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Iraki Army strength ?

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    Maximilien
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    Is there an real (or as real as possible) analysis of the Iraki army ? From what I've seen up to now, it doesn't look that impressive, most of the soldiers I've seen were badly dressed compared to US/UK ones, sporting old guns, no kevlar helmets and jackets ; even the republican army soldiers don't look that prepared either. since the 80's war with Iran, and the 91 war, and the 10 years embargo, I'm not that sure that they could rebuild something that is important; I haven't seen tanks or planes; only lighter infantry stuff, some anti-tank missiles might have been smuggled in, and the anti-air cannon haven't been effective in this war. and up to now, there hasn't been any chemical/bio/nuclear attacks, which were the real threat. Have you seen a site or document that discuss this ? Max.


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      Is there an real (or as real as possible) analysis of the Iraki army ? From what I've seen up to now, it doesn't look that impressive, most of the soldiers I've seen were badly dressed compared to US/UK ones, sporting old guns, no kevlar helmets and jackets ; even the republican army soldiers don't look that prepared either. since the 80's war with Iran, and the 91 war, and the 10 years embargo, I'm not that sure that they could rebuild something that is important; I haven't seen tanks or planes; only lighter infantry stuff, some anti-tank missiles might have been smuggled in, and the anti-air cannon haven't been effective in this war. and up to now, there hasn't been any chemical/bio/nuclear attacks, which were the real threat. Have you seen a site or document that discuss this ? Max.


      Maximilien Lincourt For success one must aquire one's self

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      Philip Fitzsimons
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      this looks like a trust worthy source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html[^] :-D:-D


      "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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        Is there an real (or as real as possible) analysis of the Iraki army ? From what I've seen up to now, it doesn't look that impressive, most of the soldiers I've seen were badly dressed compared to US/UK ones, sporting old guns, no kevlar helmets and jackets ; even the republican army soldiers don't look that prepared either. since the 80's war with Iran, and the 91 war, and the 10 years embargo, I'm not that sure that they could rebuild something that is important; I haven't seen tanks or planes; only lighter infantry stuff, some anti-tank missiles might have been smuggled in, and the anti-air cannon haven't been effective in this war. and up to now, there hasn't been any chemical/bio/nuclear attacks, which were the real threat. Have you seen a site or document that discuss this ? Max.


        Maximilien Lincourt For success one must aquire one's self

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        Jorgen Sigvardsson
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        The biggest asset of the Iraqi military are the chemical weapons. I mean, the rest is just rusty crap! The scuds couldn't hit a barn even if fired from the inside. Their tanks are rusty russian pile of junk. Their air force is a joke. All they got is quantity and a couple of VX cans. Saddam hasn't used any chemical weapons because that would show the world he was lying all the time. If he really does have chemical weapons, I'm sure he'll use it when he knows he'll be dead in a couple of hours/days. -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

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          this looks like a trust worthy source: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/iz.html[^] :-D:-D


          "When the only tool you have is a hammer, a sore thumb you will have."

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          Maximilien
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          I forgot about the CIA ... it's a nice place to go to once in a while ... it's really well made. But there's not real millitary info. Max.


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            Is there an real (or as real as possible) analysis of the Iraki army ? From what I've seen up to now, it doesn't look that impressive, most of the soldiers I've seen were badly dressed compared to US/UK ones, sporting old guns, no kevlar helmets and jackets ; even the republican army soldiers don't look that prepared either. since the 80's war with Iran, and the 91 war, and the 10 years embargo, I'm not that sure that they could rebuild something that is important; I haven't seen tanks or planes; only lighter infantry stuff, some anti-tank missiles might have been smuggled in, and the anti-air cannon haven't been effective in this war. and up to now, there hasn't been any chemical/bio/nuclear attacks, which were the real threat. Have you seen a site or document that discuss this ? Max.


            Maximilien Lincourt For success one must aquire one's self

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            ( See the "Iraqi Military Power" link in the upper right ) http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq.htm[^] The Iraqi equipment ( the models of tanks, planes, but no detail about their current fighting readiness ): Ground Forces[^] Air Force[^] ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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              ( See the "Iraqi Military Power" link in the upper right ) http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq.htm[^] The Iraqi equipment ( the models of tanks, planes, but no detail about their current fighting readiness ): Ground Forces[^] Air Force[^] ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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              Thanks! quote: (in 1991) It appears that the Soviet technique used by the Iraqis of digging their tanks in only leaving the turret exposed, was a primary cause of the loss of so many tanks. US weapons tended to work quite well at blowing the tops off the tanks. And when the U.S. tanks streamed around the front lines from the West, the buried tanks were unable to dig out and move quickly, thus defeating their purpose as a highly mobile high caliber gun.


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                ( See the "Iraqi Military Power" link in the upper right ) http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq.htm[^] The Iraqi equipment ( the models of tanks, planes, but no detail about their current fighting readiness ): Ground Forces[^] Air Force[^] ------------------------------------------ "What happened in that Rhode Island club is shocking. To think that over a hundred people would attend a Great White concert." - The Onion

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                Brit wrote: but no detail about their current fighting readiness ): It seems to me that their current fighting readiness is zero - zip -nada- none. Of course I may be overreacting to the biased news reports. Now maybe if uncle Saddam had bought a few less palaces and a few more modern tanks etc.. it would be different but unless the US or the UK was willing to sell him their frontline battle tanks i don't think it would make any difference. The newest Russian model ( don't remember the nomenclature ) is not a match for the M1A1 in speed and range and I think that the UK tank is even faster than the M1A1. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                  Brit wrote: but no detail about their current fighting readiness ): It seems to me that their current fighting readiness is zero - zip -nada- none. Of course I may be overreacting to the biased news reports. Now maybe if uncle Saddam had bought a few less palaces and a few more modern tanks etc.. it would be different but unless the US or the UK was willing to sell him their frontline battle tanks i don't think it would make any difference. The newest Russian model ( don't remember the nomenclature ) is not a match for the M1A1 in speed and range and I think that the UK tank is even faster than the M1A1. Richard In Italy for thirty years under the Borgias they had warfare, terror, murder and bloodshed but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love; they had five hundred years of democracy and peace and what did that produce? The cuckoo clock. Orson Welles

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                  Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                  IIRC, their tanks are mostly T-62's and T-72's. Highly unmodern, and quite uselss unless you have very large quantities of them. -- Tune your mind, reach inside, peel away Touch, Taste, Feel, Saturation

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                    Is there an real (or as real as possible) analysis of the Iraki army ? From what I've seen up to now, it doesn't look that impressive, most of the soldiers I've seen were badly dressed compared to US/UK ones, sporting old guns, no kevlar helmets and jackets ; even the republican army soldiers don't look that prepared either. since the 80's war with Iran, and the 91 war, and the 10 years embargo, I'm not that sure that they could rebuild something that is important; I haven't seen tanks or planes; only lighter infantry stuff, some anti-tank missiles might have been smuggled in, and the anti-air cannon haven't been effective in this war. and up to now, there hasn't been any chemical/bio/nuclear attacks, which were the real threat. Have you seen a site or document that discuss this ? Max.


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                    Prabhakar
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                    Maximilien wrote: hasn't been any chemical/bio/nuclear attacks You'll never see them I guess, its just the usual western propaganda, to test their newly built, highly sophisticated, satellite guided, undetectable, spectacularly exploding, civilian market busting innocent-killing weapons!! :laugh: Dont worry pal, we over estimated the Iraqi army that never exists!


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