Upgrades
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It would be a clean install to skip the first (upgrade) step and then format the HDD.
That's fine if you want to pay for your copy of Win10. But if you want to upgrade for free, MS needs to check if you have a valid OS. this is done during the upgrade. Then it also saves a few hash values representing your hardware, that allows you to make a clean install afterwards.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Because clean installs are always more stable. I'm going to follow his suggestion.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Jörgen Andersson wrote:
Because clean installs are always more stable.
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Pretty sure that's what Jochen meant. Why do step #1 (ie. upgrade)?
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See my answer to Jochen.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I obtained my machine two years back and you can probably add a year or two to that in terms of when it came into production and I am one of the zero problems bods. So, yeah, age could have something to do with it. It also seems that desktops do better than laptops. Of course, if what you're really asking is "Can I justify to my spouse/special friend/business partner/mother/bank manager getting a new computer purely for the joy of using W10?" then who am I to say no? ;)
I have found that the "safe boot" mode that is on newer laptops is pretty good at preventing changes in the operating system. Upgrading to Win7 from Win8 was terrible, and going to Win10 from Win7 was almost impossible for me.
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I am just wondering something. In the threads below I am reading about people having disasterous times upgrading their machines to Win 10, and then someone replies that they had no problems at all. What is the relative age of the hardware of those with problems compared to those with no problems at all? I am betting the newer the hardware, the less problems being had. My machine is 5 years old and running Win 7. Should I attempt to upgrade? I am thinking not.
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I've successfully upgraded a celeron-based laptop (Toshiba) which was at least 5 years old. Actually, once Win10 was installed the computer perfomed better than it previously did under win7 -- I don't have actual perf stats, but just seemed better from a user-perspective. Good luck.
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running Win 7. Should I attempt to upgrade? I am thinking not.
If it runs Win7 why upgrade? I am writing this on Win10 (upraded from 8) and find it little different to Win7 (mind you I run Firefox & Thunderbird (never really trusted Outlook since I got a virus and Outlook turned off the Virus killer!)) so I can't comment on Edge or Mail. The only reason I ended up with 8 was my XP box died and I couldn't get a 7 box with the speed I needed!
I upgraded my Win8.1 laptop to Win10. Saw no real difference (obviously). I upgraded an old laptop to Win10 from Win7 and honestly again, there really aren't any features that you get from Win10. The old win7 laptop seemed to perform a bit better after installing win10 -- maybe related to using the disk more efficiently? My point: I agree with you -- Win7 is good enough Win8 nor Win10 get you much, except being current.
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I am just wondering something. In the threads below I am reading about people having disasterous times upgrading their machines to Win 10, and then someone replies that they had no problems at all. What is the relative age of the hardware of those with problems compared to those with no problems at all? I am betting the newer the hardware, the less problems being had. My machine is 5 years old and running Win 7. Should I attempt to upgrade? I am thinking not.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
I'm not sure if age is a factor. :-O I upgraded almost 5 years Lenovo Yoga two weeks back with no problem, well sort of. Initially I kept getting errors after errors. After some googling and looking up on MS site, it turned out to be AV related. I disabled Windows Defendor and it completed with no hiccups. With that been said, I won't rule age out :~
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See my answer to Jochen.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Yes, but he seems to think the November release of Win 10 will accept Windows 7/8 keys which would eliminate the need for that step. I have no idea if his statement about the Win 7/8 keys is true.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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Is AOMEI a general recommendation? I always used Ghost in the old times, but I don't have access to it anymore.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
Update: The latest version of AOMEI appears to have gone all Windows 10 - the UI is the same, but twice the size! :omg: But I fixed it: Menu...Settings...Other, "Enable Large Window Mode" tick. "OK". Restart now. Menu...Settings...Other, "Enable Large Window Mode" untick. "OK". Restart now. Much better!
