Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany");
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I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice? -
I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice?Do they state anywhere that references will only be contacted if a job offer is made? I've seen that on applications before where they ask for references up front.
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Do they state anywhere that references will only be contacted if a job offer is made? I've seen that on applications before where they ask for references up front.
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They basically told me that they have to follow up all my references before they can make me an offer.
But not necessarily before they interview you. Those are two separate considerations.
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But not necessarily before they interview you. Those are two separate considerations.
As it's post-interview I assume they plan on making you an offer. And what makes you so sure your current workplace doesn't know you're looking elsewhere? Somehow these things always get out.
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I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice?Quite simply put you can state that they are not to follow references until an offer is made. If after an offer is made they decide that the references are of concern they can follow this up with you(if you lied then this would be an acceptable reason for withdrawing the offer) - any company that treats you in any other manner is not one worth working for in my opinion.
“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”
― Christopher Hitchens
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I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice? -
I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice?Recently I had a similar experience; I told them that I could give no reference since I didn't warn the company before a formal offer and they accepted my point of view. The new company is swiss based.
'Just because nobody complains doesn't mean all parachutes are perfect.' Benny Hill
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They basically told me that they have to follow up all my references before they can make me an offer.
References are for trusted colleagues at your company. Do not include HR, Execs, or managers, in your reference list. I would call them now, if you haven't already, and get clarification.
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I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice?For me that risk would be too high. I suggest you start backing away slowly.
My plan is to live forever ... so far so good
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I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice?I've never had this happen to me...just tell them "Thanks, but no thanks". It might make them reconsider if they really want you, or you might have to stick to your guns and give the position up.
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I've never had this happen to me...just tell them "Thanks, but no thanks". It might make them reconsider if they really want you, or you might have to stick to your guns and give the position up.
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The problem is HR and the department I'll be working for operate totally independent, HR have these rigid policies and processes. This makes me reconsider if I really want to work for a big corporate.
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I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice?This could be a complex situation where your country's labor/employment laws come into play, or where your future company's legal paranoia comes into play; so I don't think there's any simple/easy generalizations that may be useful here. I would suggest you contact the person (not in HR) who (implicitly) made the offer of employment after/during your interviews, and express your opinion that while you are completely confident your references will be satisfactory, and you look forward to employment with the company/team, you have (very reasonable) concerns about the possible side-effects of their checking your references before a "final" offer is made. I'd try to make that person (non HR) feel like you are doing the kind of "due diligence" any reasonable person would do, and that you are asking for their assistance to clarify what HR will do. Another thought: if you must deal directly with HR, I'd try to meet with them in person, and in that encounter express your enthusiasm for your future employment. In other words, try to be very careful you don't express "antagonism" in any way for what they, quite possibly, are forced to by company policy. cheers, Bill
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice?References or referrals? I always react suspiciously to such blackmail and probably for good reason. I would tell them that there was an interview and if they are interested they could make you an offer, references or not, otherwise good luck.
it ain’t broke, it doesn’t have enough features yet.
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This could be a complex situation where your country's labor/employment laws come into play, or where your future company's legal paranoia comes into play; so I don't think there's any simple/easy generalizations that may be useful here. I would suggest you contact the person (not in HR) who (implicitly) made the offer of employment after/during your interviews, and express your opinion that while you are completely confident your references will be satisfactory, and you look forward to employment with the company/team, you have (very reasonable) concerns about the possible side-effects of their checking your references before a "final" offer is made. I'd try to make that person (non HR) feel like you are doing the kind of "due diligence" any reasonable person would do, and that you are asking for their assistance to clarify what HR will do. Another thought: if you must deal directly with HR, I'd try to meet with them in person, and in that encounter express your enthusiasm for your future employment. In other words, try to be very careful you don't express "antagonism" in any way for what they, quite possibly, are forced to by company policy. cheers, Bill
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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I recently went for an interview with a very large corporation, I got the job and they handed the process over to HR. HR, requires me to give up references (including my current employer details) as part of the process. BUT this is part of their process that takes place BEFORE an offer is even made! I know they are attempting to negate all possible risk, but in the process they are exposing me to significant risk, leaving me with no room to back away cleanly. If I give them my references, they will be calling up my employer, basically letting the cat out of the bag that I'm going for interviews, and all of this even before tabling a formal offer. So what happens if I decide to reject the offer? It will have completely soured the milk at my current job, especially given the facts that it's a small company and I've worked here for AGES. I'm feeling like:
try { Career.ChangeCompany("NewCompany"); } catch(Exception ex) { //ROFL, no point in catching this one buddy, you're screwed either way. throw ex; }I've not been in the job market for many years, has this become standard HR practice?I don't know which part of the world you are in. I recently changed a job and in process I made it clear that I was not willing to share my current employers contacts. There was on company who wants to include but I told them it will be a deal breaker for me and they relented. Try to understand if that is must have or nice to have deal and set your own conditions. If you are not willing to give them, tell them it is a deal breaker, unless you don't want to loose the opportunity. In that case you are stuck.
Yusuf May I help you?
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Thanks for the advice, I did as you suggested and it actually worked. I will now have an offer in hand before any of my references receive calls. Officially totally worth the risk posting it here!
I'm delighted to hear the outcome was successful ! Congratulations on your new job, Bill
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.