Learnt something "new" about C/C++
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
After all, you also like PHP[^]. ;-P Don't you Sander? :laugh:
I really don't... :sigh: Although I use both in my blogs :) PHP: Web development #4: PHP in the back[^] Haskell: How to Learn and Polyglot vs. Specialist[^] Maths in IT #1: Basic set theory[^] Maths in IT #2: Venn diagrams[^] Yeah, that's quite some Haskell snippets! ;)
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Regards, Sander
Much respect for you, to bear so much pain, Sander! :laugh: I have just started Haskell, and I am very much loving it. I would give these articles of your a look, you have written a great article for Haskell. You got some more I can pay some attention to? :-)
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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Good luck on the exam ! I find that code example frightening :)
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
I can say I know nothing of C or C++
Well, you said the nothing you don't know well enough on this post to get my up-vote: that's something.
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
Thank you, Bill! But may I ask, it was "frightening" in the sense of?
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Thank you, Bill! But may I ask, it was "frightening" in the sense of?
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
"frightening" in the sense of?
I'd say it's about the same way as I feel looking in a mirror: that sense that what is on the surface is a very bad cover-up of something strange, and probably up to no good :)
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
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Much respect for you, to bear so much pain, Sander! :laugh: I have just started Haskell, and I am very much loving it. I would give these articles of your a look, you have written a great article for Haskell. You got some more I can pay some attention to? :-)
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
I have just started Haskell, and I am very much loving it.
Haskell has good parts. It certainly changed the way I do my C# programming :) I just don't see myself writing entire applications in Haskell just yet...
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Regards, Sander
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
I have just started Haskell, and I am very much loving it.
Haskell has good parts. It certainly changed the way I do my C# programming :) I just don't see myself writing entire applications in Haskell just yet...
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Regards, Sander
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I just don't see myself writing entire applications in Haskell just yet...
Same thing here, I may never write entire application in Haskell, but I would love to use a few code blocks and make it interact with the WPF applications. :-)
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I just don't see myself writing entire applications in Haskell just yet...
Same thing here, I may never write entire application in Haskell, but I would love to use a few code blocks and make it interact with the WPF applications. :-)
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Why not use F#? That's a whole lot easier to integrate with your C# projects. You can even do WPF entirely in F# without any hassle/Haskell!
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Regards, Sander
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Why not use F#? That's a whole lot easier to integrate with your C# projects. You can even do WPF entirely in F# without any hassle/Haskell!
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Regards, Sander
I know F#, a little bit. But right now I am getting rid of being "All Microsoft Geek Boy!". I am learning Linux, trying out new flavors of Linux... Currently my choice is 1. Ubuntu Studio 2. Ubuntu 3. openSUSE So, when I was learning other operating systems, I thought why not learn other frameworks and programming paradigms. I am not learning Haskell for WPF as I am not at all developing WPF these days. I am instead learning functional programming itself. From my research I came to know that LISP, Scala etc. were all easier than Haskell, which provoked me to take Haskell as a challenge. It was a great experience learning Haskell. :-) No Microsoft based programming for a while... Learning Linux, learning non-Microsoft languages. I mean, there are many frameworks and systems that a programmer must know. After all, there are many already doing the job of "Jimmy Kode[^]" in this world. :laugh:
