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  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

    Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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    Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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    And last week I was thinking about to check this SP1 - now I think that even a VM is waste of time ans space...

    Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

    "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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    • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

      And last week I was thinking about to check this SP1 - now I think that even a VM is waste of time ans space...

      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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      OriginalGriff
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      I'm trying to rollback the update via a restore point - but that needs my windows password, so if got to reboot back into windows to find that, so I can unboit back ty recovery mode to see if windows created a restore point before it cr@pped allover my computer...:sigh: It looks like it's a windows sockets problem - like there aren't any or something.

      Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

      "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
      "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

        Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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        Daniel Pfeffer
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        Now you know how MS improved Security Essentials - if there's no internet connection, there are (almost) no viruses. :|

        If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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        • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

          Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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          OriginalGriff
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          OK - it's not hardware. I've changed HDD to a spare I used for test restores before the Win10 "upgrade" and it boots Win7 with full networking(I may have mentioned that I like backups before?). So it's the latest MS Win10 update that has b*gg*r*d my system. And gawd, but I'd forgotten just how pretty Win7 was, how "together", how seamless. But...Windows 10 it must be, I guess. So I'll download the latest Win10 ISO on this, and reinstall for a clean setup on a third HDD. Maybe that'll "just work"...

          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

            OK - it's not hardware. I've changed HDD to a spare I used for test restores before the Win10 "upgrade" and it boots Win7 with full networking(I may have mentioned that I like backups before?). So it's the latest MS Win10 update that has b*gg*r*d my system. And gawd, but I'd forgotten just how pretty Win7 was, how "together", how seamless. But...Windows 10 it must be, I guess. So I'll download the latest Win10 ISO on this, and reinstall for a clean setup on a third HDD. Maybe that'll "just work"...

            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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            Aren't you wasting time here? Stick with 7!

            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

            "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

              Aren't you wasting time here? Stick with 7!

              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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              OriginalGriff
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              #7

              Get thee behind me Satan! :laugh:

              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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              • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                Aren't you wasting time here? Stick with 7!

                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                Daniel Pfeffer
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                With the exception of Win10 VMs (to verify that my software runs properly on Win10), I intend to have nothing to do with it. The UI is horrible, the snooping is intolerable, and the bugs are incredible. Other than that, it's the perfect O/S. :|

                If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                  Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

                  Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Offline
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                  Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                  From Windows 10 November update: FAQ[^]... 1. "Windows 10 is a service" - I think you should install an OS first to run a service... 2. "If it’s been less than 31 days since you upgraded to Windows 10, you won’t get the November update right away; this will allow you to go back to your previous version of Windows" - obviously there is no going-back after this update. Don't even dream about 7...

                  Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                  "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                  • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                    I'm trying to rollback the update via a restore point - but that needs my windows password, so if got to reboot back into windows to find that, so I can unboit back ty recovery mode to see if windows created a restore point before it cr@pped allover my computer...:sigh: It looks like it's a windows sockets problem - like there aren't any or something.

                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                    Mycroft Holmes
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                    Put all your password into passwordsafe (or a similar product) let it live in dropbox (or a similar service) synch it to your portable bits. Why do people who a religious about backups not do this to passowrds! :(

                    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                    • D Daniel Pfeffer

                      With the exception of Win10 VMs (to verify that my software runs properly on Win10), I intend to have nothing to do with it. The UI is horrible, the snooping is intolerable, and the bugs are incredible. Other than that, it's the perfect O/S. :|

                      If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                      Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                      perfect O/S

                      You missed it there :-)...Microsoft clearly states, that Windows 10 is a service - no OS anymore. If you want OS you should look elsewhere... :-)

                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                      "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                      • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                        From Windows 10 November update: FAQ[^]... 1. "Windows 10 is a service" - I think you should install an OS first to run a service... 2. "If it’s been less than 31 days since you upgraded to Windows 10, you won’t get the November update right away; this will allow you to go back to your previous version of Windows" - obviously there is no going-back after this update. Don't even dream about 7...

                        Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                        OriginalGriff
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                        My PC is currently running Win 7 to d download the Win 10 ISO ... and it's sooooooooo pretty ...

                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                        "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                        "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                        • M Mycroft Holmes

                          Put all your password into passwordsafe (or a similar product) let it live in dropbox (or a similar service) synch it to your portable bits. Why do people who a religious about backups not do this to passowrds! :(

                          Never underestimate the power of human stupidity RAH

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                          OriginalGriff
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                          I have my own password manager, which is backed up every which way I can think of - but it only runs on Windows because I haven't got round to learning Android yet...

