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    BillWoodruff
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    Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe." Program Manager: "What the hell does "ripe" mean: do we ship ... or not ?" Project Manager: "Well, I'd say it's down to only 75% StackOverFlow, 10% CodeProject, 20% open-source, 20% out-sourced, and 5% original." Program Manager: "That's 130% !" Project Manager: "Yeah, we went the distance on this one." Program Manager: "That 5% worries me though." Project Manager: "I'll sign off on that." Program Manager: "Okay, let's ship it as a release, then."

    «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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      Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe." Program Manager: "What the hell does "ripe" mean: do we ship ... or not ?" Project Manager: "Well, I'd say it's down to only 75% StackOverFlow, 10% CodeProject, 20% open-source, 20% out-sourced, and 5% original." Program Manager: "That's 130% !" Project Manager: "Yeah, we went the distance on this one." Program Manager: "That 5% worries me though." Project Manager: "I'll sign off on that." Program Manager: "Okay, let's ship it as a release, then."

      «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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      Sander Rossel
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      BillWoodruff wrote:

      Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe."

      For a moment there I thought it was EA, but they never release over 90% :laugh:

      Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

      Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

      Regards, Sander

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        Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe." Program Manager: "What the hell does "ripe" mean: do we ship ... or not ?" Project Manager: "Well, I'd say it's down to only 75% StackOverFlow, 10% CodeProject, 20% open-source, 20% out-sourced, and 5% original." Program Manager: "That's 130% !" Project Manager: "Yeah, we went the distance on this one." Program Manager: "That 5% worries me though." Project Manager: "I'll sign off on that." Program Manager: "Okay, let's ship it as a release, then."

        «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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        BillWoodruff wrote:

        75% StackOverFlow, 10% CodeProject

        With those metrics, you're bound to run into trouble :)

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          BillWoodruff wrote:

          Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe."

          For a moment there I thought it was EA, but they never release over 90% :laugh:

          Visit my blog at Sander's bits - Writing the code you need. Or read my articles at my CodeProject profile.

          Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra

          Regards, Sander

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          Well those missing % are released as separate dlc, announced before release date and sold within a week.

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            Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe." Program Manager: "What the hell does "ripe" mean: do we ship ... or not ?" Project Manager: "Well, I'd say it's down to only 75% StackOverFlow, 10% CodeProject, 20% open-source, 20% out-sourced, and 5% original." Program Manager: "That's 130% !" Project Manager: "Yeah, we went the distance on this one." Program Manager: "That 5% worries me though." Project Manager: "I'll sign off on that." Program Manager: "Okay, let's ship it as a release, then."

            «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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            loctrice
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            I've heard pretty similar conversations. it sounds a lot like the person responsible (senior dev, or dev manager) explaining themselves to their boss when nothing is getting done :)

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              Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe." Program Manager: "What the hell does "ripe" mean: do we ship ... or not ?" Project Manager: "Well, I'd say it's down to only 75% StackOverFlow, 10% CodeProject, 20% open-source, 20% out-sourced, and 5% original." Program Manager: "That's 130% !" Project Manager: "Yeah, we went the distance on this one." Program Manager: "That 5% worries me though." Project Manager: "I'll sign off on that." Program Manager: "Okay, let's ship it as a release, then."

              «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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              Smik Lakhani
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              Quite hilarious. Blows my mind that this was an actual conversation, just because I've never heard anything put that way before. I guess it speaks to how some products are created from a lot of existing code from various sources with a dash of internal 'magic' sprinkled over them (optimizations, integrations, and product-specific business logic).

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                Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe." Program Manager: "What the hell does "ripe" mean: do we ship ... or not ?" Project Manager: "Well, I'd say it's down to only 75% StackOverFlow, 10% CodeProject, 20% open-source, 20% out-sourced, and 5% original." Program Manager: "That's 130% !" Project Manager: "Yeah, we went the distance on this one." Program Manager: "That 5% worries me though." Project Manager: "I'll sign off on that." Program Manager: "Okay, let's ship it as a release, then."

                «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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                :confused:Could you at least tell the market this vendor is in? Too much Harry Potter, not enough concern for your fellow man.

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                  Quite hilarious. Blows my mind that this was an actual conversation, just because I've never heard anything put that way before. I guess it speaks to how some products are created from a lot of existing code from various sources with a dash of internal 'magic' sprinkled over them (optimizations, integrations, and product-specific business logic).

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                  More likely its from Incompetent Managers that don't know how to listen to the SW Developer and give them some realistic timeframes. Been there and Done that before

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                    More likely its from Incompetent Managers that don't know how to listen to the SW Developer and give them some realistic timeframes. Been there and Done that before

                    The Irishman

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                    Smik Lakhani
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                    Yeah, true - happens too often.

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                      Program Manager: "Well, is it ready ... or not ?" Project Manager: "I'd say it's ripe." Program Manager: "What the hell does "ripe" mean: do we ship ... or not ?" Project Manager: "Well, I'd say it's down to only 75% StackOverFlow, 10% CodeProject, 20% open-source, 20% out-sourced, and 5% original." Program Manager: "That's 130% !" Project Manager: "Yeah, we went the distance on this one." Program Manager: "That 5% worries me though." Project Manager: "I'll sign off on that." Program Manager: "Okay, let's ship it as a release, then."

                      «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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                      I'm surprised the manager could add those numbers in his/her head on the fly. Better than average manager.

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                        Quite hilarious. Blows my mind that this was an actual conversation, just because I've never heard anything put that way before. I guess it speaks to how some products are created from a lot of existing code from various sources with a dash of internal 'magic' sprinkled over them (optimizations, integrations, and product-specific business logic).

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                        BillWoodruff
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                        Smik Lakhani wrote:

                        this was an actual conversation

                        This is a product of Bill's imagination, written with ironic exaggeration as comedy, but, it is very loosely based on actual experiences Bill had ... long ago ... flavored with a garam masala of contemporary references :) cheers, Bill

                        «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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                          :confused:Could you at least tell the market this vendor is in? Too much Harry Potter, not enough concern for your fellow man.

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                          BillWoodruff
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                          Charles Programmer wrote:

                          tell the market this vendor is in

                          The market is imagination, the vendor is the mind of the reader :) cheers, Bill

                          «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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