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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I know F#, a little bit. But right now I am getting rid of being "All Microsoft Geek Boy!". I am learning Linux, trying out new flavors of Linux... Currently my choice is 1. Ubuntu Studio 2. Ubuntu 3. openSUSE So, when I was learning other operating systems, I thought why not learn other frameworks and programming paradigms. I am not learning Haskell for WPF as I am not at all developing WPF these days. I am instead learning functional programming itself. From my research I came to know that LISP, Scala etc. were all easier than Haskell, which provoked me to take Haskell as a challenge. It was a great experience learning Haskell. :-) No Microsoft based programming for a while... Learning Linux, learning non-Microsoft languages. I mean, there are many frameworks and systems that a programmer must know. After all, there are many already doing the job of "Jimmy Kode[^]" in this world. :laugh:
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
there are many frameworks and systems that a programmer must know
The average programmer only needs to know a few (and knows less) :) It's good to know a bit about everything because every new language or framework gives you a new perspective on the ones you already knew. For example, knowing Haskell made me really appreciate C# again! :laugh:
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
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I am going to have an exam of C++ tomorrow, so I thought why not just open the book, swap pages from one to the last one, then close it and go back to Haskell once again. But while I did, I asked myself "Are arrays actually consecutive in memory?". Along with that, I came to another question, "Why is
a[5]==5[a]?" that was something I never knew about before. So, I went searching for the answers and tried it on my own machine too, to make my mind actually believe that I was accessing the ath element of array 5. :laugh:int main()
{
int a[5] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
for (int i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
std::cout << i[a] << ", ";
}
std::cout << std::endl;
system("pause");
return 0;
}
// Output: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,For those who didn't know it (just like me!) the logic is that C (or C++) translates
a[5]to*(a + 5)and then gets the data from that location. Which, is similar to having5[a]that gets translated to*(5 + a). Mathematically, we know 5 + a == a + 5. Thus, compiler accepted that. I hope, I am not alone who didn't know it yet. :laugh: I can say I know nothing of C or C++. For those who want to read a thread, head over to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/381542/with-c-arrays-why-is-it-the-case-that-a5-5a?rq=1[^].The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
The compiler doesn't do
a + 5, it is worse than that - it doesa + 5 * sizeof(5), so5[a]becomes5 + a * sizeof(a), which is OK, sinceais a pointer, and pointers are integers that can be added and multiplied. Learning something new about Haskell is like buying a new clothes. Learning something new about C/C++ is like discovering the nuclear reaction - it can change you and not always for good. Please, please, don't get twisted, don't go into C/C++ land! :) -
I am going to have an exam of C++ tomorrow, so I thought why not just open the book, swap pages from one to the last one, then close it and go back to Haskell once again. But while I did, I asked myself "Are arrays actually consecutive in memory?". Along with that, I came to another question, "Why is
a[5]==5[a]?" that was something I never knew about before. So, I went searching for the answers and tried it on my own machine too, to make my mind actually believe that I was accessing the ath element of array 5. :laugh:int main()
{
int a[5] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
for (int i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
std::cout << i[a] << ", ";
}
std::cout << std::endl;
system("pause");
return 0;
}
// Output: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,For those who didn't know it (just like me!) the logic is that C (or C++) translates
a[5]to*(a + 5)and then gets the data from that location. Which, is similar to having5[a]that gets translated to*(5 + a). Mathematically, we know 5 + a == a + 5. Thus, compiler accepted that. I hope, I am not alone who didn't know it yet. :laugh: I can say I know nothing of C or C++. For those who want to read a thread, head over to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/381542/with-c-arrays-why-is-it-the-case-that-a5-5a?rq=1[^].The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
Thanks, This was the question I used on applicants who claimed (on a scale of 1..10) a level 9 or 10 knowledge of the C language. Also, I believe a[5] == *(a+5) Because a[5] gives you the VALUE, not the pointer to the value The rule as I learned it, is every [] => * level of de-referencing.
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
"frightening" in the sense of?
I'd say it's about the same way as I feel looking in a mirror: that sense that what is on the surface is a very bad cover-up of something strange, and probably up to no good :)
«I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.
Well, learning C at this era is also upto no good. But, it is worth a shot. :-) Using your example, I would be much more interested in the "man inside" rather than the bad cover-up.
