DELL pulls Linux from its PCs
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Interesting story. Seems the hype about everyone wanting to move to Linux was, well, hype. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
i wanted to move to Linux. but i couldn't find a job there. -c ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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Interesting story. Seems the hype about everyone wanting to move to Linux was, well, hype. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
Well, I did install Mndrake Linux 7.2 on my second hard disk, and I am hardly impressed at all :| . Linux (the kernel) may be stable, but applications are not. KDE is a joke, GNOME is somewhat better, but far behind Windows 2K. Documentation is incomplete and out of date. Maybe, some day, Linux-based OS will be a good alternative to Microsoft, but right now I don't think so. BTW, any experience with BeOS? I've herad that this one is great. I vote pro drink X|
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Well, I did install Mndrake Linux 7.2 on my second hard disk, and I am hardly impressed at all :| . Linux (the kernel) may be stable, but applications are not. KDE is a joke, GNOME is somewhat better, but far behind Windows 2K. Documentation is incomplete and out of date. Maybe, some day, Linux-based OS will be a good alternative to Microsoft, but right now I don't think so. BTW, any experience with BeOS? I've herad that this one is great. I vote pro drink X|
BeOS would have been great if they ever finished it, but it never got off the ground. I worked on it (developing an app, actiually) for about 3 months; the development tools were a joke. Imagine a cross between Unix and the Atari ST; that was BeOS.
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Interesting story. Seems the hype about everyone wanting to move to Linux was, well, hype. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
Well, my 2 cents : What is the linux market ? In this sentence, there is MARKET, that is BUSINESS, and that means MONEY ! Linux is (!!!) free (well not exactly in real world). So to make money with linux you have to develop programs or service : so it is a B-to-B market place ! And there is some (a lot of)business: many internet application servers are linux based. For example IBM has his own Linux and his own application server (websphere) Sun play the same game and so on... Now, for a large audience, Linux is not as easy as Windows, there is no games (or a very few), there is a lack of application, ... so Windows rules ! and for a long time. One thing wich make me say that is that you can't suddenly change human habits. It take a long time, and I'm SURE that people don't want to learn a new OS ! They don't care. they don't want to spend time to learn something they don't need. So for us developpers, it is a good thing.:-D :-D . regards from fParis (FRANCE) Guy LECOMTE
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Well, my 2 cents : What is the linux market ? In this sentence, there is MARKET, that is BUSINESS, and that means MONEY ! Linux is (!!!) free (well not exactly in real world). So to make money with linux you have to develop programs or service : so it is a B-to-B market place ! And there is some (a lot of)business: many internet application servers are linux based. For example IBM has his own Linux and his own application server (websphere) Sun play the same game and so on... Now, for a large audience, Linux is not as easy as Windows, there is no games (or a very few), there is a lack of application, ... so Windows rules ! and for a long time. One thing wich make me say that is that you can't suddenly change human habits. It take a long time, and I'm SURE that people don't want to learn a new OS ! They don't care. they don't want to spend time to learn something they don't need. So for us developpers, it is a good thing.:-D :-D . regards from fParis (FRANCE) Guy LECOMTE
I thought the 'Go' game on the Corel distribution was nice....but it wasn't on Mandrake....sniff, sniff. I'm sure that Linux will be used to serve HTML pages, run CGI and Perl scripts, but I don't see it being a desktop OS anytime soon. The UI is fairly primative, and its not easy to install.....it took me about a week to get it to compile an simple "Hello World" application in both C and C++.....ick!
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Well, my 2 cents : What is the linux market ? In this sentence, there is MARKET, that is BUSINESS, and that means MONEY ! Linux is (!!!) free (well not exactly in real world). So to make money with linux you have to develop programs or service : so it is a B-to-B market place ! And there is some (a lot of)business: many internet application servers are linux based. For example IBM has his own Linux and his own application server (websphere) Sun play the same game and so on... Now, for a large audience, Linux is not as easy as Windows, there is no games (or a very few), there is a lack of application, ... so Windows rules ! and for a long time. One thing wich make me say that is that you can't suddenly change human habits. It take a long time, and I'm SURE that people don't want to learn a new OS ! They don't care. they don't want to spend time to learn something they don't need. So for us developpers, it is a good thing.:-D :-D . regards from fParis (FRANCE) Guy LECOMTE
OK guy, there is more to "markets" than simply business and industry... you're apparently saying that the only market for Linux seems to be B2B. That's just plain inaccurate -- there are the academic and scientific markets as well. The academic and scientific world uses almost completely UNIX and Linux etc. and it shoves Windows' face in the dirt for high-power performance. For example, thousands and thousands of processors make up the United States' ASCI machines, the most powerful computers in the world, and they are all UNIX- or Linux-based. :) Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart "And that's the news from Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, the men are good-looking, and the children are above-average." - Garrison Keillor
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Interesting story. Seems the hype about everyone wanting to move to Linux was, well, hype. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
There goes Red Hat's stock! Floooop! I'm glad I didn't go crazy and buy their stock when they first IPO'ed. Currently at $3.73 from a high of $28.00 in Sep. '00. Earnings/share at -0.58. Microsoft still going strong despite the economy and all of the bad press at $65.01. The execs at Red Hat that have been doing all of this Microsoft bashing saying they were going to take over the world with their OS when they IPO'ed can now put their worthless stock certificates to good use and wipe their tooshies.