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Yes, but he seems to think the November release of Win 10 will accept Windows 7/8 keys which would eliminate the need for that step. I have no idea if his statement about the Win 7/8 keys is true.
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
I don't know either, but I wouldn't take any chances until I read it on Microsofts site.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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I don't know either, but I wouldn't take any chances until I read it on Microsofts site.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
True - however its a non-issue for me right now. At home, while my 7 year old iMac likely has the horsepower to dual-boot Windows 10 the folks at Apple chose not to create drivers for it so I'm plateaued at Windows 7. At work, my 3 year old Dell laptop might be fully supported by Windows 10 but the Siemens software I use everyday isn't and never will be so I'm plateaued at Windows 7. Good thing I like Windows 7... :-D
There are two types of people in this world: those that pronounce GIF with a soft G, and those who do not deserve to speak words, ever.
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I am just wondering something. In the threads below I am reading about people having disasterous times upgrading their machines to Win 10, and then someone replies that they had no problems at all. What is the relative age of the hardware of those with problems compared to those with no problems at all? I am betting the newer the hardware, the less problems being had. My machine is 5 years old and running Win 7. Should I attempt to upgrade? I am thinking not.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
I upgraded my 4 year old home system to Windows 10. It worked through the first reboot and then got increasingly worse until it wouldn't boot at all. I put Windows 8.1 on and it works fine (yes, I'm one of those who actually likes 8.1) and is slightly more stable than Windows 7 was on that box. My oldest daughter upgraded to windows 10 on her six year old Inspiron (which she inherited from her sister) and it apparently went perfect. And she likes it. My ex-wife's Inspiron laptop, however, is reported to have serious problems with Windows 10--IIRC, after booting, you have to close it, let it sleep and then open and wake it. She chose not to try it, though I think it would help her laptop performance if it fully worked. My two sons and youngest daughter all chose to not upgrade. The sons because they don't want to deal with it and the daughter because she didn't like it (after trying it out at Best Buy on the same Asus laptop which she has.) The Windows 8.x and 10 kernels are very good and leaner than Windows 7, but peripheral support for Windows 10 seems rather inconsistent.
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I am on the verge of reinstalling Win7 on a 6 year old desktop. So, why not just go with the hive and go with the latest and greatest? Because I like 7 better than 10. I am familiar/comfortable and productive with it. I have it on a new laptop, and don't see enough new features that make it worthwhile...I don't need Cortana, Edge, or that big ugly start menu! :laugh:
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kmoorevs wrote:
big ugly start menu!
Funny that you said that since both my youngest daughter and I find the Windows 8.x start screen much more usable than that [Windows 10] "menu". The white on black jump lists also annoyed the crap out of me. Oh, and Edge is atrociously bad.
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I am just wondering something. In the threads below I am reading about people having disasterous times upgrading their machines to Win 10, and then someone replies that they had no problems at all. What is the relative age of the hardware of those with problems compared to those with no problems at all? I am betting the newer the hardware, the less problems being had. My machine is 5 years old and running Win 7. Should I attempt to upgrade? I am thinking not.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
It's not the age of the hardware itself, its the length of time the OS its currently on has had time to rot. Windows 10 will be fine on a fresh install, its just less likely on a upgrade install, as it wont be able to undo all the abuse you've been giving it for 5 years.
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Do a full backup first (AOMEI is good, and free) Upgrade. Download ISO version. Reformat HDD and install from ISO. Reinstall software. Reload data from backup (AOMEI allows you to load a backup as a virtual drive, so you can do an image restore to get back to your Win 7 setup, or access just the files you want from the backup set) Don't try to miss any stages... :laugh: You will likely get some grief - the 7 -> 10 upgrade can be awkward - but provided you do a proper install after the upgrade you should be able to minimize them. Is it good? Well...a bit. It's uglier than Win 7, any old hardware may not have drivers and it's badly integrated. But it is the way forward unfortunately, so at some point you will have to move.