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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Afzaal Ahmad Zeeshan wrote:
there are many frameworks and systems that a programmer must know
The average programmer only needs to know a few (and knows less) :) It's good to know a bit about everything because every new language or framework gives you a new perspective on the ones you already knew. For example, knowing Haskell made me really appreciate C# again! :laugh:
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Simplicity is prerequisite for reliability. — Edsger W. Dijkstra
Regards, Sander
Actually its been awhile since I have programmed in C# or .NET framework. I have been on a tour for C/C++, cross-platform Java, Haskell and Shell programming. IDEs like, Qt, Eclipse (on Linux) and Text editors to write code (without any syntax highlighting) to be compiled using command line compilers and so on. No doubt, Microsoft has provided us with great tools and languages for programming. Going into native-ness is sometimes pain. ;)
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Nah! It's for C++ people. Those people love those kind of shoot in your own foot kind of tricks! Show the world that only real man (and real woman too, of course) dare to C++! :laugh: :rolleyes:
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Actually its been awhile since I have programmed in C# or .NET framework. I have been on a tour for C/C++, cross-platform Java, Haskell and Shell programming. IDEs like, Qt, Eclipse (on Linux) and Text editors to write code (without any syntax highlighting) to be compiled using command line compilers and so on. No doubt, Microsoft has provided us with great tools and languages for programming. Going into native-ness is sometimes pain. ;)
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You masochist, you! :laugh:
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Regards, Sander
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You masochist, you! :laugh:
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Regards, Sander
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You masochist, you! Laugh | :laugh:
I'll take that as a compliment. :rose: ;)
The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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I am going to have an exam of C++ tomorrow, so I thought why not just open the book, swap pages from one to the last one, then close it and go back to Haskell once again. But while I did, I asked myself "Are arrays actually consecutive in memory?". Along with that, I came to another question, "Why is
a[5]==5[a]?" that was something I never knew about before. So, I went searching for the answers and tried it on my own machine too, to make my mind actually believe that I was accessing the ath element of array 5. :laugh:int main()
{
int a[5] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
for (int i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
std::cout << i[a] << ", ";
}
std::cout << std::endl;
system("pause");
return 0;
}
// Output: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,For those who didn't know it (just like me!) the logic is that C (or C++) translates
a[5]to*(a + 5)and then gets the data from that location. Which, is similar to having5[a]that gets translated to*(5 + a). Mathematically, we know 5 + a == a + 5. Thus, compiler accepted that. I hope, I am not alone who didn't know it yet. :laugh: I can say I know nothing of C or C++. For those who want to read a thread, head over to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/381542/with-c-arrays-why-is-it-the-case-that-a5-5a?rq=1[^].The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
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I am going to have an exam of C++ tomorrow, so I thought why not just open the book, swap pages from one to the last one, then close it and go back to Haskell once again. But while I did, I asked myself "Are arrays actually consecutive in memory?". Along with that, I came to another question, "Why is
a[5]==5[a]?" that was something I never knew about before. So, I went searching for the answers and tried it on my own machine too, to make my mind actually believe that I was accessing the ath element of array 5. :laugh:int main()
{
int a[5] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
for (int i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
std::cout << i[a] << ", ";
}
std::cout << std::endl;
system("pause");
return 0;
}
// Output: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,For those who didn't know it (just like me!) the logic is that C (or C++) translates
a[5]to*(a + 5)and then gets the data from that location. Which, is similar to having5[a]that gets translated to*(5 + a). Mathematically, we know 5 + a == a + 5. Thus, compiler accepted that. I hope, I am not alone who didn't know it yet. :laugh: I can say I know nothing of C or C++. For those who want to read a thread, head over to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/381542/with-c-arrays-why-is-it-the-case-that-a5-5a?rq=1[^].The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
For the record, this behavior is part of C since K&R. It exists in C++ for backward compatibility. I am not an objective-C guy, but suspect it has same behavior.
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"C allows you to shoot yourself in the foot. C++ makes it harder, but if you succeed, it will take off your whole leg!" - Unknown
Fletcher Glenn
fglenn wrote:
Unknown
It actually is known ... Bjarne Stroustrup: http://www.stroustrup.com/bs_faq.html#really-say-that[^]
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I am going to have an exam of C++ tomorrow, so I thought why not just open the book, swap pages from one to the last one, then close it and go back to Haskell once again. But while I did, I asked myself "Are arrays actually consecutive in memory?". Along with that, I came to another question, "Why is
a[5]==5[a]?" that was something I never knew about before. So, I went searching for the answers and tried it on my own machine too, to make my mind actually believe that I was accessing the ath element of array 5. :laugh:int main()
{
int a[5] = {1, 2, 3, 4, 5};
for (int i = 0; i < 5; i++) {
std::cout << i[a] << ", ";
}
std::cout << std::endl;
system("pause");
return 0;
}
// Output: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,For those who didn't know it (just like me!) the logic is that C (or C++) translates
a[5]to*(a + 5)and then gets the data from that location. Which, is similar to having5[a]that gets translated to*(5 + a). Mathematically, we know 5 + a == a + 5. Thus, compiler accepted that. I hope, I am not alone who didn't know it yet. :laugh: I can say I know nothing of C or C++. For those who want to read a thread, head over to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/381542/with-c-arrays-why-is-it-the-case-that-a5-5a?rq=1[^].The shit I complain about It's like there ain't a cloud in the sky and it's raining out - Eminem ~! Firewall !~
I've had to use this knowledge before for an interview. They wanted me to explain how an array could be a constant lookup, and how they worked. This example is extremely good for just being able to understand how an array stores memory and how is accesses it.