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There goes Red Hat's stock! Floooop! I'm glad I didn't go crazy and buy their stock when they first IPO'ed. Currently at $3.73 from a high of $28.00 in Sep. '00. Earnings/share at -0.58. Microsoft still going strong despite the economy and all of the bad press at $65.01. The execs at Red Hat that have been doing all of this Microsoft bashing saying they were going to take over the world with their OS when they IPO'ed can now put their worthless stock certificates to good use and wipe their tooshies.
stock price != product value ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
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stock price != product value ------------------------------ Smaller Animals Software, Inc. http://www.smalleranimals.com
True, I agree and didn't mean to come across by quoting the stock prices that Linux is an inferior product. Red Hat's stock price isn't a reflection of the quality of their product, but instead is due to the usual reason why many companies fail: bad management and bad strategy. Attempting to copy Microsoft's earlier strategies and bundle the Linux OS with PCs from manufacturers isn't enough. It's often said that VCs (Venture Capitalists) will fund a company with an excellent management team and a second-tier product over a B management team with a first class product. It seems that Red Hat falls into the second category where they had a B management team with a first class product.
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Interesting story. Seems the hype about everyone wanting to move to Linux was, well, hype. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
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Interesting story. Seems the hype about everyone wanting to move to Linux was, well, hype. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
Have any of you tried Kylix, Borlands free (sort of, nothing is for free) Delphi clone for Linux... Looks good but I haven't tried it yet. Just downloaded it along with RedHat ... on a rainy day when I have nothing else to do I might even install it... Dont know why because everytime I install a new version of Linux I always get disapointed, but for some reason I download next version... studip or? I only use a non GUI linux as a webserver, because of ease of compability when I want to publish to the net. // Christian
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Just wait untill everyone will have to call M$ to activate their XP or upgrade to install the .Net. M$ is still on a wave, but they are trying hard to crash themselfes and one day it will happen...
I am interested to see what happens. However, if MS start losing money because of WPA, they will simply remove it and try some new licesning model. (2b || !2b)
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OK guy, there is more to "markets" than simply business and industry... you're apparently saying that the only market for Linux seems to be B2B. That's just plain inaccurate -- there are the academic and scientific markets as well. The academic and scientific world uses almost completely UNIX and Linux etc. and it shoves Windows' face in the dirt for high-power performance. For example, thousands and thousands of processors make up the United States' ASCI machines, the most powerful computers in the world, and they are all UNIX- or Linux-based. :) Sincerely Yours, Brian Hart "And that's the news from Lake Wobegon, where all the women are strong, the men are good-looking, and the children are above-average." - Garrison Keillor
Hello Brian, Well, you're true in a way but I've worked (my own company) on Scientific market 9 years, in Image analysis. There were (very) few Linux installed. Only in faculties. Not in labs. The academic market : academy is to prepare young people to real world. The real world is WINDOWS ! You can find some linux station but in specifics application fields. Maybe in US there is more Linux stations installed but not in Europa. Powerful computers : specific market, each maker has its own OS : ex: IBM (VMS,AIX), Digital (MVS, UNIX), SUN (Solaris UNIX), CRAY , WISE (UNIX), SGI (UNIX) ... CPU Networkx : often don't care about the end user OS. I think there will always be a place for a (sort of) linux system but the evolution of a product costs more and more and it will be difficult for linux to follow not-free products, even if it is a good product. Remember that : the market's law is not the best-product's law: it is the most-sold product law !(for examples, when Windows starts , it was awfully buggy, looked bad; both Nexstep from Steeve Job and Mac OS were better. But windows has been manymore sold !) regards Guy LECOMTE
