Win10 : Inevitable I know: hidden update keeps installing
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My curiosity got the better of me and I upgraded one machine in our house to Win 10. Everything works fine so far, but I have about 8GB less spare on my systems drive. I suspect Win 8 has been saved somewhere, in case I want to go back. Now to wipe the partition and do a fresh install from a DVD. It's just the fact that I will have to re-install and update all the apps and in my case that can take a couple of days! I wonder if it is worth the effort?
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
You are correct win8 has been saved on your drive but you can remove it without doing the complete install. Here are the notes -- I have not tried them yet, because I'm not ready to entirely remove them yet. http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/windows-10-post-install-clean[^] Good luck.
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No. Never update; always do a fresh install. And never with the early version of anything.
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You are correct win8 has been saved on your drive but you can remove it without doing the complete install. Here are the notes -- I have not tried them yet, because I'm not ready to entirely remove them yet. http://winsupersite.com/windows-10/windows-10-post-install-clean[^] Good luck.
Thanks for the tip, but I am already halfway through installing my apps on a clean install of Win 10. So far I like 10, Its user interface is a bit bland, but it seems to work well. The installation of Win 10 on a wiped partition was very quick and uneventful. Like PIEBALDconsult said above, I just like a clean install of the operating system.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
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Seriously? Install the update. Win10 isn't good - it's still ugly as sin and not as "together" as Win7 was - but it's a lot better than Win8.1. I know, I know, that isn't difficult. But trust me: update and it's immediately a better system. Just do a backup first so you can go back... From Win7 to Win 10 is another matter - that takes planning and thought. But 8.1 to 10 is easy.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
From Win7 to Win 10 is another matter - that takes planning
Really? What kind of planning? I'm sticking with win7 at the moment but I fear I'll eventually have to switch so... Even tho I haven't had the whole 'upgrade to win10' icon thingy yet.
Tom
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Thanks for the tip, but I am already halfway through installing my apps on a clean install of Win 10. So far I like 10, Its user interface is a bit bland, but it seems to work well. The installation of Win 10 on a wiped partition was very quick and uneventful. Like PIEBALDconsult said above, I just like a clean install of the operating system.
How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon
Cornelius Henning wrote:
I just like a clean install of the operating system.
:thumbsup: I agree. I did a clean install on another laptop (old celeron, 4GB ram, running Win7) and it all went very well and that laptop works quite well.
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OriginalGriff wrote:
From Win7 to Win 10 is another matter - that takes planning
Really? What kind of planning? I'm sticking with win7 at the moment but I fear I'll eventually have to switch so... Even tho I haven't had the whole 'upgrade to win10' icon thingy yet.
Tom
I had problems which were mostly connected to my Win7 login details - because I had a local login (and Win10 likes a Microsoft account) when I got set up all my files and folders were owned by a non-existent user so I could read them, but didn't have any write permissions. I suspect (but haven't tried) that if you convert your Win7 login to an MA first, this could disappear. There are a couple of messages in the lounge from a month or so ago which show the problems I had, and what I had to do to solve them.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I had problems which were mostly connected to my Win7 login details - because I had a local login (and Win10 likes a Microsoft account) when I got set up all my files and folders were owned by a non-existent user so I could read them, but didn't have any write permissions. I suspect (but haven't tried) that if you convert your Win7 login to an MA first, this could disappear. There are a couple of messages in the lounge from a month or so ago which show the problems I had, and what I had to do to solve them.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
OriginalGriff wrote:
convert your Win7 login to an MA first
You can do this? Didn't know.
OriginalGriff wrote:
all my files and folders were owned by a non-existent user
Ah not really a problem for me, I don't keep any files on local hard drive Or does it extend to programs as well?
OriginalGriff wrote:
There are a couple of messages in the lounge from a month or so ago which show the problems I had, and what I had to do to solve them.
Must have missed those, I'll go dig in :) But probably still going to hold off upgrading for a couple more months until win10 has matured a bit.