                          Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                          "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                          "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                          • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                            My PC is currently running Win 7 to d download the Win 10 ISO ... and it's sooooooooo pretty ...

                            Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                            Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                            After playing with Windows 10 preview went to update my base-VM for Windows 7 to block the 10 update for every new copy I create...

                            Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                            "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                            • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                              After playing with Windows 10 preview went to update my base-VM for Windows 7 to block the 10 update for every new copy I create...

                              Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                              OriginalGriff
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                              It's not that bad - if you think of it as Win 8 SP2. But then being "better than Win 8" isn't exactly much of a milestone. It works, normally. And provided you don't want to do anything complicated (like tell it what to actually do) the it's OK, if ugly. But as soon as anything goes wrong it turns back into Win8.0 with DOS 2 error messages and "ease of use". :sigh: Trouble is that I support a few people, and if I don't run it then I can't check what they are saying and have to drive over to see them and work it out there.

                              Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                              "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                              "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                              • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                It's not that bad - if you think of it as Win 8 SP2. But then being "better than Win 8" isn't exactly much of a milestone. It works, normally. And provided you don't want to do anything complicated (like tell it what to actually do) the it's OK, if ugly. But as soon as anything goes wrong it turns back into Win8.0 with DOS 2 error messages and "ease of use". :sigh: Trouble is that I support a few people, and if I don't run it then I can't check what they are saying and have to drive over to see them and work it out there.

                                Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                                I always thought, that we are lucky to be a larger company and to be able to set to our customer, which OS to use and which not...A great help...

                                Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                                "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                                • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                  Windows10 updated yesterday - and was a PITA about it. Finally completed, I turned off for the night and relaxed. This morning though... :mad: No network. None whatsoever. My adapter doesn't even switch into gigabit mode... And win 10 is refusing to admit any connection exists, or to add a new one. Why do you do this Microsoft? Why do you make me hate windows10? And why is the new settings app so completely useless? Two hours, the reboots, and it *might* be ready to admit that my Ethernet network actually exists - not actually connect to it, no. But existence is a start...

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                                  Lost User
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                                  Maybe something in this thread will help?: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_web/windows-sockets-registry-entries-for-network/3afc7f70-213a-4ef5-9a78-b196a867354e?auth=1[^]

                                  How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon

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                                  • L Lost User

                                    Maybe something in this thread will help?: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_web/windows-sockets-registry-entries-for-network/3afc7f70-213a-4ef5-9a78-b196a867354e?auth=1[^]

                                    How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon

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                                    OriginalGriff
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                                    :laugh: I found that about 06:30 this morning! Win 10 IS currently installing from ISO onto a third 1TB HDD... Then I can look at adding Chrome, SQL, VS, ... And my apps and data. Then yet another backup... :D

                                    Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

                                    "I have no idea what I did, but I'm taking full credit for it." - ThisOldTony
                                    "Common sense is so rare these days, it should be classified as a super power" - Random T-shirt

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                                    • L Lost User

                                      Maybe something in this thread will help?: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/insider/forum/insider_wintp-insider_web/windows-sockets-registry-entries-for-network/3afc7f70-213a-4ef5-9a78-b196a867354e?auth=1[^]

                                      How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon

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                                      Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter
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                                      And if it does help, that means, that Microsoft was able to reintroduce a bug from early preview version - great job!

                                      Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

                                      "It never ceases to amaze me that a spacecraft launched in 1977 can be fixed remotely from Earth." ― Brian Cox

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                                      • OriginalGriffO OriginalGriff

                                        :laugh: I found that about 06:30 this morning! Win 10 IS currently installing from ISO onto a third 1TB HDD... Then I can look at adding Chrome, SQL, VS, ... And my apps and data. Then yet another backup... :D

                                        Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...

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                                        Lost User
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                                        #20

                                        So far I did 3 "clean" installs of 10 from an ISO disc. Everything just worked for me.

                                        How do we preserve the wisdom men will need, when their violent passions are spent? - The Lost Horizon

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                                        • Kornfeld Eliyahu PeterK Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter

                                          Daniel Pfeffer wrote:

                                          perfect O/S

                                          You missed it there :-)...Microsoft clearly states, that Windows 10 is a service - no OS anymore. If you want OS you should look elsewhere... :-)

                                          Skipper: We'll fix it. Alex: Fix it? How you gonna fix this? Skipper: Grit, spit and a whole lotta duct tape.

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                                          Daniel Pfeffer
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                                          Kornfeld Eliyahu Peter wrote:

                                          Windows 10 is a service

                                          There is another usage of the word 'service' (as a verb, not a noun), but I'm not sure it is KSS.

                                          If you have an important point to make, don't try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack. --Winston Churchill

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