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Hello Brian, Well, you're true in a way but I've worked (my own company) on Scientific market 9 years, in Image analysis. There were (very) few Linux installed. Only in faculties. Not in labs. The academic market : academy is to prepare young people to real world. The real world is WINDOWS ! You can find some linux station but in specifics application fields. Maybe in US there is more Linux stations installed but not in Europa. Powerful computers : specific market, each maker has its own OS : ex: IBM (VMS,AIX), Digital (MVS, UNIX), SUN (Solaris UNIX), CRAY , WISE (UNIX), SGI (UNIX) ... CPU Networkx : often don't care about the end user OS. I think there will always be a place for a (sort of) linux system but the evolution of a product costs more and more and it will be difficult for linux to follow not-free products, even if it is a good product. Remember that : the market's law is not the best-product's law: it is the most-sold product law !(for examples, when Windows starts , it was awfully buggy, looked bad; both Nexstep from Steeve Job and Mac OS were better. But windows has been manymore sold !) regards Guy LECOMTE
"The real world is WINDOWS"? Linux is already in the real world. Companies/organizations using Linux include Cisco, IBM, Boeing, Mercedes-Benz, DaimlerChrysler, the US Navy, the US Post Office, Re/Max Team Ideal Realty Inc., the New Jersey State Police, the US Senate Democratic Leadership, the Netherlands Office for Science & Technology, Banco BNL do Brasil S/A and the list goes on. ( http://www.m-tech.ab.ca/linux-biz/ ) Not to mention the special effects in the blockbuster movie Titanic as well as the animation in the hit movie Shrek. The penguins are here, they're doing serious work and they're not going to go away. C Morell
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Interesting story. Seems the hype about everyone wanting to move to Linux was, well, hype. cheers, Chris Maunder (CodeProject)
I don't have the time or inclination to mess with Linux, but I've been following Al Steven's journey in Dr. Dobbs - he dumped Windows about 6 months ago and is moving to Linux. It sounds like Linux has all the same problems as older versions of Windows (problems with component versions not matching up; a GUI sitting on top of a character-based OS; difficult installations; hardware incompatibilities; etc.) without any of the advantages (lots of software availablility, including top-notch development tools; good documentation; a market). Bottom line is that, after 6 months, the guy still has not gotten any work done; everytime he installs a new version of the OS, the compiler breaks. Or something like that. To top it off, based on the response he gets to questions in the Linux newsgroups, it sounds like the Linux crowd is infested with immature zealots who make the old Amiga wackos seem reasonable in comparison. In short, I can't see any reason for Linux to exist except for the fact that it is not from Microsoft. Well, maybe one other reason: those clowns who spent $11 million developing a file manager showed that there is money to be made from the hype, as long as there are gullible venture capitalists.
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"The real world is WINDOWS"? Linux is already in the real world. Companies/organizations using Linux include Cisco, IBM, Boeing, Mercedes-Benz, DaimlerChrysler, the US Navy, the US Post Office, Re/Max Team Ideal Realty Inc., the New Jersey State Police, the US Senate Democratic Leadership, the Netherlands Office for Science & Technology, Banco BNL do Brasil S/A and the list goes on. ( http://www.m-tech.ab.ca/linux-biz/ ) Not to mention the special effects in the blockbuster movie Titanic as well as the animation in the hit movie Shrek. The penguins are here, they're doing serious work and they're not going to go away. C Morell
OOPS ! What I mean when I say "real world" is end user world vs IT Engineer World. No offense. I'm not a Pro-Windows man but it seems that this OS rules !:eek: ;P regards GUY LECOMTE:-D
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I don't have the time or inclination to mess with Linux, but I've been following Al Steven's journey in Dr. Dobbs - he dumped Windows about 6 months ago and is moving to Linux. It sounds like Linux has all the same problems as older versions of Windows (problems with component versions not matching up; a GUI sitting on top of a character-based OS; difficult installations; hardware incompatibilities; etc.) without any of the advantages (lots of software availablility, including top-notch development tools; good documentation; a market). Bottom line is that, after 6 months, the guy still has not gotten any work done; everytime he installs a new version of the OS, the compiler breaks. Or something like that. To top it off, based on the response he gets to questions in the Linux newsgroups, it sounds like the Linux crowd is infested with immature zealots who make the old Amiga wackos seem reasonable in comparison. In short, I can't see any reason for Linux to exist except for the fact that it is not from Microsoft. Well, maybe one other reason: those clowns who spent $11 million developing a file manager showed that there is money to be made from the hype, as long as there are gullible venture capitalists.
> In short, I can't see any reason for Linux to exist except for the fact that it is not from Microsoft. Well, it does have it's place. But it will never have the mass user base like Windows. Most end-users just aren't going to have the technical skills to use a *nix OS. Nor, I would argue, should they have to. But it's main popularity right now comes directly from the fact that it's not Microsoft. Which is the main reason I stopped using it; being not somebody else just wasn't enough for me anymore. Craig Dodge A catchy signature should appear here.
