirely remove them yet. http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/windows-10-post-install-clean[^] Good luck.
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No. Never update; always do a fresh install. And never with the early version of anything.
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