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Before you do anything, make sure your current system has been activated. Mine wasn't and I didn't realise it. I bought it installed on a new machine I had built and assumed it was pukka. When I tried to install the ISO, it wouldn't. I was then left with having to buy a legitimate copy just to get Win10 installed.
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Mail is a pile of poo - it doesn't event register itself properly as the mail application (because it's a "Metro" app and they don't play nice with desktop ones). So you can right click an image or file, and select "Send to...Mail recipient" and it does a total of nothing. "Forward to" seems to disappear on a regular basis as well... Install Windows Live Mail (from the Windows Essentials download pack) and you get a much better email client that works like Outlook Express used to, only better. Only gripe is that it doesn't show a tray icon for "new mail". Edge is IE for win 10 - run once, install something better, and then ignore it for ever more! :laugh:
Bad command or file name. Bad, bad command! Sit! Stay! Staaaay...
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I am just wondering something. In the threads below I am reading about people having disasterous times upgrading their machines to Win 10, and then someone replies that they had no problems at all. What is the relative age of the hardware of those with problems compared to those with no problems at all? I am betting the newer the hardware, the less problems being had. My machine is 5 years old and running Win 7. Should I attempt to upgrade? I am thinking not.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
I'm running a 7 year-old ACER laptop that started life with Windows Vista. I upgraded to Windows 7, and then to Windows 10. The only problem upgrading to 10 was a driver in my anti-virus package that needed an update, and my employer's VPN app no longer works. Both of these issues are the responsibility of the application creator and not Windows 10. I have a fairly spartan machine: Office, several versions of Visual Studio, Chrome, Thunderbird, and VirtualBox are my principal big-ticket applications. I don't run games or any apps with complex driver requirements. I've noticed through 30 years of Windows upgrades that the people who have the most problems are the ones who, for whatever reason, have a lot of complicated applications installed. Photoshop, DBMS's, non-Microsoft IDE's, and custom hardware to name a few. I don't think it's realistic to expect a pain-free upgrade in that case. It's probably more prudent to do a clean install and then re-install each application, one by one, and check your stability after each install. While it's painful, it's probably more productive to do it that way than searching for the proverbial needle in a haystack after an in-place upgrade.
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I don't know either, but I wouldn't take any chances until I read it on Microsofts site.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
It's true. I had an HP Win 7 computer sitting around that was all jacked up with viruses. I saw in one of the articles that you could download the iso. Went to the site and found Microsoft has a utility that will set up a thumb drive for you to do the installation. About 90 minutes later I had a full, clean install of Win 10 running on that machine using the HP Win 7 license. I should note that I had to change the boot order for some reason before it would allow me to choose the hard drive for installation.
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I am just wondering something. In the threads below I am reading about people having disasterous times upgrading their machines to Win 10, and then someone replies that they had no problems at all. What is the relative age of the hardware of those with problems compared to those with no problems at all? I am betting the newer the hardware, the less problems being had. My machine is 5 years old and running Win 7. Should I attempt to upgrade? I am thinking not.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
With a 5 year old computer. You are probable looking to upgrade in 2-3 years MAX. If there was EVER a reason to wait. You Found it!
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I am just wondering something. In the threads below I am reading about people having disasterous times upgrading their machines to Win 10, and then someone replies that they had no problems at all. What is the relative age of the hardware of those with problems compared to those with no problems at all? I am betting the newer the hardware, the less problems being had. My machine is 5 years old and running Win 7. Should I attempt to upgrade? I am thinking not.
Within you lies the power for good - Use it!
The only upgrade to Win 10 that I have done is on a VMWare Fusion VM running on a Mac mini (Late 2012). No problems whatsoever that I'm aware of, but then I've probably only spent an hour total using it since I upgraded in August, since I rarely have a use for Windows Desktop. I have both Windows Server 2008R2 and 2012 VM's that I run much more often since I need to be able to develop/test against Active Directory.
