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  • D Duncan Edwards Jones

    Tried it once, ended up drunk and naked holding a pair of Queens...wait, I may have misunderstood the question.

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    Chris Maunder
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    Yeah - see, that's what I was afraid of.

    cheers Chris Maunder

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      Does anyone use Planning Poker[^] this in their day job?

      cheers Chris Maunder

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      BillWoodruff
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      I recommend the I Ching. Just today I asked it: "Should CodeProject upgrade its hardware before installing Windows 10 ?" [^]; the reply was Hexagram 18, "Ku," associated with "repairing the damage:"

      "Winds sweep through the Mountain valley:

      The Superior Person sweeps away corruption and stagnation by stirring up the people and strengthening their spirit.

      Supreme success.

      Before crossing to the far shore, consider the move for three days.
      After crossing, devote three days of hard labor to damage control.

      What could be clearer than that, Chris ?

      «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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        I recommend the I Ching. Just today I asked it: "Should CodeProject upgrade its hardware before installing Windows 10 ?" [^]; the reply was Hexagram 18, "Ku," associated with "repairing the damage:"

        "Winds sweep through the Mountain valley:

        The Superior Person sweeps away corruption and stagnation by stirring up the people and strengthening their spirit.

        Supreme success.

        Before crossing to the far shore, consider the move for three days.
        After crossing, devote three days of hard labor to damage control.

        What could be clearer than that, Chris ?

        «I want to stay as close to the edge as I can without going over. Out on the edge you see all kinds of things you can't see from the center» Kurt Vonnegut.

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        Chris Maunder
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        OK, I'm ditching the poker chips and grabbing some hex's

        cheers Chris Maunder

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        • C Chris Maunder

          Yeah - see, that's what I was afraid of.

          cheers Chris Maunder

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          Duncan Edwards Jones
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          In a more serious note, what I have done before that did work at the start of a project was a visualisation exercise "This project will have failed in 2 years time and we will be down a post-mortem. What will we be blaming"...it helped draw out some project risks we hadn't taken seriously enough yet.

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          • C Chris Maunder

            Does anyone use Planning Poker[^] this in their day job?

            cheers Chris Maunder

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            Johnny J
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            We used to, but the last year or so, we've abandoned the scrum method for kanban. Don't miss the planning poker at all...

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            • C Chris Maunder

              Does anyone use Planning Poker[^] this in their day job?

              cheers Chris Maunder

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              Lost User
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              Yes We use it reasonably informally (v small teams) but it works really well to get through estimations quickly - as ling as there's a scrum master to move things along when the devs start wanting to know 9,000,000 things about a tiny backlog item when they all agree anyway it's between a 2 and a 3.

              PooperPig - Coming Soon

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              • C Chris Maunder

                Does anyone use Planning Poker[^] this in their day job?

                cheers Chris Maunder

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                Ender Yemenicioglu
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                Yes we are doing it during the sprint planning with days as unit. We are a team with 5 developers and it works fine. It is also good to enhance the quality of the bug/issue description. If we cannot estimate a bug, it means it is not good defined. If we estimate a bug for more than 5 days we understand we should split it, and so on.

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  Does anyone use Planning Poker[^] this in their day job?

                  cheers Chris Maunder

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                  svella
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                  We did at my previous company - IMHO about as effective as the magic 8-ball.

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                  • C Chris Maunder

                    Does anyone use Planning Poker[^] this in their day job?

                    cheers Chris Maunder

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                    snorkie
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                    I've done it, but found the whole story point thing a mess. We ended up equating 1 point to 4 hours of work. But I always tried to call out 4 or 6 :laugh:

                    Hogan

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                    • C Chris Maunder

                      Does anyone use Planning Poker[^] this in their day job?

                      cheers Chris Maunder

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                      RobertHarris
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                      I do, we use it every week (refining stories one week & planning the next) As a Scrum Master it is useful in as much as it allows me to estimate the work my team can complete in a two week sprint. Sometimes it works really well, other times we over/under estimate, but it all evens out. Using poker and making sure that the team have a refined backlog that covers one and a half to two sprints of work allows me to make sure the team are fully occupied. The second part to the Poker is making sure you get your velocity right for the team (another estimation) as giving them too much work is demoralising and giving too little means you are re-planning too often.

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                      • C Chris Maunder

                        Does anyone use Planning Poker[^] this in their day job?

                        cheers Chris Maunder

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                        SeattleC
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                        I used planning poker for a few months. I didn't find it offered much advantage over just talking about how long things would take. We never understood why some numbers were on cards, and others were not. It wasn't powers-of-two or fibonacci. We were told not to equate numbers to days, but nobody could make estimates unless they did equate numbers to days. There was endless confusion and disagreement on whether it was or was not possible to consider tasks that took less than one day. Could you realistically schedule two half-day tasks in one day, or would unexpected add-ons prevent you ever succeeding at this? The scrum master would beat us up if we estimated too high, so the estimates were always too low. We totalled up the number of engineer work days, and always scheduled this many days of projects, so we always ran over. We had sixty minute standups where the team watched the scrum master update TFS. We never looked back to compute our velocity. The team all knew we were scheduling too much work, but we weren't allowed to change the process. We were agile in exactly the same way as a rhinocerous in ballet slippers.

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