Tom
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OriginalGriff wrote:
convert your Win7 login to an MA first
You can do this? Didn't know.
OriginalGriff wrote:
all my files and folders were owned by a non-existent user
Ah not really a problem for me, I don't keep any files on local hard drive Or does it extend to programs as well?
OriginalGriff wrote:
There are a couple of messages in the lounge from a month or so ago which show the problems I had, and what I had to do to solve them.
Must have missed those, I'll go dig in :) But probably still going to hold off upgrading for a couple more months until win10 has matured a bit.
Tom
My programs were all fine, it was just everything in "My Documents" and so on was read only. Oh, and my templates for VS, Word, Excel, ... And since I keep everything there so it's easy to back up... :swearwords: :swearwords: :swearwords: The worst was that changing teh permissions has to be done on a folder - by - folder basis, it didn't automatically apply to subdirectory content. :loadsofswearwords: :loadsofswearwords: :loadsofswearwords:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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My programs were all fine, it was just everything in "My Documents" and so on was read only. Oh, and my templates for VS, Word, Excel, ... And since I keep everything there so it's easy to back up... :swearwords: :swearwords: :swearwords: The worst was that changing teh permissions has to be done on a folder - by - folder basis, it didn't automatically apply to subdirectory content. :loadsofswearwords: :loadsofswearwords: :loadsofswearwords:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Well I keep nothing in there, everything I want to keep goes straight onto one my 4 NAS systems :)
OriginalGriff wrote:
:swearwords: :swearwords: :swearwords:
I can so imagine that, that's one of the reasons I never keep anything on my local hard drive anymore ;P
Tom
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No. Never update; always do a fresh install. And never with the early version of anything.
The only issue with that is that it's so cumbersome to get the activation done if not upgrading. Else it's an automatic activation if you upgrade from anything W7 and later. Of course if you bought a new W10 (or got it packaged with new hardware) it would be a different matter, but an upgrade is designed to be upgraded. They didn't design it properly to be re-installed.
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Seriously? Install the update. Win10 isn't good - it's still ugly as sin and not as "together" as Win7 was - but it's a lot better than Win8.1. I know, I know, that isn't difficult. But trust me: update and it's immediately a better system. Just do a backup first so you can go back... From Win7 to Win 10 is another matter - that takes planning and thought. But 8.1 to 10 is easy.
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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Win10 isn't good - it's still ugly as sin and not as "together" as Win7 was
I recently installed the free "Classic Shell" on my W10 laptop and that reduced the ugly factor for me. Just a thought. :)
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My programs were all fine, it was just everything in "My Documents" and so on was read only. Oh, and my templates for VS, Word, Excel, ... And since I keep everything there so it's easy to back up... :swearwords: :swearwords: :swearwords: The worst was that changing teh permissions has to be done on a folder - by - folder basis, it didn't automatically apply to subdirectory content. :loadsofswearwords: :loadsofswearwords: :loadsofswearwords:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
Bet you were dual booting and had hibernate enabled on the Win10 side. Best to disable hibernate as this stops fast start from screwing up all your permissions. Also I highly recommend making a full system backup of the old OS before "upgrading" to the pile of... Erhem.... greatly improved offering. You might just decide to roll back.
I may not last forever but the mess I leave behind certainly will.
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Cornelius Henning wrote:
Apparently I will be prompted for an installation key when I do a fresh install. I assume I can use my Win 8.1 key
No. You have to update first. At that time Microsoft will store a hashed key (hardware cofig) of your system on a server somewhere. Then when you do the fresh install it will know you are already annointed to use 10 and off you go. I've a had a new machine since just before 10 was released ready to put 10 on. Still no OS what so ever on there as I can't be arsed to faarrrkkkk around with Microsoft's shit just yet.
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vbjay.net wrote:
...as you can see it will work.
Not going to work until at least next month.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash One Fine Saturday. 24/04/2004
